Re: Fontenot, Baker, Hill, Gorz and Guz all sign

[BeerHere]

Fontenot $1 million

Baker $975,000

Hill $700,000

Gorzelanny $800,000

Guzman $825,000

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4839318

[Cubswin11]

All pretty reasonable, what type line do Fontenot/Baker need to put up to get $3m production out of our 2B platoon this year?

[Splendid Splinter]

Take it as you want...

 

but CHONE has Baker worth 5.3 mil in 2010 with a line of .255/.320/.421 with exactly average D...

 

CHONE has Fontenot with 6.1 mil with a line of .260/.329/.397 with better D than Baker...

 

Another way is that Fontenot was worth 1.8 mil last year so it shouldnt take much to get 3 mil production from those 2.

 

not saying those $ value should be taking seriously but just something to put out there...

[Cubswin11]

Theriot- Asked For: $3.4m Offered: $2.6m

Marmol- Asked For: $2.5m Offered: $1.75m

Marshall- Asked For: $1.175m Offered: $800k

 

 

http://www.baseball-iq.com/2010/01/19/arbitration-figures-exchanged

[davell]

Glad we got those 5 signed. Seems like fairly team friendly deals for all as well. We have heard rumblings that Marmol could be the first guy to go to arb under Hendry's regime, but his asking price and what the Cubs offered doesn't seem like it's too much to overcome and honestly I don't see that 2.5 is ALL that much for him anyway. Marshall should settle in at around a mill or so and that's a very fair price for him too......

 

On the other hand......Theriot asking for 3.4? I can't even truly comprehend that the Cubs OFFERED him 2.6 to start out with. Andre freaking Ethier only got 3.1 as a 1st year arb guy last year and while I understand that it's a different position, I think Theriot is asking for too much here. Settling at 2.6 would have been a tad high if you ask me. I wish we would have traded him while he had value, because after this season, with what he'll be getting his other two arb years, he'll have extremely little to zero value, just as Tim said in his article.....

[Cubswin11]

I wouldn't be upset at all if Hendry would try and extend Marmol 3-4 years. If he's just asking for $2.5m this year, I would think a 3-4 year deal in the $12-18m range would be fair. Agreed with Theriot once he starts approaching $4m his value diminishes quickly and next year Hendry should really look into moving him in the offseason as Castro could be ready and Theriot will certainly be looking for a $4-6m deal.

[CUBZ99]

Glad we got those 5 signed. Seems like fairly team friendly deals for all as well. We have heard rumblings that Marmol could be the first guy to go to arb under Hendry's regime, but his asking price and what the Cubs offered doesn't seem like it's too much to overcome and honestly I don't see that 2.5 is ALL that much for him anyway. Marshall should settle in at around a mill or so and that's a very fair price for him too......

 

On the other hand......Theriot asking for 3.4? I can't even truly comprehend that the Cubs OFFERED him 2.6 to start out with. Andre freaking Ethier only got 3.1 as a 1st year arb guy last year and while I understand that it's a different position, I think Theriot is asking for too much here. Settling at 2.6 would have been a tad high if you ask me. I wish we would have traded him while he had value, because after this season, with what he'll be getting his other two arb years, he'll have extremely little to zero value, just as Tim said in his article.....

 

Yeah, 3.4 is ridiculous. I like Theriot, but I'm all for trading him this year if Castro is close to ready.

[PrimeTime]

Theriot wants that much? LOL...Anything over 1 mil for him is overpaying.

[Rob]

I don't like that his pay will be starting out this high in his first year of arbitration, but let's not fool ourselves... he's certainly worth this much.

[davell]

I don't like that his pay will be starting out this high in his first year of arbitration, but let's not fool ourselves... he's certainly worth this much.

 

While I guess I can agree that's he's technically worth it, is he actually worth it to us? Between Castro, Blanco, and Barney, I think we could piece together a SS this year that could conceivably be as valuable or possibly even moreso than Theriot. What kind of value does Blanco's defense have if he puts up a pedestrian line of .250/.300/.340? Would that make him as valuable as Theriot at that point? I don't want to rush Castro, so he would actually be my third option in this scenario with the idea he'll go into 2011 as our everyday SS, after having some major league at bats in September......Barney isn't flashy, by any means, but has a better glove than Theriot and it's conceivable anyway that he could put up offensive numbers at least close to what Theriot does......

