Halladay all but gone from Toronto (or not)

[moorecg]

I just looked at that deal again...are they REALLY paying Wells almost $25mm a year the last 3 years of that deal?

[Backtobanks]

If they insist on another team taking back Vernon Wells, then Halladay becomes MUCH cheaper, and almost any team should be able to offer enough for him.

 

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade.

Absolutely dead wrong. Nobody will take Wells in a trade for something useful. There's plenty of other bad contracts out there that other teams may not mind swapping for Wells, depending on the other factors in the trade. For example, you know the Giants would do a Zito for Wells swap in a heartbeat.

 

Of course the Giants would, but the Jays wouldn't. The Jays are trying to rebuild and not take on new, lousy, expensive players to replace their old, lousy, expensive players. If Zito had only 2 years at $19 million per, the Jays might think about it to save some money in the long run.

[Jehrico]

If adding Wells to the deal decreases Halladay's value, they would be crazy to include him.

Have you looked at what Wells numbers look like, and what the rest of his contract looks like? They need to get rid of him, badly. He's worth packaging even if it decreases Halladay's value. The question is how much devaluation is acceptable.

[Vanilla Ice]

They wouldn't have to strip their minor league system if they took Wells

 

The Jays have already stated that it would be much more expensive in terms of prospects for a team in the AL East (Yankees) to acquire Halladay. Since the rumors are already stating the Jays would get probably 4 prospects for Halladay alone, I would think 2 more for Wells isn't out of the question unless they up the quality of the prospects. If adding Wells to the deal decreases Halladay's value, they would be crazy to include him.

Nobody would trade 2 prospects for Wells. He absolutely decreases the value of Halladay, but it would still help them a lot to package them together.

[davearm2]

Roy Halladay, the Jake Peavy of July: a tale... full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[Backtobanks]

If adding Wells to the deal decreases Halladay's value, they would be crazy to include him.

Have you looked at what Wells numbers look like, and what the rest of his contract looks like? They need to get rid of him, badly. He's worth packaging even if it decreases Halladay's value. The question is how much devaluation is acceptable.

 

The original point was that the Yankees were a team that could afford Halladay and Wells. Assuming Halladay can get you 4 prospects (3 very good and 1 good) from a team like the Phillies or Cardinals, do you really think they would send Halladay and Wells to an AL East team for less? It's not like unloading the ridiculous contract on the Yankees is going to hurt them, thus improving the Jays chances in the future. Unloading Halladay for less then maximum value would be ridiculous.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd rather have Wells and a few elite prospects than neither.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think the idea is that theyd get the same prospects theyd get for Halladay alone, and Wells contract off the books would be an added bonus.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd rather have Wells and a few elite prospects than neither.

 

Yeah, I'm sure everybody would.

[abohnhoff]

Heard this morning on ESPN radio 101.1 in St. Louis that the Jays are asking for Colby Rasmus and other minor league prospects for Halladay. First of all, I cant imagine the Cards being able to take on his contract this year and next. Not to mention, I find it very hard to believe they would want to give up a potential star in Rasmus for 1.5 years out of Halladay.

[RedVerbs]

Cardinals do have contracts coming off at the end of this season (Pineiro, Glaus, Derosa, Greene) and they have in house replacements too.

[JimSorgi]

Heard this morning on ESPN radio 101.1 in St. Louis that the Jays are asking for Colby Rasmus and other minor league prospects for Halladay. First of all, I cant imagine the Cards being able to take on his contract this year and next. Not to mention, I find it very hard to believe they would want to give up a potential star in Rasmus for 1.5 years out of Halladay.

they should

[ManEatingTarp]

Rasmus isn't going anywhere.

 

Pujols, Wainwright, Rasmus and to a lesser extent Molina are going to be cornerstones for a while. No way any of them gets traded.

I don't see anyone outside of those four on the MLB roster that the Cards would include that the Jays would be interested in.

 

"If" the Halladay trade goes down, it will probably be something like Wallace(3b/DH), Kozma(SS), Jones(OF), Todd(SP).

That's 4 pretty highly thought of prospects within the organization. Wallace being the centerpiece.

[ManEatingTarp]

Cardinals do have contracts coming off at the end of this season (Pineiro, Glaus, Derosa, Greene) and they have in house replacements too.

 

They do have those coming off the books. The problem is that they would have to trade some of those in house replacements to get Halladay.

[Guest]

Rasmus isn't going anywhere.

 

Pujols, Wainwright, Rasmus and to a lesser extent Molina are going to be cornerstones for a while. No way any of them gets traded.

I don't see anyone outside of those four on the MLB roster that the Cards would include that the Jays would be interested in.

