Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[SpongeWorthy]

I would give up a 2nd for him in a heartbeat. He won't get a Marshall like return or contract I don't think.

[rawaction]

It's interesting we are thinking about going after him. I'm not sure how they would fit that proposed contract in though.

 

I'd like to have him, but I also hate sitting on the sidelines every draft because we traded away every high pick.

 

It's not even that for me. If you told me the Bears are going to make a Jay Cutler like move and get an affordable young superstar in the making and never pick in the 1st 2 rounds again, I'd be fine with it (generically speaking). But a move for Jackson would be falling into the Cubs trap of spending big money and failing to continue to infuse young talent in to get better.

 

Woah what? Jackson won't turn 28 till after this season is over, so if you trade for him and sign him to a 5 yr deal you get him for ages 27-32. We are talking about a guy who averages over 17 yards per catch. Yea hes never been the 100 catch reciever like some other guys in the league but hes gradually progressed his catches every year in the league from 41 to 59, and to 68 this past year. Hes played on a San Diego offense that hasn't lacked talent and that spreads the ball around pretty good.

 

With this organizations history of developing offensive guys, Id have no problem giving up a 2nd round pick for Jackson. I think you guys are severely underestimating him here.

 

The Bears have not had a problem developing offensive talent. They've had a problem developing QBs.

 

28 is when Jackson will get the big pay day. 28 is when NFL players typically start the decline. And I agree with everything you said about Jackson. He's great. He's a wonderful player, I would love to have him. But I don't want him that much to trade another early pick (haven't picked in top 70 in 2 years) and to pay him like he is one of those 100 catch WRs.

[Banedon]

With this organizations history of developing offensive guys, Id have no problem giving up a 2nd round pick for Jackson. I think you guys are severely underestimating him here.

 

How about two 2nd round picks?

[SpongeWorthy]

It's interesting we are thinking about going after him. I'm not sure how they would fit that proposed contract in though.

 

I'd like to have him, but I also hate sitting on the sidelines every draft because we traded away every high pick.

 

It's not even that for me. If you told me the Bears are going to make a Jay Cutler like move and get an affordable young superstar in the making and never pick in the 1st 2 rounds again, I'd be fine with it (generically speaking). But a move for Jackson would be falling into the Cubs trap of spending big money and failing to continue to infuse young talent in to get better.

 

Woah what? Jackson won't turn 28 till after this season is over, so if you trade for him and sign him to a 5 yr deal you get him for ages 27-32. We are talking about a guy who averages over 17 yards per catch. Yea hes never been the 100 catch reciever like some other guys in the league but hes gradually progressed his catches every year in the league from 41 to 59, and to 68 this past year. Hes played on a San Diego offense that hasn't lacked talent and that spreads the ball around pretty good.

 

With this organizations history of developing offensive guys, Id have no problem giving up a 2nd round pick for Jackson. I think you guys are severely underestimating him here.

 

The Bears have not had a problem developing offensive talent. They've had a problem developing QBs.

 

28 is when Jackson will get the big pay day. 28 is when NFL players typically start the decline. And I agree with everything you said about Jackson. He's great. He's a wonderful player, I would love to have him. But I don't want him that much to trade another early pick (haven't picked in top 70 in 2 years) and to pay him like he is one of those 100 catch WRs.

 

No one is looking at the collection of Bears non-QB offensive talent from the last two decades or so in awe. As a rough measure how many Bears skill players have even made the Pro Bowl? I can't remember any.

[jersey cubs fan]

No one is looking at the collection of Bears non-QB offensive talent from the last two decades or so in awe. As a rough measure how many Bears skill players have even made the Pro Bowl? I can't remember any.

 

It's hard to get offensive players into a pro bowl without a QB (not to mention an offensive line).

[SpongeWorthy]

Sure. But our skill players have generally been bad.

 

Who did anything of significance on other teams? Jones and Benson. Engram had a nice little career. Conway was ok. MRob was a flash in the pan. Booker was productive. There's not elite talent there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sure. But our skill players have generally been bad.

 

Who did anything of significance on other teams? Jones and Benson. Engram had a nice little career. Conway was ok. MRob was a flash in the pan. Booker was productive. There's not elite talent there.

 

Berrian has been pretty good.

[SpongeWorthy]

Without looking it up I'm pretty sure that Berrian's best years were on the Bears and now he's way behind Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe, and Peterson on the pecking order.

[Magnetic Curses]

It's interesting we are thinking about going after him. I'm not sure how they would fit that proposed contract in though.

 

I'd like to have him, but I also hate sitting on the sidelines every draft because we traded away every high pick.

 

It's not even that for me. If you told me the Bears are going to make a Jay Cutler like move and get an affordable young superstar in the making and never pick in the 1st 2 rounds again, I'd be fine with it (generically speaking). But a move for Jackson would be falling into the Cubs trap of spending big money and failing to continue to infuse young talent in to get better.

