Can Silva Turn Things Around and Be Useful?

[soapy]

I'll take whatever Silva can give, for now.

 

Just have Marshall ready to step in if he reverts to his old self.

 

I think you mean Zambrano.

[Backtobanks]

He keeps getting the job done. How long do we wait to give Jimbo/Rothschild credit?

 

You should be banned for saying anything positive about Hendry even though the "trade" of Bradley for Silva plus Byrd has to be the most one-sided trade in decades.

 

through 5 weeks

 

Silva plus Byrd have won more games for the Cubs in 5 weeks than Bradley did all year.

[Backtobanks]

He keeps getting the job done. How long do we wait to give Jimbo/Rothschild credit?

 

You should be banned for saying anything positive about Hendry even though the "trade" of Bradley for Silva plus Byrd has to be the most one-sided trade in decades.

 

Lol you are a piece of work

 

I'm glad you understand my point of blaming Hendry for everything that's wrong, but not giving him credit for what turns out right.

[Keener98]

He keeps getting the job done. How long do we wait to give Jimbo/Rothschild credit?

 

You should be banned for saying anything positive about Hendry even though the "trade" of Bradley for Silva plus Byrd has to be the most one-sided trade in decades.

 

Lol you are a piece of work

 

I'm glad you understand my point of blaming Hendry for everything that's wrong, but not giving him credit for what turns out right.

 

Yea because nobody here has ever given credit for anything that Hendry has done right

[jersey cubs fan]

He keeps getting the job done. How long do we wait to give Jimbo/Rothschild credit?

 

You should be banned for saying anything positive about Hendry even though the "trade" of Bradley for Silva plus Byrd has to be the most one-sided trade in decades.

 

Lol you are a piece of work

 

I'm glad you understand my point of blaming Hendry for everything that's wrong, but not giving him credit for what turns out right.

 

It doesn't matter how right any individual trade was, the team is crap. GMs puts together a team, he's had 8 years to put them together, and in 8 years time the team is barely over .500. If Jim's teams won 90 games a year, there would be no reason to bash him. Unfortunately, they don't, because he sucks.

[Guest]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

Now appearing in the World Series, Jim Hendry's Milton Bradley/Carlos Silva trade vs. The Yankees!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm glad you understand my point of blaming Hendry for everything that's wrong, but not giving him credit for what turns out right.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day? Maybe over the long haul this turns out to be a good move, but you simply cannot deny the fact that this team is horribly constructed. Perhaps the level of mediocrity shown under Hendry's watch is acceptable if you have the resources of the '86 Expos, but this is perennially a top-tier payroll team.

[bukie]

I stand by my initial reaction of sell high.

[NCCubFan]

I don't give Hendry credit for getting a decent return on a player that should never have been signed in the first place. Maybe it somewhat mitigates the original mistake (signing Bradley), but it was still a mistake. To paraphrase Dennis Green, Bradley was who we THOUGHT he was.

[soapy]

If Silva continues like this all season (or even close) I'd be more than happy to give Hendry well deserved credit for the trade and pat him on the back...on his way out the door.

 

His overall track record is still very poor, and he doesn't really deserve to keep his job, regardless of this trade.

[ConstableRabbit]

If Silva continues like this all season (or even close) I'd be more than happy to give Hendry well deserved credit for the trade and pat him on the back...on his way out the door.

 

His overall track record is still very poor, and he doesn't really deserve to keep his job, regardless of this trade.

Yeah most of his trades have been pretty awesome (Pierre trade stands out as the one really bad one) but his free agent signings have been mostly dog [expletive]

[Guest]

If Silva continues like this all season (or even close) I'd be more than happy to give Hendry well deserved credit for the trade and pat him on the back...on his way out the door.

 

His overall track record is still very poor, and he doesn't really deserve to keep his job, regardless of this trade.

Yeah most of his trades have been pretty awesome (Pierre trade stands out as the one really bad one) but his free agent signings have been mostly dog [expletive]

 

Greg Maddux for Ceasar Izturis.

[haubrich91]

Eric Patterson and Matt Murton for Rich Harden.

 

Boy, that one bit us hard.

[Outshined_One]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

[CubColtPacer]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

 

The first Barrett trade is the first one that pops into my mind.

[dew1679666265]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

 

The first Barrett trade is the first one that pops into my mind.

 

The second Barrett trade that netted us Kyler Burke is looking quite nice too, but I wouldn't call it awesome.