 

"If" the Halladay trade goes down, it will probably be something like Wallace(3b/DH), Kozma(SS), Jones(OF), Todd(SP).

That's 4 pretty highly thought of prospects within the organization. Wallace being the centerpiece.

Quantity does not make up for quality. If Rasmus is as good as you guys seem to think he is qhy would the Jays want inferior prospects. They don't have to trade him.

 

This fascination with Rasmus is mind bottling. If the Cubs had a guy like Rasmus and could trade him for Doc I'd be advocating for it as hard as I could. They can have Vitters and Castro and Cashner for Doc.

[sneakypower]

lol Kozma. they should include used scraps of toilet paper in the deal to sweeten it some more while they're at it. or, bryan anderson.

[ManEatingTarp]

Rasmus isn't going anywhere.

 

Pujols, Wainwright, Rasmus and to a lesser extent Molina are going to be cornerstones for a while. No way any of them gets traded.

I don't see anyone outside of those four on the MLB roster that the Cards would include that the Jays would be interested in.

 

"If" the Halladay trade goes down, it will probably be something like Wallace(3b/DH), Kozma(SS), Jones(OF), Todd(SP).

That's 4 pretty highly thought of prospects within the organization. Wallace being the centerpiece.

Quantity does not make up for quality. If Rasmus is as good as you guys seem to think he is qhy would the Jays want inferior prospects. They don't have to trade him.

 

This fascination with Rasmus is mind bottling. If the Cubs had a guy like Rasmus and could trade him for Doc I'd be advocating for it as hard as I could. They can have Vitters and Castro and Cashner for Doc.

 

The Cubs don't have a guy like Rasmus, and if they did, I can guarantee that most of the people on these boards wouldn't be in favor of trading him.

The fascination with Rasmus is that he is a young 4+ tool player that will be under team control for several years. He's on his way to being ROY and may be a cornerstone of the organization into the next decade.

He's also one of the only offensive weapons on an offensively challenged team.

I wouldn't give that up for a Halladay.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jimmy Journell and Blake Hawksworth for Halladay.

[ManEatingTarp]

lol Kozma. they should include used scraps of toilet paper in the deal to sweeten it some more while they're at it. or, bryan anderson.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. The word is, that Wallace and Kozma were both coveted by Toronto in the years they were drafted. Sometimes those draft waters run deep.

 

I don't think this trade is going down, and if it does I don't know if it is really the best thing for St. Louis. Rasmus is an automatic deal breaker in my opinion.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Rasmus is a fantastic prospect/young player.

 

If it was straight up, then of course the Cardinals should take it. But if he's the centerpiece of a multi-prospect deal, I think twice and probably don't do it.

 

The Jays would be idiots not to ask for Rasmus, but there's no reason for the Cardinals to budge. A package centered around Wallace is going to be competitive with anything any other teams offer.

[ManEatingTarp]

Rasmus is a fantastic prospect/young player.

 

If it was straight up, then of course the Cardinals should take it. But if he's the centerpiece of a multi-prospect deal, I think twice and probably don't do it.

 

The Jays would be idiots not to ask for Rasmus, but there's no reason for the Cardinals to budge. A package centered around Wallace is going to be competitive with anything any other teams offer.

 

I endorse this post ;)

 

I'm not saying that Rasmus is on the way to the HOF. I just see his value as being greater now than a year ago because he's doing it at the MLB level. St. Louis is in the position where they have to field young affordable players to be able to compete. Rasmus is at the center of that.

[italianocubsfan7]

From a Yankees perspective, the New York Daily News is proposing Melkey Cabrera, Phil Hughes, and outfield prospect Austin Jackson would be enough for Toronto to get Halladay.

[JimSorgi]

Rasmus is a fantastic prospect/young player.

 

If it was straight up, then of course the Cardinals should take it. But if he's the centerpiece of a multi-prospect deal, I think twice and probably don't do it.

 

The Jays would be idiots not to ask for Rasmus, but there's no reason for the Cardinals to budge. A package centered around Wallace is going to be competitive with anything any other teams offer.

 

I endorse this post ;)

You would. Kyle is a Cardinals fan, or something. I'm not really sure.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You would. Kyle is a Cardinals fan, or something. I'm not really sure.

 

I should be so lucky.

[RedFlash]

From a Yankees perspective, the New York Daily News is proposing Melkey Cabrera, Phil Hughes, and outfield prospect Austin Jackson would be enough for Toronto to get Halladay.

 

Hughes and Jackson still have good potential, but why in the world do NY have this notion that Melky Cabrera is a good player with good trade? Melky is a 4th OF pretending to be a starter.