Rich Hill with Baltimore

[inari]

I hadn't looked at how he'd been doing and I hadn't heard a thing discussed here. I knew he started out well, and I figured he might still be doing okay. Not so much...

 

55.1 IP

1.825 WHIP

45:37 K:BB

7.64 ERA

 

Ouch. Sorry Rich.

[Prizefight]

I hadn't looked at how he'd been doing and I hadn't heard a thing discussed here. I knew he started out well, and I figured he might still be doing okay. Not so much...

 

55.1 IP

1.825 WHIP

45:37 K:BB

7.64 ERA

 

Ouch. Sorry Rich.

 

Crazy. I can't believe it's all still some sort of a mental block with him, but who knows?

 

What might have been if he progressed like we all thought he would

[SouthSideRyan]

My shersey just keeps losing value.

[C.C.]

Ouch is right...

 

That's terrible.

[17 Seconds]

i feel bad for him. he finally put it together and was lights out at the end of 06, had a great 2007, and then when it looks like he finally figured it out and is going to have a nice career, it all falls apart. don't forget this is his career. he's losing a lot of money every time he gets wrecked.

[rocket]

take THAT, abuck

[Brian]

2.1 IP, 4H, 3ER, 3BB, 1K today

[Jehrico]

My shersey just keeps losing value.

That's easy...just pawn it off as a Bobby Hill jersey to someone who doesn't know better.

 

er...wait...

[Sammy Sofa]

I wonder if they'll attempt to convert him to a LOOGY. Seems like the only option at this point.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wonder if they'll attempt to convert him to a LOOGY. Seems like the only option at this point.

one of those o's stands for "out" so I doubt it

[Warren Brusstar]

I hadn't looked at how he'd been doing and I hadn't heard a thing discussed here. I knew he started out well, and I figured he might still be doing okay. Not so much...

 

55.1 IP

1.825 WHIP

45:37 K:BB

7.64 ERA

 

Ouch. Sorry Rich.

 

abuck told me that this is all Larry Rothschild's fault and that Hill would be straightened out as soon as he escaped Larry's evil spell.

[SouthSideRyan]

I hadn't looked at how he'd been doing and I hadn't heard a thing discussed here. I knew he started out well, and I figured he might still be doing okay. Not so much...

 

55.1 IP

1.825 WHIP

45:37 K:BB

7.64 ERA

 

Ouch. Sorry Rich.

 

abuck told me that this is all Larry Rothschild's fault and that Hill would be straightened out as soon as he escaped Larry's evil spell.

 

FINALLY

[bcl412]

I was pretty upset when he was sent to the minors so soon last year. Looks like I was proven wrong.

[CubColtPacer]

Hill says he has been pitching with a torn labrum all season:

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-hill0729,0,6883585.story

 

Remember when Hendry said in the offseason that there was one player that was secretly injured and they were giving that fact to other clubs? It looks like it might have been Hill as the timetable would match up (Hill says it was discovered around the first of the year).

[CubColtPacer]

I know I'm replying to myself but I think this deserves its own post. Apparently my theory was wrong. Hill was diagnosed by Cubs physicians, but the Orioles front office is claiming they were never told by anybody..the Cubs or Hill and their own doctors never found anything:

 

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6132114&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

 

Wow. If that's true it looks very bad on everyone. The Cubs front office should have disclosed it. Hill most certainly has been incredibly selfish in hiding the injury (2nd year in a row of hiding an injury if you believe his story from earlier in the year). And you think the Orioles doctors would have found it between the trade physical and the tests they ran in ST when he had soreness.

[abuck1220]

I hadn't looked at how he'd been doing and I hadn't heard a thing discussed here. I knew he started out well, and I figured he might still be doing okay. Not so much...

 

55.1 IP

1.825 WHIP

45:37 K:BB

7.64 ERA

 

Ouch. Sorry Rich.

 

abuck told me that this is all Larry Rothschild's fault and that Hill would be straightened out as soon as he escaped Larry's evil spell.

 

OH SNAP.

[Bruno7481]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

[inari]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

 

You don't get credit for an I told you so, as there was nothing to say this was coming.

[Bruno7481]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

 

You don't get credit for an I told you so, as there was nothing to say this was coming.

 

Actually I never was much of a fan of his. I took some heat for that on here for that stance (I think Raisin dubbed a Hill hater, heh). He needed something other than a FB and Curve. Especially when he had trouble controlling each of those pitches.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Baltimore Orioles placed LHP Rich Hill on the 15-Day disabled list retroactive to July 28, 2009. Left shoulder inflammation.

 

So I take it Adam Jones as the PTBNL is out of the question.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

 

You don't get credit for an I told you so, as there was nothing to say this was coming.

 

That's kind of a silly attitude, imo. Obviously he thought there was something.

[abuck1220]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

 

You don't get credit for an I told you so, as there was nothing to say this was coming.

 

That's kind of a silly attitude, imo. Obviously he thought there was something.

 

was it his 1.19 whip in '07? his nearly k per inning throughout 06-07? him being in the top 10 in the NL in h/9, k/9, k's, whip, etc in 2007? which of those are indicators of a future collapse?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

was it his 1.19 whip in '07? his nearly k per inning throughout 06-07? him being in the top 10 in the NL in h/9, k/9, k's, whip, etc in 2007? which of those are indicators of a future collapse?

 

None of them. But it's a bit of a circlejerk to insist that stats are the only possible projection tool, and that anytime the stats are wrong it must be a fluke and there was no way anybody could have predicted it, and that anybody who did predict it wasn't really right.

[Bruno7481]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

 

You don't get credit for an I told you so, as there was nothing to say this was coming.

 

That's kind of a silly attitude, imo. Obviously he thought there was something.

 

was it his 1.19 whip in '07? his nearly k per inning throughout 06-07? him being in the top 10 in the NL in h/9, k/9, k's, whip, etc in 2007? which of those are indicators of a future collapse?

 

This is just my opinion, but for me it was really a lack of a 2nd quality pitch (no one pitch rich jokes please). He had an average fastball combined with a very good curveball. On days he didn't have his curveball there was not another pitch he could go to. He couldn't challenge hitters with his fastball and that led to a lot of nibbling and control problems because he couldn't get hitters out with it on a consistent basis.

 

I think things might have been different for him had he had some kind of a cuttter, changeup, etc.

 

Also, I think once he went around the league more than once it was easier for others teams to approach him. They were able to wait him out and get him into counts where he had to come with a fastball. At that point they either hit him really hard or walked.

 

I know you'll probably disagree because of your stance on Hill, but those were my concerns about him then, and now.

[Jehrico]

I know I'm replying to myself but I think this deserves its own post. Apparently my theory was wrong. Hill was diagnosed by Cubs physicians, but the Orioles front office is claiming they were never told by anybody..the Cubs or Hill and their own doctors never found anything:

 

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6132114&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

 

Wow. If that's true it looks very bad on everyone. The Cubs front office should have disclosed it. Hill most certainly has been incredibly selfish in hiding the injury (2nd year in a row of hiding an injury if you believe his story from earlier in the year). And you think the Orioles doctors would have found it between the trade physical and the tests they ran in ST when he had soreness.

Here's the thing with Rich in my view...he supposedly had a problem before he sucked for us last year and didn't disclose it until after he sucked, to the detriment of the team. Apparently, he didn't learn his lesson, and did it again this year. So, either he's being incredibly selfish and throwing when he knows he his problems are beyond the threshold where he can effectively play through the pain. Either that, or he has recently developed the problem, and is using it a crutch to explain his previous crappiness. Either way, good riddance on our part.