Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[Derwood]

Turner>Martz considering what types of players the Bears have. I wish they would have kept him now.

 

You're kidding, right?

 

Wilson is the Voice of Reason of pro football

[cardinalsfan]

Here is Mike Martz's offense playbook.

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2945347/2000-Rams-Martz-Offense

[Magnetic Curses]

espn still insisting that martz was the OC for the niners in 09.

[Banedon]

Colt's secondary coach Alan Wilson is interested in the Bears DC job...

 

From media day....

 

"If they call and if that happens, when that time comes, it'll be neat to explore the opportunity," Williams said. "My time will come."

[rawaction]

Colt's secondary coach Alan Wilson is interested in the Bears DC job...

 

From media day....

 

"If they call and if that happens, when that time comes, it'll be neat to explore the opportunity," Williams said. "My time will come."

 

Yes, this needs to happen. Obviously a Dungy guy, which fits into Lovie's scheme. But also had amazing success with the Colts' DBs, with 3 of the 4 starters (including a former defensive MVP) missing at least 1/2 of the season. Exactly the type of coach the Bears should be hiring, especially if they are going to stick with the same scheme.

[tfarks]

Colt's secondary coach Alan Wilson is interested in the Bears DC job...

 

From media day....

 

"If they call and if that happens, when that time comes, it'll be neat to explore the opportunity," Williams said. "My time will come."

 

Yes, this needs to happen. Obviously a Dungy guy, which fits into Lovie's scheme. But also had amazing success with the Colts' DBs, with 3 of the 4 starters (including a former defensive MVP) missing at least 1/2 of the season. Exactly the type of coach the Bears should be hiring, especially if they are going to stick with the same scheme.

 

That does sound like a good hire. Besides the fact that he says neat.

[tfarks]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=4881901

 

DeBord new TE coach. Was with Seattle the last 2 years.

[E.J.]

Mike DeBord, the person behind the "run left" offensive scheme for University of Michigan. UM had 3 plays while he was offensive coordinator. Run to the left was two of those plays. Thankfully, he's just coaching the tight ends.

[Formerly Snayke]

I watched every single Rams game that Mike Martz was a part of and I'll tell you straight up that if the players can withstand his harsh words and soak in the playbook they will be successful.

 

He can be very mean to players. Tony Dungy he is not. Receivers have to be intelligent. The idea that Martz only won because of three HOF skill players is absurd. Shaun McDonald, Kevin Curtis and Mike Furrey were all productive in the Martz system. His detractors will also say that he doesn't know how to utilize tight ends, but that's also flat wrong.

 

I will definitely be paying more attention to the Bears this season.

[rawaction]

I watched every single Rams game that Mike Martz was a part of and I'll tell you straight up that if the players can withstand his harsh words and soak in the playbook they will be successful.

 

He can be very mean to players. Tony Dungy he is not. Receivers have to be intelligent. The idea that Martz only won because of three HOF skill players is absurd. Shaun McDonald, Kevin Curtis and Mike Furrey were all productive in the Martz system. His detractors will also say that he doesn't know how to utilize tight ends, but that's also flat wrong.

 

I will definitely be paying more attention to the Bears this season.

 

I don't buy the TE thing either. The only TE he had with any talent whatsoever was a young Vernon Davis, who was by all accounts a knucklehead until Singletary set him straight just last year.

[Formerly Snayke]

Roland Williams was a pretty useful TE. He caught six touchdown passes for the Rams in '99. Bears fans should know off the bat that Martz can get anyone involved in the offense.

[sneakypower]

Martz made Jon Kitna think he was capable of wining 10 games

 

talk about your motivational guy

[DivineBovine]

Listening to BB yesterday, why do I waste my time? They are so over the top negative about the Martz hiring, yes, one of the success factors of his offense is the WR being in the right place at the right time. Given this, they make it sound as if the Bears WR are invalids incapable of learning or improving hence, Martz shouldn't even bother showing up. Yes, BB, every WR who isn't a Bear was born as superior route runner, etc. and there isn't even the remotest chance the Bears' WR will improve.