 

I understand we're a major market team and don't want to go into the season with a total unknown and that all 3 of these guys would be question marks for us, but I think the odds would be on our side that at least one of them could duplicate Theriot's value in 2010. My guess is most mid to low market teams WOULD have traded Theriot this offseason actually, especially if they're trying to find money for other things, which it seems we're doing right now as it is.......

 

Bottom line for me is this, I guess: We know what we have with Theriot and he WILL be worth the money this year. But, I think we could have saved THIS money, went with a different approach, spent it on something else(which obviously could have been spent on something else we DID NOT need, so for all we know it could be a blessing we didn't go down this route) and came out ahead, assuming the money was spent wisely. Like money going towards keeping Harden, signing Sheets or Bedard, or maybe Hudson on a short term deal......

 

At any rate, considering Stephen Drew just settled for 3.4 in his first year of arb, I hope Hendry forgets about his perfect record of not going to arbitration, because if Hendry sticks to his guns here, he's going to win at 2.6.......

[wvcbxl]

At any rate, considering Stephen Drew just settled for 3.4 in his first year of arb, I hope Hendry forgets about his perfect record of not going to arbitration, because if Hendry sticks to his guns here, he's going to win at 2.6.......

 

The rise of Castro makes Theriot tradeable (or even expendable) after this season; that in itself should incite Hendry not to compromise too much on the 2.6 (and damned be that "perfect" record)

[Old Style]

Even if the Cubs win an arb hearing with Riot he will be overpaid.

[Sammy Sofa]

Given the potential high quality depth the Cubs (shockingly) have in their farm system, Theriot is most certinaly not worth that much money, especially with how tight money is at the moment.

[Guancous]

I don't think Theriot is overpaid compared to the average shortstop. Now, it would be foolish for the Cubs to keep him around with Castro and Hak-Ju Lee up and coming. Yuniesky Betancourt is due $4 million next year and $3.1 million this year.

[ISUCubsFan]

I don't really mind paying Theriot $2.6M this year. He's probably the best option at SS to start the season. If/when Castro comes up he might be expendable, but I don't want to rely on a 19 year old as the only good option at a position. Next year is a different story of course.

[Rob]

Bottom line for me is this, I guess: We know what we have with Theriot and he WILL be worth the money this year. But, I think we could have saved THIS money, went with a different approach, spent it on something else(which obviously could have been spent on something else we DID NOT need, so for all we know it could be a blessing we didn't go down this route) and came out ahead, assuming the money was spent wisely. Like money going towards keeping Harden, signing Sheets or Bedard, or maybe Hudson on a short term deal......

 

Well that's a completely different argument than what I said, but I'm not going to disagree with you.

[Post Count Padder]

I honestly don't mind Theriot at that much. It's not a big deal to me. If Castro has a solid year at AA and AAA, then just let Theriot go next year or trade him during the year if that's necessary.

[TruffleShuffle]

Theriot wants that much? LOL...Anything over 1 mil for him is overpaying.

 

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[Backtobanks]

I don't really mind paying Theriot $2.6M this year. He's probably the best option at SS to start the season. If/when Castro comes up he might be expendable, but I don't want to rely on a 19 year old as the only good option at a position. Next year is a different story of course.

 

For all of the Theriot bashing here, I agree that we ought to wait to see if and when Castro (or Lee) is ready before we talk about dumping Theriot. These two look good, but they're still only prospects with no ML track record.

[Tim M]

The Theriot bashing on this board is so ridiculous.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's not ridiculous enough.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Theriot bashing on this board is so ridiculous.

 

The mods should really step in.

[Rob]

The Theriot bashing on this board is so ridiculous.

 

The mods should really step in.

 

The mods here are a joke.

[mopapa]

I love Theriot, he's my favorite current Cub, but methinks he's been bitten by the greed-bug. He made $500,000 last year, and the Cubs are offering him, what, like a 500% salary increase?! Please! Sign the deal, play your butt off, and be grateful.

[Rob]

I love Theriot, he's my favorite current Cub, but methinks he's been bitten by the greed-bug. He made $500,000 last year, and the Cubs are offering him, what, like a 500% salary increase?! Please! Sign the deal, play your butt off, and be grateful.

 

It's not about greed, it's just the way the system works. Players have absolutely no leverage whatsoever on their contracts for the first three years of major league service time and so are vastly underpaid compared to their market value. Hell, he's still being vastly underpaid compared to his market value.