9/3 White Sox (Torres) @ Cubs (Dempster) 1:20 CT WGN

[siuc1996]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

[inari]

 

Agree to disagree I suppose.

 

I mean, you can agree to disagree if you want, but you're definitely wrong. Most everyone here would be very unlikely to go 1-25. The only hope many of us would have would be drawing walks or guessing the exact location for a straight fastball or changeup. I guarantee the vast majority of people here would be struck out on three pitches literally every time by major league breaking pitches.

 

There is no way of proving this, so therefore how can I be wrong? Its a matter of opinion and my opinion is that most everyone here could go 1 for 25.

 

That's simply a copout. It's my opinion I'd break the all time home run record in a year if given the chance. Prove me wrong.

 

Fact is, if most people could go 1-25 against major league pitching, there'd be a lot more people capable of playing professional baseball.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

 

As far as sheer embarasment, there have been many moments, but I cant think of any as bad as the 2008 playoffs, especially since it followed the 2007 playoffs

[illiniguy]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

 

As far as sheer embarasment, there have been many moments, but I cant think of any as bad as the 2008 playoffs, especially since it followed the 2007 playoffs

2008 was probably the best year we will ever have. A lot of Cubs fans were born and died without seeing a team that was as good as our team was last year. If you want to let 3 games ruin that. Well, that's on you.

[Pushfrog98]

my brother emailed with the subject of "How to properly end a game you have no possible chance of (or desire to) winning:"

 

and it only included this image:

http://jms2k.com/junk/sorryahole.gif

[Little Slide Rooter]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

 

As far as sheer embarasment, there have been many moments, but I cant think of any as bad as the 2008 playoffs, especially since it followed the 2007 playoffs

2008 was probably the best year we will ever have. A lot of Cubs fans were born and died without seeing a team that was as good as our team was last year. If you want to let 3 games ruin that. Well, that's on you.

 

It was an amazing season, and will probably never be duplicated in our lifetime, which is what made it all the more embarasing when they fell flat on their face. Believe me, I enjoyed every moment of that season, but that made in sting even worse when October happened.

[Little Slide Rooter]

my brother emailed with the subject of "How to properly end a game you have no possible chance of (or desire to) winning:"

 

and it only included this image:

http://jms2k.com/junk/sorryahole.gif

 

thank you for my new sig.

Edited September 3, 2009 by Little Slide Rooter

[siuc1996]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

 

As far as sheer embarasment, there have been many moments, but I cant think of any as bad as the 2008 playoffs, especially since it followed the 2007 playoffs

 

Good point. And I never thought it could get any lower than the 2003 NLCS Game 6.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

 

There are so many better examples than 2008 or 2009. 2005/2006 come to mind as obvious examples. But the vast majority of the 90's fits in there as well. Not to mention both follow up seasons to the two 80's bright spots. At least this year they are probably going to finish above .500 and be in a position to contend next year with some moves. There was almost no reason to follow the Cubs from 1990-1997. The most noteworthy things from those teams was they made Ryno the highest paid player in baseball for about a week, Ryno quit, Ryno came back and then he sucked and quit again. Since 98 they've been pouring money into the team every year and providing hope, and some more meaningful bright spots. But pre-98 was abysmal.

[Andy]

Miles's season OPS is now .451 after today's failure to get on base.

[CubbieBum]

my brother emailed with the subject of "How to properly end a game you have no possible chance of (or desire to) winning:"

 

and it only included this image:

http://jms2k.com/junk/sorryahole.gif

 

thank you for my new sig.

 

Is there really an image there that for some reason I just don't have the plugin for or something. I see nothing kind of like what the Cubs did today.

 

edit: Ok this is weird. I see the image in my reply but not in the original messages.

[CubbieBum]

Miles's season OPS is now .451 after today's failure to get on base.

 

I think he may actually be better off just going up there and swinging as hard as he can with his eyes closed every pitch.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I've never been more ashamed to be a Cubs fan than I am right now.

 

You must have only been a Cubs fan since last November then.

 

May 1972 when I took my first breath. At least that team last year actually made the playoffs before crapping themselves.

 

There are so many better examples than 2008 or 2009. 2005/2006 come to mind as obvious examples. But the vast majority of the 90's fits in there as well. Not to mention both follow up seasons to the two 80's bright spots. At least this year they are probably going to finish above .500 and be in a position to contend next year with some moves. There was almost no reason to follow the Cubs from 1990-1997. The most noteworthy things from those teams was they made Ryno the highest paid player in baseball for about a week, Ryno quit, Ryno came back and then he sucked and quit again. Since 98 they've been pouring money into the team every year and providing hope, and some more meaningful bright spots. But pre-98 was abysmal.

 

Most of the 80's-90's, we were bad and we knew it. Cubs fans were still Cubs fans, but we didnt have the expectations. We were in baseball hell as far as championship droughts, but we had company with the Red Sox and White Sox. I wans t embarassed back then. I watched the game to watch the game. If they won, great, if not oh well. The past few years, weve had a big pay roll and teams built to win. You cant deny, as Cubs fans, we were pretty damn cocky last year, and then that happened. I didnt want to look any of my non Cub fan friends in the eye for weeks.

