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Haven't seen this posted, and IIRC, the search function is no good as of the moment.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594

 

Marlon Byrd, free agent: Coming off a career-high 20-homer, 89-RBI season, he is expected to be targeted by the Cubs, who could reunite him with Rudy Jaramillo, his hitting coach from the Rangers.

 

He was brought up in another thread. I hope the Cubs stay away from Byrd.

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All I know about Marlon Byrd is that the Cubs offered Murton for him a while back and the Rangers said no.

 

They asked for Gallagher and Murton for him.... probably hoping to get us to settle on just Gallagher.

 

I'd pass on him, for the record. His defensive stats are all over the map, but I'd assume he's a slightly below average CF, especially if over a full season. And he just barely manages an .800 OPS in Arlington. There are better uses of the money he'll likely command.

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I realize a lot of it's sarcastic, but I don't see the problem some people have with Byrd. The guy's averaged 2.8 WAR the past 3 years, which if you trust fangraphs makes him about a 12 million dollar a year guy. And I believe MLB.com said that the deal he's looking for is expected to only be about 3/24. I think too many people think of him from his pre-Texas days, he's been a legitimately good player each of the last 3 years, and is most likely looking at a contract that undervalues him. I mean he shouldn't be Plan A, but he would help the Cubs.
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In his three years in Texas since breaking out, his home/road OPS splits are .900 at home and .742 OPS away. .742 isn't terrible, but it's not spectacular either. He plays subpar defense in center, and he's going to cost way too much in terms of players we'd send back. We'd be overpaying for someone who simply just isn't that special. We'd be better off keeping Bradley
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I wouldn't mind Byrd, he seems like a better DeRosa

 

This can't be what you meant.

 

Let me clarify:

 

When the Cubs got DeRosa from Texas he was 32, coming off 97/108 OPS+ seasons. Byrd is going to be 32 coming from Texas, with OPS+ seasons of 112/121/106. The big difference (other than position) are Byrd's splits. If there really is someting to that, then it may be a problem. Just meant the signing would remind me of the DeRosa one at the time and Byrd seems better now than DeRosa then.

 

Another big difference may be that DeRosa turned into a real solid OB guy here.

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In his three years in Texas since breaking out, his home/road OPS splits are .900 at home and .742 OPS away. .742 isn't terrible, but it's not spectacular either. He plays subpar defense in center, and he's going to cost way too much in terms of players we'd send back. We'd be overpaying for someone who simply just isn't that special. We'd be better off keeping Bradley

 

I agree with you on the Bradley thing, but that's simply not going to happen. I think when talking about this winter we need to just assume he's gone. Whether or not that's the right move is a completely different debate.

 

As far as Byrd goes, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. Defensively, he has a good reputation, and according to UZR he's almost exactly average, with a -6 last year, +5.9 in 08, and a +.3 in 2007At worst he's probably a little above average, which considering he would allow us to move Fukudome to RF he would still give us a pretty good net gain in the outfield defensively. And he's a type B FA, so there is no cost in players for him.

 

As for Home/Road splits, I think those might be a minor issue, but nothing huge. First off, there's generally a gap in guys with regards to home/road splits. For instance, in 2009 the average MLB player hit .267/.340/.429 at home and .258/.326/.406 away. Also, Wrigley Field is a pretty damn good hitters park too, so there shouldn't be much of a dropoff going from Texas to Wrigley.

 

I mean he's not a guy to go "Oh my God it's Marlon Byrd!" But he's a pretty good player that can probably be gotten relatively inexpensively.

 

Edit: I meant at worst he's a little below average, my bad.

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In his three years in Texas since breaking out, his home/road OPS splits are .900 at home and .742 OPS away. .742 isn't terrible, but it's not spectacular either. He plays subpar defense in center, and he's going to cost way too much in terms of players we'd send back. We'd be overpaying for someone who simply just isn't that special. We'd be better off keeping Bradley

 

I agree with you on the Bradley thing, but that's simply not going to happen. I think when talking about this winter we need to just assume he's gone. Whether or not that's the right move is a completely different debate.

 

As far as Byrd goes, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. Defensively, he has a good reputation, and according to UZR he's almost exactly average, with a -6 last year, +5.9 in 08, and a +.3 in 2007At worst he's probably a little above average, which considering he would allow us to move Fukudome to RF he would still give us a pretty good net gain in the outfield defensively. And he's a type B FA, so there is no cost in players for him.

 

As for Home/Road splits, I think those might be a minor issue, but nothing huge. First off, there's generally a gap in guys with regards to home/road splits. For instance, in 2009 the average MLB player hit .267/.340/.429 at home and .258/.326/.406 away. Also, Wrigley Field is a pretty damn good hitters park too, so there shouldn't be much of a dropoff going from Texas to Wrigley.

 

I mean he's not a guy to go "Oh my God it's Marlon Byrd!" But he's a pretty good player that can probably be gotten relatively inexpensively.

 

When a guy plays in Texas and has huge splits, it's an issue. If we got Byrd I think we could expect like a .750 OPS.

