Milton Bradley Traded To Mariners For Carlos Silva

[Cubswin11]

Will Caroroll of Baseball Prospectus tweets

Cubs signing of Mike Cameron is waiting on deal of Milton Bradley, which has been "imminent" for about 72 hours.

 

 

[E.J.]

We are so gonna get fleeced on the Bradley deal. You can just feel it.

[Rob]

We are so gonna get fleeced on the Bradley deal. You can just feel it.

 

I keep getting the feeling we're going to trade for Burrell and get hosed both there and when we have to flip him.

[davell]

We are so gonna get fleeced on the Bradley deal. You can just feel it.

 

I keep getting the feeling we're going to trade for Burrell and get hosed both there and when we have to flip him.

 

 

My guess is this: Bradley to Tampa for Burrell.......We pay for Burrell's deal and send Tampa 7 mill. Making it 2-14 for Tampa with Bradley, as far as what they are responsible for.

 

Eventually, after Holliday, Bay, and others sign, we send Burrell and one of our young bullpen guys to New York for Castillo. We send them a mill in that deal too, to help offset the salaries this season.

 

And unfortunately, I think I'm taking about the BEST scenario out there. If Hendry does better than this, I'll be surprised.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Is Burrells defense really any worse than Floyd and Ward were a few years ago? I figure if we were able to make it with 2 guys who were essentially DHs in 2007, we could live with 1 this year, and hed be a great bat off the bench, especially now that Fox and probably Reed are gone and were left without a right handed option off the bench. I say if we make this trade, keep Burrell and let Baker play 2nd with Theriot as short and Blanco as the utility MI.

[inari]

I'm confused as to who the second DH in 2007 was. The rest of the outfield was pretty strong defensively.

[Bull]

I'm confused as to who the second DH in 2007 was. The rest of the outfield was pretty strong defensively.

 

Not sure, but I don't think he was making commentary on defense. I think he was calling Fox and Reed primarily PH's. Or maybe he was saying Hoffpauir and Fox were primarily PH's.

 

Actually, I have no idea what he meant.

[davearm2]

We are so gonna get fleeced on the Bradley deal. You can just feel it.

That feeling's been there for the last 2 months.

[PrimeTime]

Roto

 

According to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat, the Rangers are open to bringing back Milton Bradley but aren't sure they want to deal with "that headache."

In other words, they're not willing to depart with any substantial talent and certainly won't be willing to take on the $21 million remaining on Bradley's current contract. The Cubs are expected to step up their efforts to move the disgruntled outfielder at this week's Winter Meetings.

[Tim M]

Would Burrell really be all that bad? He was terrible last year but he had been very good in his career up until 2009. At the very least he could start against lefties and be a power bat off the bench.

[Guest]

Roto

 

According to MLB.com's Carrie Muskat, the Rangers are open to bringing back Milton Bradley but aren't sure they want to deal with "that headache."

In other words, they're not willing to depart with any substantial talent and certainly won't be willing to take on the $21 million remaining on Bradley's current contract. The Cubs are expected to step up their efforts to move the disgruntled outfielder at this week's Winter Meetings.

 

Translated: We'll take Bradley back if Hendry is willing to pay almost all of his contract and will take back an Aaron Miles type of crappy backup middle infielder in return.

 

Jim's lack of bargaining power is already rearing its ugly head, but that's probably not news to most of us.

[Illini Iceman]

I'm confused as to who the second DH in 2007 was. The rest of the outfield was pretty strong defensively.

 

Not sure, but I don't think he was making commentary on defense. I think he was calling Fox and Reed primarily PH's. Or maybe he was saying Hoffpauir and Fox were primarily PH's.

 

Actually, I have no idea what he meant.

 

It is pretty obvious he is talking about Floyd and Ward. The fact that they both rarely if ever played at the same time hurts the point of his argument a bit but I don't think it is too hard to figure out that is who he was referring to since he mentioned them in his first sentence.

[Guest]

Would Burrell really be all that bad? He was terrible last year but he had been very good in his career up until 2009. At the very least he could start against lefties and be a power bat off the bench.

 

You do realize that Pat Burrell has 7 innings of major league experience in RF, right? And you probably also know that Burrell basically took off playing any defense at all for the entire 2009 baseball season. The Cubs outfield defense would be the absolute worst in baseball with Burrell, Fukudome and Soriano out there.

 

And that's ignoring how horrible he was at the plate last year, which is probably exacerbated by the fact he wasn't playing the field and he was facing a lot of pitchers he probably hasn't seen before. But, that's not really the type of player you should be wooing to play for your team when you had a whole lot of other underachievers in your line up card.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm confused as to who the second DH in 2007 was. The rest of the outfield was pretty strong defensively.

 

Not sure, but I don't think he was making commentary on defense. I think he was calling Fox and Reed primarily PH's. Or maybe he was saying Hoffpauir and Fox were primarily PH's.

 

Actually, I have no idea what he meant.

 

It is pretty obvious he is talking about Floyd and Ward. The fact that they both rarely if ever played at the same time hurts the point of his argument a bit but I don't think it is too hard to figure out that is who he was referring to since he mentioned them in his first sentence.

 

Ward and Floyd is correct. They were both on the 2007 team, and neither were much good with the glove. My arguement is if we had 2 guys like that on the 2007 team, we could live with 1, Burrell next year if we were to get him for Bradley and sign Cameron.

