Hendry's regime

[JimSorgi]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

[manbearcub]

Can anyone tell me how only Sean Marshall has made an even moderate impact in the last 6 years of drafting. ANYONE? To say Hendry has little do with the draft is comical. He's our frggin GM! He is involved far more then you think.

are you including the last 3-4 years in this "6 years of drafting", because that would be ridiculous and hilarious.

[17 Seconds]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

[fasttrack21]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

Jim built a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Jim paid for a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

 

Fixed for accuracy

[17 Seconds]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

Jim built a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

 

No, he built an 85 win team. He got into the playoffs because the other teams sucked. If the Brewers win 87 games that year and win the division, did Hendry still do a good job?

 

He won 85 games in a horrible division with a big payroll. Neat.

[chasinf5s]

(a) you're judging only first round picks. the cardinals' first two picks in 1999 were chance caple and nick stocks. i guess we could call that draft a bust, except that they got albert pujols in the 13th round.

(b) hendry doesn't have much to do with drafting any more. the drafting falls mostly on tim wilken and the scouts.

© if you are going to give an assessment of hendry, then give him credit for good signings and trades as well as the poor ones. if you bitch about signing miles and don't give him credit for the derosa signing, it's clear that you're taking an excessively-negative stance on him and are being unreasonable.

 

Give credit for him signing Derosa? Well, perhaps if he were:

 

A: Still a Cub

B: Wasn't traded for marginal prospects

C: Not playing for the Cardinals

 

DeRosa is not a good example.

 

When DeRosa was signed he was considered a risk considering he really never played everyday for a full year.

 

DeRosa went on to have a pretty decent season and then a career year for the Cubs and played a big role in both divison titles. They sold high on a 34 year old Middle Infielder, something you rarley can do.

 

DeRosa OPS'd .857 last year. There was no way he was going to do that again. DeRosa also got helped out by leading the league in "lucky" home runs last year with 8.

 

Look DeRosa is a good player, however he is not a superstar. He is below avg. defensivly basically everywhere you up put him.

 

The biggest reason why the Cubs are struggling this year IMO is your bullpen and the loss of A-Ram. To blame this all on Hendry just seems like a scape goat. The fact is they have a bunch of players underachiving... Soriano, Bradley, Marmol, Harden, Gregg and Soto just to name a few. And then take out the Cubs best player (Aramis) and you end up being 2 games under .500. But lucky for the Cubs (and brewers) its the NL Central. You still have a really good starting rotation. And for how bad and under achving the cubs have been they are still only 3.5 games back.

 

 

please explain to me what a lucky home run is, it sounds so moronic that maybe im just to smart to understand

[XZero771679666304]

The funny part is that Hendry's best attribute is arguably his ability to draft/run a farm system. If he was removed as GM, I'd let him replace Tim Wilken in a heartbeat.

 

Definitely.

 

Wasn't Jimbo the director of the farm system at one point? For a brief period when the Cubs system was ranked near the top? Yeah, let's get a new GM and let him do that again.

[XZero771679666304]

(a) you're judging only first round picks. the cardinals' first two picks in 1999 were chance caple and nick stocks. i guess we could call that draft a bust, except that they got albert pujols in the 13th round.

(b) hendry doesn't have much to do with drafting any more. the drafting falls mostly on tim wilken and the scouts.

© if you are going to give an assessment of hendry, then give him credit for good signings and trades as well as the poor ones. if you bitch about signing miles and don't give him credit for the derosa signing, it's clear that you're taking an excessively-negative stance on him and are being unreasonable.

 

Give credit for him signing Derosa? Well, perhaps if he were:

 

A: Still a Cub

B: Wasn't traded for marginal prospects

C: Not playing for the Cardinals

 

DeRosa is not a good example.

 

When DeRosa was signed he was considered a risk considering he really never played everyday for a full year.

 

DeRosa went on to have a pretty decent season and then a career year for the Cubs and played a big role in both divison titles. They sold high on a 34 year old Middle Infielder, something you rarley can do.

 

DeRosa OPS'd .857 last year. There was no way he was going to do that again. DeRosa also got helped out by leading the league in "lucky" home runs last year with 8.