 

 

I'm also pretty sick of hearing it about the Bears WRs being so terrible. The team must be so unlucky not to have had a good WR for 20 years, when the Colts seem to get so lucky with WR's all the time. Whomever they draft seems to turn to a stud. Geez. What terrible luck and terrible scouting the Bears have had. And man, that Colts GM must be amazing.

 

I love how these so called football experts, many of whom have never played anything beyond nerf touch football, are so quick to point out how the Bears WR's can't run routes, don't make good reads, etc. etc.

 

Let's see what happens. I know that coaching is pretty damn important in football. If Ron Turner was the fool that many people think he is (and his record supports this), then the offense should get much better this year.

[Soul]

Trent Green was just on the SCORE saying Mike Martz is wonderful to work with and is the perfect match for Cutler.

 

I'll take the opinion of the guy who actually worked with him over pseudo-experts who never played football, thanks.

[gflore34]

Listening to BB yesterday, why do I waste my time? They are so over the top negative about the Martz hiring, yes, one of the success factors of his offense is the WR being in the right place at the right time. Given this, they make it sound as if the Bears WR are invalids incapable of learning or improving hence, Martz shouldn't even bother showing up. Yes, BB, every WR who isn't a Bear was born as superior route runner, etc. and there isn't even the remotest chance the Bears' WR will improve.

 

 

I'm also pretty sick of hearing it about the Bears WRs being so terrible. The team must be so unlucky not to have had a good WR for 20 years, when the Colts seem to get so lucky with WR's all the time. Whomever they draft seems to turn to a stud. Geez. What terrible luck and terrible scouting the Bears have had. And man, that Colts GM must be amazing.

 

I love how these so called football experts, many of whom have never played anything beyond nerf touch football, are so quick to point out how the Bears WR's can't run routes, don't make good reads, etc. etc.

 

Let's see what happens. I know that coaching is pretty damn important in football. If Ron Turner was the fool that many people think he is (and his record supports this), then the offense should get much better this year.

 

Exactly, give Martz a chance and as Soul has recently pointed out Trent Green, a former player, suggests Martz will be good fit for Cutler and the offense. I'll put more stock in Green' speculation than B&B with their pre-conceived notions about the stupidity of Bennett, Hester, Knox, etc.

[Soul]

As I mentioned before also, Dick Vermeil said the guy is amazing.

 

Look, he has a reputation for being tough on people who don't work hard. Sometimes that rubs people the wrong way. Know what? TOO BAD. Get your work done and there won't be any reason for him to ride your ass.

[RedFlash]

As I mentioned before also, Dick Vermeil said the guy is amazing.

 

Look, he has a reputation for being tough on people who don't work hard. Sometimes that rubs people the wrong way. Know what? TOO BAD. Get your work done and there won't be any reason for him to ride your ass.

 

Kurt Warner also spoke highly of Mike Martz. Troy Aikman, and Jon Kitna has came out in support of Martz. Really the only guy I've seen or read that has try to discredit Martz has been Charley Armey, the Rams former GM.

 

I'm not over thrilled with the move, but it'e becoming clear that having a mentally tough coach like Martz might be benefically for Cutler.

[Banedon]

Hester was a guest on "The Waddle and Silvy Show" on ESPN Radio in Chicago Thursday and told the hosts that while he was happy to do whatever the coaching staff asked of him, he'd like to resume his role as the team's lead kickoff returner.

 

"I know what I'm best at," Hester said. "The return game is my bread and butter, so if I had to cut back on my receiving and go back to returning, that's something I would love to do."

[NCCubFan]

Look, he has a reputation for being tough on people who don't work hard. Sometimes that rubs people the wrong way. Know what? TOO BAD. Get your work done and there won't be any reason for him to ride your ass.

Exactly. To me that's a good thing, not a bad thing. If laziness is tolerated laziness is what you'll get.

[UMFan83]

If anyone cares, NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Bears/Colts Super Bowl in its entirety (I think). It like started 40 minutes ago.

[NCCubFan]

If anyone cares, NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Bears/Colts Super Bowl in its entirety (I think). It like started 40 minutes ago.

The NFL Network Super Bowl telecasts are in their entirety. I'm recording it tonight so I can suffer through it again tomorrow night.

