Rich Hill with Baltimore

[abuck1220]

was it his 1.19 whip in '07? his nearly k per inning throughout 06-07? him being in the top 10 in the NL in h/9, k/9, k's, whip, etc in 2007? which of those are indicators of a future collapse?

 

None of them. But it's a bit of a circlejerk to insist that stats are the only possible projection tool, and that anytime the stats are wrong it must be a fluke and there was no way anybody could have predicted it, and that anybody who did predict it wasn't really right.

 

i don't think that's a circle jerk at all (whatever that means).

 

just because people were right about him collapsing doesn't mean they were right for the correct reasons. he was a well above average pitcher for two seasons and nearly 50 starts, heading into his age 28 season. people who predicted his failure were taking stabs in the dark and got lucky.

[abuck1220]

I kept hoping he would be traded after the 2007 season, oh well.

 

You don't get credit for an I told you so, as there was nothing to say this was coming.

 

That's kind of a silly attitude, imo. Obviously he thought there was something.

 

was it his 1.19 whip in '07? his nearly k per inning throughout 06-07? him being in the top 10 in the NL in h/9, k/9, k's, whip, etc in 2007? which of those are indicators of a future collapse?

 

This is just my opinion, but for me it was really a lack of a 2nd quality pitch (no one pitch rich jokes please). He had an average fastball combined with a very good curveball. On days he didn't have his curveball there was not another pitch he could go to. He couldn't challenge hitters with his fastball and that led to a lot of nibbling and control problems because he couldn't get hitters out with it on a consistent basis.

 

 

even if all that is true, why would you think he would lose the ability to throw his curveball? sure, he may not have it from start to start, but he obviously survived pretty well for 50 starts, and i'm assuming some days he didn't have it.

 

people didn't like hill before his great 2007, and then continued to be skeptical about him based solely on the fact that they didn't like him pre-2006 or whatever.

[CubColtPacer]

Baltimore Orioles placed LHP Rich Hill on the 15-Day disabled list retroactive to July 28, 2009. Left shoulder inflammation.

 

So I take it Adam Jones as the PTBNL is out of the question.

 

The Orioles board is claiming that MacPhail said that the deal was completed with cash sent to the Cubs.

[Bruno7481]

was it his 1.19 whip in '07? his nearly k per inning throughout 06-07? him being in the top 10 in the NL in h/9, k/9, k's, whip, etc in 2007? which of those are indicators of a future collapse?

 

None of them. But it's a bit of a circlejerk to insist that stats are the only possible projection tool, and that anytime the stats are wrong it must be a fluke and there was no way anybody could have predicted it, and that anybody who did predict it wasn't really right.

 

i don't think that's a circle jerk at all (whatever that means).

 

just because people were right about him collapsing doesn't mean they were right for the correct reasons. he was a well above average pitcher for two seasons and nearly 50 starts, heading into his age 28 season. people who predicted his failure were taking stabs in the dark and got lucky.

 

I don't know if my reasons were right or not, I don't really care either way. But it is easy for you to just claim my thoughts were dumb luck and that none of this should have ever happened.

[sneakypower]

it seems to be pretty clear looking back that his downfall was resultant from injuries. unless you pinpointed something in his mechanics that showed he was a significant injury risk, i don't really know how you can say i told you so about it.

[Bruno7481]

it seems to be pretty clear looking back that his downfall was resultant from injuries. unless you pinpointed something in his mechanics that showed he was a significant injury risk, i don't really know how you can say i told you so about it.

 

Its not really an "I told you so." I was just never gaga for Hill and have explained why. If has issues have been due to injury that is very unfortunate. It isn't anything personal against the guy, I wish him well.

 

I will now retreat to my dark cave and take some more stabs.

[abuck1220]

well, the reason he failed isn't the reason you said he'd fail. i guess that's my point. you seemed to say he didn't have the stuff to succeed and that doesn't appear to be the case.

[Banedon]

well, the reason he failed isn't the reason you said he'd fail. i guess that's my point. you seemed to say he didn't have the stuff to succeed and that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

He didn't have the mental stuff...yeah...that's the ticket....

[Warren Brusstar]

well, the reason he failed isn't the reason you said he'd fail. i guess that's my point. you seemed to say he didn't have the stuff to succeed and that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

Do you still contend the reason he failed is Larry Rothschild?

[Bruno7481]

well, the reason he failed isn't the reason you said he'd fail. i guess that's my point. you seemed to say he didn't have the stuff to succeed and that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

Why do you think he failed then?

[abuck1220]

injury and control problems.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

injury and control problems.

 

I thought we established years ago that getting hurt and control issues are both signs of a lack of mental toughness? Anyone who played HS baseball knows that.

[C.C.]

When did we get Hill back? He's pitching great tonight!