 

Woah what? Jackson won't turn 28 till after this season is over, so if you trade for him and sign him to a 5 yr deal you get him for ages 27-32. We are talking about a guy who averages over 17 yards per catch. Yea hes never been the 100 catch reciever like some other guys in the league but hes gradually progressed his catches every year in the league from 41 to 59, and to 68 this past year. Hes played on a San Diego offense that hasn't lacked talent and that spreads the ball around pretty good.

 

With this organizations history of developing offensive guys, Id have no problem giving up a 2nd round pick for Jackson. I think you guys are severely underestimating him here.

 

The Bears have not had a problem developing offensive talent. They've had a problem developing QBs.

 

28 is when Jackson will get the big pay day. 28 is when NFL players typically start the decline. And I agree with everything you said about Jackson. He's great. He's a wonderful player, I would love to have him. But I don't want him that much to trade another early pick (haven't picked in top 70 in 2 years) and to pay him like he is one of those 100 catch WRs.

 

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

[SpongeWorthy]

Probably depends on how good of shape they keep themselves in. Jackson's not known as the hardest worker around and hes kind of a knucklehead.

[Magnetic Curses]

Probably depends on how good of shape they keep themselves in. Jackson's not known as the hardest worker around and hes kind of a knucklehead.

 

i say this in the straightest possible way, the man is an adonis.

[jersey cubs fan]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

[hawkeyecub]

Without looking it up I'm pretty sure that Berrian's best years were on the Bears and now he's way behind Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe, and Peterson on the pecking order.

 

He set his career best for yards, yards per catch and TD's in his first season with the Vikings. Last year he had the second most receptions of his career.

 

I'm not sure how he's "way behind" those guys. He was targeted the same amount of times as Percy and 13 times more than Shank. Putting a RB in there doesn't really make sense anyways. He was also dealing with a hamstring that limited him all year.

[SpongeWorthy]

Well he's definitely behind Rice and Harvin's going to get more and more touches if he can stay healthy. Shiancoe was extremely productive for a TE. Berrian's a 4th receiving option on that team, IMO.

[Magnetic Curses]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

 

if you take out every receiver over 30 that had a good season, i admit, it skews pretty young.

[Banedon]

The Trib says the Bears aren't after Jackson...

 

A source familiar with the Bears' thinking told the Tribune on Wednesday the team has no plans to pursue a trade for Jackson at this time. Strings attached to Jackson -- compensation and a new contract -- are factors the Bears do not want to burden themselves with a month before training camp.

[jersey cubs fan]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

 

if you take out every receiver over 30 that had a good season, i admit, it skews pretty young.

 

I'm reading it differently than you. With the exception of Rice and Harrison, that list is dominated by younger receivers.

[apete6]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

 

if you take out every receiver over 30 that had a good season, i admit, it skews pretty young.

 

I'm reading it differently than you. With the exception of Rice and Harrison, that list is dominated by younger receivers.

 

I don't know about you guys but the fact that Marcus Robinson had the 59th best receiving yardage season of all time is still pretty mind boggling to me. Especially when you consider that the QBs were Shane Matthews, Cade McNown and Jim Miller.

[dew1679666265]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

 

if you take out every receiver over 30 that had a good season, i admit, it skews pretty young.

 

Average age of the top 30 receivers on that list is 27. Not sure if that means anything, but I thought it was interesting.

[Banedon]

Vincent Jackson was suspended for the first 3 games of the season for violating the conduct policy (a couple DUI's).

 

Another reason to not be all that keen on trading for him.

[Guest]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

 

if you take out every receiver over 30 that had a good season, i admit, it skews pretty young.

 

Average age of the top 30 receivers on that list is 27. Not sure if that means anything, but I thought it was interesting.

haven't even looked at the list, but statistically speaking, the median would be more relevant.

[Guest]

I've talked to several people in SD about Jackson. The consensus is that while he's a good to very good WR, he's not elite. He's benefitted a lot from having one of the all time great TE's running down the center of the field and keeping the safeties inside. They say that VJ probably gets more single coverage than any other upper-tier WR in football.

 

None of them were sorry to see him go. Too much money and too much VJ being about VJ in their eyes.

 

No idea how accurate that is, but food for thought.

[Soul]

I didn't buy that the Bears were going to throw around big money again this year, anyway.

[dew1679666265]

do NFL receivers really start to decline at 28? i can see it with running backs but with receivers?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

 

This list skews pretty young, with the exception of a couple all time greats who show up repeatedly and played for heavy duty passing teams.

 

if you take out every receiver over 30 that had a good season, i admit, it skews pretty young.

 

Average age of the top 30 receivers on that list is 27. Not sure if that means anything, but I thought it was interesting.

haven't even looked at the list, but statistically speaking, the median would be more relevant.

 

Yeah, I believe you're right, but the list (which is about 240 or so guys long) is not sortable by age and I didn't feel like listing it all out myself. So I took the quick way of averaging the first 30 guys.

[Jon]

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but Bears tickets go on sale a week earlier this year on Saturday, July 17.