[jersey cubs fan]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

 

How awesome is a trade when you get a half a season of use out of a guy?

 

 

And again, it really doesn't matter if he has awesome trades on his resume. He has to be judged by the wins and losses of the team over the 8 years he's been in charge, and in comparison to reasonable expectations, he's fallen way short. There's no good reason why the Cardinals should have averaged 6.5 more wins per season than the Cubs during his tenure.

[dew1679666265]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

 

How awesome is a trade when you get a half a season of use out of a guy?

 

The trade also got us Murton and, in turn, a piece for the Harden deal.

[dew1679666265]

And again, it really doesn't matter if he has awesome trades on his resume. He has to be judged by the wins and losses of the team over the 8 years he's been in charge, and in comparison to reasonable expectations, he's fallen way short. There's no good reason why the Cardinals should have averaged 6.5 more wins per season than the Cubs during his tenure.

 

Talking about the great trades Hendry had made doesn't have to mean that you're a fan of his. I don't see a problem with it.

[jersey cubs fan]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

 

How awesome is a trade when you get a half a season of use out of a guy?

 

The trade also got us Murton and, in turn, a piece for the Harden deal.

 

A guy who pitched 200 innings for the Cubs over 1.5 seasons and left for nothing. Not that I didn't want the guy, but how awesome can these deals be if all it does is create a team that wins 83 games a year?

[jersey cubs fan]

And again, it really doesn't matter if he has awesome trades on his resume. He has to be judged by the wins and losses of the team over the 8 years he's been in charge, and in comparison to reasonable expectations, he's fallen way short. There's no good reason why the Cardinals should have averaged 6.5 more wins per season than the Cubs during his tenure.

 

Talking about the great trades Hendry had made doesn't have to mean that you're a fan of his. I don't see a problem with it.

 

It's absurd. It's like talking about the great outings Shawn Estes had. Sure, he had a couple gems, but he sucked.

[dew1679666265]

How many awesome trades has Jim Hendry had? Off the top of my head, I can think of four or five that could qualify (Karros/Grudz, Ramirez/Lofton, Lee, Nomar, and Harden). Am I missing any?

 

How awesome is a trade when you get a half a season of use out of a guy?

 

The trade also got us Murton and, in turn, a piece for the Harden deal.

 

A guy who pitched 200 innings for the Cubs over 1.5 seasons and left for nothing. Not that I didn't want the guy, but how awesome can these deals be if all it does is create a team that wins 83 games a year?

 

They can be plenty awesome. A few great trades doesn't make a great team, but they also shouldn't be dismissed or ignored. And that guy who pitched 200 innings for us also posted a 1.77 ERA and a 0.97 WHIP in a year that we made the playoffs and we gave up Murton, a utility guy and a Single A prospect for him.

[dew1679666265]

And again, it really doesn't matter if he has awesome trades on his resume. He has to be judged by the wins and losses of the team over the 8 years he's been in charge, and in comparison to reasonable expectations, he's fallen way short. There's no good reason why the Cardinals should have averaged 6.5 more wins per season than the Cubs during his tenure.

 

Talking about the great trades Hendry had made doesn't have to mean that you're a fan of his. I don't see a problem with it.

 

It's absurd. It's like talking about the great outings Shawn Estes had. Sure, he had a couple gems, but he sucked.

 

So if a player, coach or executive isn't good overall you can't discuss the good points about him? That doesn't make much sense. Hendry hasn't been good overall, but I see no reason why we should be forbidden from discussing some of the good things he's done.

[jersey cubs fan]

And again, it really doesn't matter if he has awesome trades on his resume. He has to be judged by the wins and losses of the team over the 8 years he's been in charge, and in comparison to reasonable expectations, he's fallen way short. There's no good reason why the Cardinals should have averaged 6.5 more wins per season than the Cubs during his tenure.

 

Talking about the great trades Hendry had made doesn't have to mean that you're a fan of his. I don't see a problem with it.

 

It's absurd. It's like talking about the great outings Shawn Estes had. Sure, he had a couple gems, but he sucked.

 

So if a player, coach or executive isn't good overall you can't discuss the good points about him? That doesn't make much sense. Hendry hasn't been good overall, but I see no reason why we should be forbidden from discussing some of the good things he's done.

 

I see no reason why I can't point out how stupid it is to focus on a couple individual deals when the big picture is so much more informative.

[Guest]

Backtobanks aside, no one in the thread was trying to use a list of good trades to justify Hendry's performance. They were just trying to come up with the good deals he's made.