[UMFan83]

If anyone cares, NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Bears/Colts Super Bowl in its entirety (I think). It like started 40 minutes ago.

The NFL Network Super Bowl telecasts are in their entirety. I'm recording it tonight so I can suffer through it again tomorrow night.

 

Yeah I don't know why I put myself through that. It's probably because I watched the game at a bar and never going to hear commentary and get the full "Bears in the Super Bowl" experience that I get when I watch other SB's at home or at a friends house. It was cool to watch and realize that the Bears were actually in this huge event that half the world watches and is a huge spectacle. In any event, the first quarter was fun to watch...the rest not so much.

[tfarks]

If anyone cares, NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Bears/Colts Super Bowl in its entirety (I think). It like started 40 minutes ago.

The NFL Network Super Bowl telecasts are in their entirety. I'm recording it tonight so I can suffer through it again tomorrow night.

 

Yeah I don't know why I put myself through that. It's probably because I watched the game at a bar and never going to hear commentary and get the full "Bears in the Super Bowl" experience that I get when I watch other SB's at home or at a friends house. It was cool to watch and realize that the Bears were actually in this huge event that half the world watches and is a huge spectacle. In any event, the first quarter was fun to watch...the rest not so much.

 

Been watching the Colts since 95', when I was only like 10. I was born in Chicago and my parents grew up there, so the Bears were always my #1 team. It was cool to see them both make it, at least this time around I don't have to cheer against the Colts. The first year they decide to not choke in the playoffs is when the Bears made it of course.

[Soul]

If anyone cares, NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Bears/Colts Super Bowl in its entirety (I think). It like started 40 minutes ago.

The NFL Network Super Bowl telecasts are in their entirety. I'm recording it tonight so I can suffer through it again tomorrow night.

 

Yeah I don't know why I put myself through that. It's probably because I watched the game at a bar and never going to hear commentary and get the full "Bears in the Super Bowl" experience that I get when I watch other SB's at home or at a friends house. It was cool to watch and realize that the Bears were actually in this huge event that half the world watches and is a huge spectacle. In any event, the first quarter was fun to watch...the rest not so much.

 

I've noticed the Colts do that in alot of their games. If you look at it, that Super Bowl was much like many others for the Colts. The opposing team comes out looking good, then they look at what that team is doing, make some adjustments, and eventually just take over. Sunday might very well end up being the same thing.

[UMFan83]

If anyone cares, NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Bears/Colts Super Bowl in its entirety (I think). It like started 40 minutes ago.

The NFL Network Super Bowl telecasts are in their entirety. I'm recording it tonight so I can suffer through it again tomorrow night.

 

Yeah I don't know why I put myself through that. It's probably because I watched the game at a bar and never going to hear commentary and get the full "Bears in the Super Bowl" experience that I get when I watch other SB's at home or at a friends house. It was cool to watch and realize that the Bears were actually in this huge event that half the world watches and is a huge spectacle. In any event, the first quarter was fun to watch...the rest not so much.

 

I've noticed the Colts do that in alot of their games. If you look at it, that Super Bowl was much like many others for the Colts. The opposing team comes out looking good, then they look at what that team is doing, make some adjustments, and eventually just take over. Sunday might very well end up being the same thing.

 

Yeah that makes sense and now that you mention it, I've seen that too from them. Although the only bad things the Colts really did in the game was allow a kickoff return TD to one of the best KR ever at his peak, throw an interception, and allow a long run from Thomas Jones. Other than that, they really clamped down. Granted, the Bears did enough to stay in the game until the end by using their own 'bend but don't break' style, but it was clearly the Colts night.

 

One thing that bugs me is that the Bears gave up on the run too easily. IIRC, the Colts had an embarrassingly bad run D during the regular season, and although they had improved in the playoffs, it was still a weakness. Thomas Jones had 15 carries for 112 yards in the game (7.5 YPC). The Bears were down just one score until midway through the 4th quarter, and that was on a Grossman pick 6. They had ample opportunity to run, and should have especially considering the conditions. 17 rushes to 28 for the game. Oh well.