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In his three years in Texas since breaking out, his home/road OPS splits are .900 at home and .742 OPS away. .742 isn't terrible, but it's not spectacular either. He plays subpar defense in center, and he's going to cost way too much in terms of players we'd send back. We'd be overpaying for someone who simply just isn't that special. We'd be better off keeping Bradley

 

I agree with you on the Bradley thing, but that's simply not going to happen. I think when talking about this winter we need to just assume he's gone. Whether or not that's the right move is a completely different debate.

 

As far as Byrd goes, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. Defensively, he has a good reputation, and according to UZR he's almost exactly average, with a -6 last year, +5.9 in 08, and a +.3 in 2007At worst he's probably a little above average, which considering he would allow us to move Fukudome to RF he would still give us a pretty good net gain in the outfield defensively. And he's a type B FA, so there is no cost in players for him.

 

As for Home/Road splits, I think those might be a minor issue, but nothing huge. First off, there's generally a gap in guys with regards to home/road splits. For instance, in 2009 the average MLB player hit .267/.340/.429 at home and .258/.326/.406 away. Also, Wrigley Field is a pretty damn good hitters park too, so there shouldn't be much of a dropoff going from Texas to Wrigley.

 

I mean he's not a guy to go "Oh my God it's Marlon Byrd!" But he's a pretty good player that can probably be gotten relatively inexpensively.

 

When a guy plays in Texas and has huge splits, it's an issue. If we got Byrd I think we could expect like a .750 OPS.

 

Arlington kind of has Coors syndrome, where home/road splits are more pronounced because the other parks in the division heavily favor pitchers. I think you guys are putting more stock into home/road splits than you really ought to.

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In his three years in Texas since breaking out, his home/road OPS splits are .900 at home and .742 OPS away. .742 isn't terrible, but it's not spectacular either. He plays subpar defense in center, and he's going to cost way too much in terms of players we'd send back. We'd be overpaying for someone who simply just isn't that special. We'd be better off keeping Bradley

 

I agree with you on the Bradley thing, but that's simply not going to happen. I think when talking about this winter we need to just assume he's gone. Whether or not that's the right move is a completely different debate.

 

As far as Byrd goes, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. Defensively, he has a good reputation, and according to UZR he's almost exactly average, with a -6 last year, +5.9 in 08, and a +.3 in 2007At worst he's probably a little above average, which considering he would allow us to move Fukudome to RF he would still give us a pretty good net gain in the outfield defensively. And he's a type B FA, so there is no cost in players for him.

 

As for Home/Road splits, I think those might be a minor issue, but nothing huge. First off, there's generally a gap in guys with regards to home/road splits. For instance, in 2009 the average MLB player hit .267/.340/.429 at home and .258/.326/.406 away. Also, Wrigley Field is a pretty damn good hitters park too, so there shouldn't be much of a dropoff going from Texas to Wrigley.

 

I mean he's not a guy to go "Oh my God it's Marlon Byrd!" But he's a pretty good player that can probably be gotten relatively inexpensively.

 

When a guy plays in Texas and has huge splits, it's an issue. If we got Byrd I think we could expect like a .750 OPS.

 

Arlington kind of has Coors syndrome, where home/road splits are more pronounced because the other parks in the division heavily favor pitchers.

 

that's a good point.

 

ok .780

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In his three years in Texas since breaking out, his home/road OPS splits are .900 at home and .742 OPS away. .742 isn't terrible, but it's not spectacular either. He plays subpar defense in center, and he's going to cost way too much in terms of players we'd send back. We'd be overpaying for someone who simply just isn't that special. We'd be better off keeping Bradley

 

I agree with you on the Bradley thing, but that's simply not going to happen. I think when talking about this winter we need to just assume he's gone. Whether or not that's the right move is a completely different debate.

 

As far as Byrd goes, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. Defensively, he has a good reputation, and according to UZR he's almost exactly average, with a -6 last year, +5.9 in 08, and a +.3 in 2007At worst he's probably a little above average, which considering he would allow us to move Fukudome to RF he would still give us a pretty good net gain in the outfield defensively. And he's a type B FA, so there is no cost in players for him.

 

As for Home/Road splits, I think those might be a minor issue, but nothing huge. First off, there's generally a gap in guys with regards to home/road splits. For instance, in 2009 the average MLB player hit .267/.340/.429 at home and .258/.326/.406 away. Also, Wrigley Field is a pretty damn good hitters park too, so there shouldn't be much of a dropoff going from Texas to Wrigley.

 

I mean he's not a guy to go "Oh my God it's Marlon Byrd!" But he's a pretty good player that can probably be gotten relatively inexpensively.

 

When a guy plays in Texas and has huge splits, it's an issue. If we got Byrd I think we could expect like a .750 OPS.

 

Arlington kind of has Coors syndrome, where home/road splits are more pronounced because the other parks in the division heavily favor pitchers.

 

that's a good point.

 

ok .780

 

.780 plus we get to keep Castro, Vitters, etc. ain't bad.

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