[SouthSideRyan]

I didnt want to look any of my non Cub fan friends in the eye for weeks.

 

That's kinda weird.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I didnt want to look any of my non Cub fan friends in the eye for weeks.

 

That's kinda weird.

 

figure of speech.

 

I dont have that many non Cubs fans anyway. 2 friedns that are Sox fans, and a bunch of Brewer fan friends from college, but they really have nothing to say about anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

Most of the 80's-90's, we were bad and we knew it. Cubs fans were still Cubs fans, but we didnt have the expectations. We were in baseball hell as far as championship droughts, but we had company with the Red Sox and White Sox. I wans t embarassed back then. I watched the game to watch the game. If they won, great, if not oh well. The past few years, weve had a big pay roll and teams built to win. You cant deny, as Cubs fans, we were pretty damn cocky last year, and then that happened. I didnt want to look any of my non Cub fan friends in the eye for weeks.

 

They were a good baseball team that lost in the playoffs. The teams I talked about were an embarrassment by spring training. If I was going to be ashamed to be a Cubs fan, it was in the 90-97 timeframe. A) I was young enough to maybe be so irrational that I would be ashamed of being a Cubs fan, B) They were an embarrassing and god awful team.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Most of the 80's-90's, we were bad and we knew it. Cubs fans were still Cubs fans, but we didnt have the expectations. We were in baseball hell as far as championship droughts, but we had company with the Red Sox and White Sox. I wans t embarassed back then. I watched the game to watch the game. If they won, great, if not oh well. The past few years, weve had a big pay roll and teams built to win. You cant deny, as Cubs fans, we were pretty damn cocky last year, and then that happened. I didnt want to look any of my non Cub fan friends in the eye for weeks.

 

They were a good baseball team that lost in the playoffs. The teams I talked about were an embarrassment by spring training. If I was going to be ashamed to be a Cubs fan, it was in the 90-97 timeframe. A) I was young enough to maybe be so irrational that I would be ashamed of being a Cubs fan, B) They were an embarrassing and god awful team.

 

this. When I was younger, I didnt think in terms of palyoffs. Not even stats. I just assumed the big name players/fan favorites like Sandberg, Dunston, Dawson, Grace were the good players no matter what. I didnt follow stats as a kid, and never paid attention to what kind of hot or cold streaks the team or players were on. If Andre Dawson came to bat, Id automatically expect something good to happen. If not, he'll get em next time. I wish I still had that frame of mind, but its gone forever.

[JonJayCutler]

 

Agree to disagree I suppose.

 

I mean, you can agree to disagree if you want, but you're definitely wrong. Most everyone here would be very unlikely to go 1-25. The only hope many of us would have would be drawing walks or guessing the exact location for a straight fastball or changeup. I guarantee the vast majority of people here would be struck out on three pitches literally every time by major league breaking pitches.

 

There is no way of proving this, so therefore how can I be wrong? Its a matter of opinion and my opinion is that most everyone here could go 1 for 25.

 

That's simply a copout. It's my opinion I'd break the all time home run record in a year if given the chance. Prove me wrong.

 

Fact is, if most people could go 1-25 against major league pitching, there'd be a lot more people capable of playing professional baseball.

 

You breaking the all-time home run record in a year is not reasonable at all. Prove to me how a non-professional baseball player registering one hit in 25 major league ABs is unreasonable. Also, I don't see how getting one lucky hit in 25 ABs means someone can play professional baseball, thats an .040 batting avg. By the way, I blame this discussion on Aaron Miles.

[CubbieBum]

 

Agree to disagree I suppose.

 

I mean, you can agree to disagree if you want, but you're definitely wrong. Most everyone here would be very unlikely to go 1-25. The only hope many of us would have would be drawing walks or guessing the exact location for a straight fastball or changeup. I guarantee the vast majority of people here would be struck out on three pitches literally every time by major league breaking pitches.

 

There is no way of proving this, so therefore how can I be wrong? Its a matter of opinion and my opinion is that most everyone here could go 1 for 25.

 

That's simply a copout. It's my opinion I'd break the all time home run record in a year if given the chance. Prove me wrong.

 

Fact is, if most people could go 1-25 against major league pitching, there'd be a lot more people capable of playing professional baseball.

 

You breaking the all-time home run record in a year is not reasonable at all. Prove to me how a non-professional baseball player registering one hit in 25 major league ABs is unreasonable. Also, I don't see how getting one lucky hit in 25 ABs means someone can play professional baseball, thats an .040 batting avg. By the way, I blame this discussion on Aaron Miles.

 

I don't think a large majority of people could. Most people can't react and swing the bat fast enough to catch up to a 90+ MPH fastball. Then there's the curve or slider that almost noone would be able to hit. Most people struggle with the 79 MPH batting cage speed and major league curve aren't much slower and major league sliders are normally faster than that.

[JonJayCutler]

Okay let me clarify, I'm talking about luck here. If you swing at every pitch, assuming the pitcher pitches you like a normal major league hitter and doesn't know you're going to swing everytime, I do tend to think most could luck into a hit.

[JonJayCutler]

Actually, why am I still talking about this? Who the hell cares.