 

Look DeRosa is a good player, however he is not a superstar. He is below avg. defensivly basically everywhere you up put him.

 

The biggest reason why the Cubs are struggling this year IMO is your bullpen and the loss of A-Ram. To blame this all on Hendry just seems like a scape goat. The fact is they have a bunch of players underachiving... Soriano, Bradley, Marmol, Harden, Gregg and Soto just to name a few. And then take out the Cubs best player (Aramis) and you end up being 2 games under .500. But lucky for the Cubs (and brewers) its the NL Central. You still have a really good starting rotation. And for how bad and under achving the cubs have been they are still only 3.5 games back.

 

 

please explain to me what a lucky home run is, it sounds so moronic that maybe im just to smart to understand

 

A homer that barely clears the fence. There are other criteria, I think. I think hittracker or some such place keeps track of them.

[Sammy Sofa]

please explain to me what a lucky home run is, it sounds so moronic that maybe im just to smart to understand

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/2/896058/lucky-home-runs-through-the-first

Edited June 29, 2009 by Sammy Sofa

[17 Seconds]

(a) you're judging only first round picks. the cardinals' first two picks in 1999 were chance caple and nick stocks. i guess we could call that draft a bust, except that they got albert pujols in the 13th round.

(b) hendry doesn't have much to do with drafting any more. the drafting falls mostly on tim wilken and the scouts.

© if you are going to give an assessment of hendry, then give him credit for good signings and trades as well as the poor ones. if you bitch about signing miles and don't give him credit for the derosa signing, it's clear that you're taking an excessively-negative stance on him and are being unreasonable.

 

Give credit for him signing Derosa? Well, perhaps if he were:

 

A: Still a Cub

B: Wasn't traded for marginal prospects

C: Not playing for the Cardinals

 

DeRosa is not a good example.

 

When DeRosa was signed he was considered a risk considering he really never played everyday for a full year.

 

DeRosa went on to have a pretty decent season and then a career year for the Cubs and played a big role in both divison titles. They sold high on a 34 year old Middle Infielder, something you rarley can do.

 

DeRosa OPS'd .857 last year. There was no way he was going to do that again. DeRosa also got helped out by leading the league in "lucky" home runs last year with 8.

 

Look DeRosa is a good player, however he is not a superstar. He is below avg. defensivly basically everywhere you up put him.

 

The biggest reason why the Cubs are struggling this year IMO is your bullpen and the loss of A-Ram. To blame this all on Hendry just seems like a scape goat. The fact is they have a bunch of players underachiving... Soriano, Bradley, Marmol, Harden, Gregg and Soto just to name a few. And then take out the Cubs best player (Aramis) and you end up being 2 games under .500. But lucky for the Cubs (and brewers) its the NL Central. You still have a really good starting rotation. And for how bad and under achving the cubs have been they are still only 3.5 games back.

 

 

please explain to me what a lucky home run is, it sounds so moronic that maybe im just to smart to understand

 

It's not really hard to figure out what it means. Bill James keeps a stat like that, but I'm not sure if that's the one he's talking about. Lucky home runs = wind aided home runs, home runs to small parts of parks, etc. A lot of DeRo's home runs last year were either wind helped or just barely got into the basket. That's what he's talking about.

 

It's kind of pointless to talk about that though since he's hitting even more home runs this season.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

Sure we can. His team was way too right-handed. :D

[chasinf5s]

please explain to me what a lucky home run is, it sounds so moronic that maybe im just to smart to understand

 

Great attitude:

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/2/896058/lucky-home-runs-through-the-first

 

thats really stupid, seriously for all the "lucky home runs" derosa hit, i wonder how many "unlucky pop outs" there were that would have gone out in neutral conditions, esp at Wrigley Field with the wind blowing in the first 2 1/2 months of the seaons and most of September.

[Arnold Layne]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

Jim built a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

 

Wasn't the next highest payroll in the divison 30-40 mil back?

[Arnold Layne]

The funny part is that Hendry's best attribute is arguably his ability to draft/run a farm system. If he was removed as GM, I'd let him replace Tim Wilken in a heartbeat.

 

Definitely.

 

Wasn't Jimbo the director of the farm system at one point? For a brief period when the Cubs system was ranked near the top? Yeah, let's get a new GM and let him do that again.