[17 Seconds]

If we sign Cameron, then where the hell does Burrell even play? Not that it's a decent option anyways.

 

And Burrell would be worse than both of those guys in RF.

[RedFlash]

If we sign Cameron, then where the hell does Burrell even play? Not that it's a decent option anyways.

 

And Burrell would be worse than both of those guys in RF.

 

I think the idea would be for the Cubs to flip Burrell to the Mets for Castillo. Like the Cubs with wanting to trade Bradley then sign Cameron, then Mets want to trade Castillo to sign Orlando Hudson.

[17 Seconds]

If we sign Cameron, then where the hell does Burrell even play? Not that it's a decent option anyways.

 

And Burrell would be worse than both of those guys in RF.

 

I think the idea would be for the Cubs to flip Burrell to the Mets for Castillo. Like the Cubs with wanting to trade Bradley then sign Cameron, then Mets want to trade Castillo to sign Orlando Hudson.

 

that's not wsr's plan though. he wants to keep burrell

[RedFlash]

If we sign Cameron, then where the hell does Burrell even play? Not that it's a decent option anyways.

 

And Burrell would be worse than both of those guys in RF.

 

I think the idea would be for the Cubs to flip Burrell to the Mets for Castillo. Like the Cubs with wanting to trade Bradley then sign Cameron, then Mets want to trade Castillo to sign Orlando Hudson.

 

that's not wsr's plan though. he wants to keep burrell

 

Maybe he was thinking the Cubs have a softball team that could use Burrell, because if WSR is think he could be a bench player/power bat off the bench, then why the hell trade Jake Fox then? The only way I see the Cubs trading for Burrell is if they intend to flip him, otherwise there is no point in acquiring Burrell.

[CubColtPacer]

If we sign Cameron, then where the hell does Burrell even play? Not that it's a decent option anyways.

 

And Burrell would be worse than both of those guys in RF.

 

I think the idea would be for the Cubs to flip Burrell to the Mets for Castillo. Like the Cubs with wanting to trade Bradley then sign Cameron, then Mets want to trade Castillo to sign Orlando Hudson.

 

that's not wsr's plan though. he wants to keep burrell

 

Burrell would platoon with Fukudome in RF, be the power RH bat off the bench, and be a starter if any of the 3 OF's got hurt (since Fukudome could slide over if Cameron went down).

 

Burrell would be a nice backup plan in case Soriano went down for a decent part of the season again. He'd be a horribly overpaid platoon player (and the Cubs would probably need to carry a 5th OF as a defensive replacement for him) but he'd have a role on the team. Even if the Cubs sign Cameron, they have to find a platoon partner for Fukudome somewhere.

[17 Seconds]

I'm not sure I'd want Burrell in RF over Kosuke even against lefties.

[RedFlash]

Burrell would platoon with Fukudome in RF, be the power RH bat off the bench, and be a starter if any of the 3 OF's got hurt (since Fukudome could slide over if Cameron went down).

 

Burrell would be a nice backup plan in case Soriano went down for a decent part of the season again. He'd be a horribly overpaid platoon player (and the Cubs would probably need to carry a 5th OF as a defensive replacement for him) but he'd have a role on the team. Even if the Cubs sign Cameron, they have to find a platoon partner for Fukudome somewhere.

 

That's not good use of money, tho. It's bad enough to pay Grabow about 3.5 per, but to pay a platoon player/big bat off the bench $9 mill is incredile stupid, considering we had someone similar at literally a fraction of the cost. I doubt the Cubs would acquire Burrell to keep.

[17 Seconds]

Burrell would platoon with Fukudome in RF, be the power RH bat off the bench, and be a starter if any of the 3 OF's got hurt (since Fukudome could slide over if Cameron went down).

 

Burrell would be a nice backup plan in case Soriano went down for a decent part of the season again. He'd be a horribly overpaid platoon player (and the Cubs would probably need to carry a 5th OF as a defensive replacement for him) but he'd have a role on the team. Even if the Cubs sign Cameron, they have to find a platoon partner for Fukudome somewhere.

 

That's not good use of money, tho.

 

Any contract the Cubs are forced to take back in the Bradley deal won't be a good use of money. It won't be a good use of money if the Cubs have to eat a bunch of the salary either. One of those 2 things is going to happen though, so it's all about picking the least crappy option right now.

[RedFlash]

Any contract the Cubs are forced to take back in the Bradley deal won't be a good use of money. It won't be a good use of money if the Cubs have to eat a bunch of the salary either. One of those 2 things is going to happen though, so it's all about picking the least crappy option right now.

 

Agreed. it depends do you want Burrell for the year or Castillo at 2 years. I look at these two as the only options for the Cubs (blaming Hendry is a topic for another day) and IMO I much rather have Castillo. Last year Burrell was so bad, I called him the "Aaron Miles of DHs" as he had the lowest OPS of any DH with 200 at-bats, whereas Castillo was serviceable at 2B.

[Schwarber Fan]

8:48am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the "Rays are growing less hopeful of swapping Burrell to the Cubs."

[Ballgame64]

8:48am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the "Rays are growing less hopeful of swapping Burrell to the Cubs."

 

I would assume this mean Hendry can't find a taker for Burrell. Or maybe the third team that has been mentioned is a better trade partner. I can dream right?

Edited December 7, 2009 by Ballgame64