 

 

Not sure a farm system of nothing but starting pitching and .295 OBP athletic position players is the way to go again. Hendry's strength is starting pitching. I wouldn't let him touch any other aspect of drafting.

Edited June 29, 2009 by Arnold Layne

[Arnold Layne]

The funny part is that Hendry's best attribute is arguably his ability to draft/run a farm system. If he was removed as GM, I'd let him replace Tim Wilken in a heartbeat.

 

Definitely.

 

 

I agree. Look at the quality position players his farm developed all those years. Just take a look at what's his name is doing right now in MLB. What was his name again? It's at the tip of my tongue, but just can't quite grab it...

[ChiCubsfan0502]

I agree. Look at the quality position players his farm developed all those years. Just take a look at what's his name is doing right now in MLB. What was his name again? It's at the tip of my tongue, but just can't quite grab it...

 

Eric Patterson? :mrgreen:

[fasttrack21]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

Jim built a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

 

Wasn't the next highest payroll in the divison 30-40 mil back?

If higher payroll = higher win total, you might have a point. It doesn't, so you don't.

[17 Seconds]

If higher payroll = higher win total, you might have a point. It doesn't, so you don't.

 

Umm, what? You're saying that having a higher payroll doesn't make it easier to build a team with more wins?

Edited June 29, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[fasttrack21]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

Jim built a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

 

No, he built an 85 win team. He got into the playoffs because the other teams sucked. If the Brewers win 87 games that year and win the division, did Hendry still do a good job?

 

He won 85 games in a horrible division with a big payroll. Neat.

He took a 67 win team that was embarrassingly bad and turned them into a division winner the following year -- again, his job. Yes, neat indeed.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

He took a 67 win team that was embarrassingly bad and turned them into a division winner the following year -- again, his job. Yes, neat indeed.

 

LOL! So because he threw money at every free agent under the sun this makes him a good GM? Good one!

[17 Seconds]

He took a 67 win team that was embarrassingly bad and turned them into a division winner the following year -- again, his job. Yes, neat indeed.

 

And who built the 67 win team?

 

He turned them into an 85 win team by buying everything, again going back the payroll thing. That 85 win season also came at the cost of giving Soriano 136 million dollars.

 

So let's see. He built a horrible 67 win team, then was given a ton of cash to make it better, spent all that cash, then won an okay 85 wins in a horrible division, and we're supposed to congratulate him for that? Wow. Such low standards.

[manbearcub]

Why are we giving Hendry credit for an 85 victory division winner which got humiliated in the first round of the playoffs?

We can't blame him for the Cubs not performing in the playoffs.

 

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's silly to congratulate Hendyr for winning the division in 07, when really it was only because the Cubs played in an awful division.

Jim built a roster that beat the competition and won the division -- that's his job.

 

Wasn't the next highest payroll in the divison 30-40 mil back?

try $9 over the cards and $12 over the astros

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,660208436,00.html

[fasttrack21]

He took a 67 win team that was embarrassingly bad and turned them into a division winner the following year -- again, his job. Yes, neat indeed.

 

And who built the 67 win team?

 

He turned them into an 85 win team by buying everything, again going back the payroll thing. That 85 win season also came at the cost of giving Soriano 136 million dollars.

 

So let's see. He built a horrible 67 win team, then was given a ton of cash to make it better, spent all that cash, then won an okay 85 wins in a horrible division, and we're supposed to congratulate him for that? Wow. Such low standards.

What on earth are you talking about? The 2003 Cubs won 85 games. We're talking about the 2003 team here. Please, if you're going to participate in the discussion... know what the discussion is about.

 

And, of course, you don't know who built the 2002 Cubs. No surprise. It wasn't Hendry, though. I'd tell you to look it up yourself, but for some reason I don't think you'd have success. Hendry took over as GM midway thru the '02 season.

[JeffH]

He won 85 games in a horrible division with a big payroll. Neat.

He took a 67 win team that was embarrassingly bad and turned them into a division winner the following year -- again, his job. Yes, neat indeed.

 

I wonder who assembled that 67 win team.

 

Hendry's breathing oxygen a good man could be using.

 

He's a waste. Always has been.