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I know it's cliche and generalization, but Detroit's just a better team than us. I don't know how much discussion there is even to be had about this series. They've kicked our ass so far.

We are dead last in baseball in OPS. It doesn't take much to be better than us right now.

 

It's not just the offense man. Their bullpen is so much better than ours. Their bench is better than ours. Their manager is better than ours. Their team defense is better than ours. And before someone says I'm being overly negative - what really irks me, and I assume everyone else as well, is how much we've fallen from last year. This is just the epitome of frustration. I dont get it. We should be better.

Losing Ramirez really hurt.

 

It hurt but we didnt lose Albert Pujols. Noway should losing Aram hurt like it has. Not on a team with a 130 million payroll

 

I think our offense was due for a fall back to Earth anyway, but it seems pretty clear that for whatever reason, the loss of Ramirez has hurt beyond just taking his numbers out of the lineup.

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We are dead last in baseball in OPS. It doesn't take much to be better than us right now.

There are 8 teams worse than us in OPS

 

Not with RISP. Which is arguably all that matters.

 

so home runs doubles and triples without RISP don't matter? Fukudomes runscoring triple doesn't matter? Hitting with RISP is very important but not important enough to say "were dead last in ops" and not add "with risp".

 

More than anything I was just trying to clarify that we're dead last in OPS with RISP, not in general OPS. Not gonna debate that triples aren't valuable or whatever, as that wasn't my point.

 

no I was originally was arguing with the poster who keeps saying "we are dead last in ops" which is very misleading. Your post seemed to defend him. I agree hitting with RISP is valuable, but who the heck knows how to even fix that except getting better hitters.

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What's with that ad behind home plate? $5 for tickets, parking, and food for a Tigers game? How is that possible.

 

Just pay $60 for a program, and you too can have this deal.

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no I was originally was arguing with the poster who keeps saying "we are dead last in ops" which is very misleading. Your post seemed to defend him. I agree hitting with RISP is valuable, but who the heck knows how to even fix that except getting better hitters.

 

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no I was originally was arguing with the poster who keeps saying "we are dead last in ops" which is very misleading. Your post seemed to defend him. I agree hitting with RISP is valuable, but who the heck knows how to even fix that except getting better hitters.

I shouldn't have said dead last. Out of the teams that are trying to field competetive teams, we are at the bottom of them for team OPS. Is that better?

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Know I've ripped people recently for saying the cubs are playing with no heart, but the phrase "going through the motions" keeps going through my head during each of the numerous mental errors the Cubs have made today. Seems weird to say this after all the exciting comebacks past weeks so I'm probably wrong here but I feel the team has lost the winning mentality they had last year. It starts with the manager saying "I have no idea how to fix this" and sounding resigned in his post game news conferences and filters through the team after every bad loss like this.
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Know I've ripped people recently for saying the cubs are playing with no heart, but the phrase "going through the motions" keeps going through my head during each of the numerous mental errors the Cubs have made today. Seems weird to say this after all the exciting comebacks past weeks so I'm probably wrong here but I feel the team has lost the winning mentality they had last year. It starts with the manager saying "I have no idea how to fix this" and sounding resigned in his post game news conferences and filters through the team after every bad loss like this.

 

Tell me about it. Trust me, I'm not gonna rip anyone for saying that. I know we make fun of "grit" and "chemistry" and all those terms, and we should, but there's no debating the Cubs are lifeless right now. Hell, for the entire year.

 

edit - also, like any corporation, the CEO or executives shape the mindset of the company as a whole. I assume a major league dugout uses the same logic. If your manager is apathetic, is it that wild and crazy to assume the team will become apathetic?

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I think our offense was due for a fall back to Earth anyway, but it seems pretty clear that for whatever reason, the loss of Ramirez has hurt beyond just taking his numbers out of the lineup.

 

Not clear at all. Lee was stinking up the joint before Ramirez got hurt, but he's been great since. Bradley stunk long before Ramirez went down. Soriano's numbers were already well on their way down in the three weeks leading up to Ramirez getting injured. Theriot was a 750 OPS player at the end of April and he's a 750 OPS player now.

They were a subpar hitting team before Ramirez went down (12th in NL in April OPS) and when Ramirez went down they had to play Fontenot against more LHP than they would have liked and inserted a variety of crappy players into the 2B position on a daily basis.

Plus Gregg struggled before Ramirez went down, and Marmol hasn't thrown 2 consecutive strikes all year.

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I think our offense was due for a fall back to Earth anyway, but it seems pretty clear that for whatever reason, the loss of Ramirez has hurt beyond just taking his numbers out of the lineup.

 

Not clear at all. Lee was stinking up the joint before Ramirez got hurt, but he's been great since. Bradley stunk long before Ramirez went down. Soriano's numbers were already well on their way down in the three weeks leading up to Ramirez getting injured. Theriot was a 750 OPS player at the end of April and he's a 750 OPS player now.

They were a subpar hitting team before Ramirez went down (12th in NL in April OPS) and when Ramirez went down they had to play Fontenot against more LHP than they would have liked and inserted a variety of crappy players into the 2B position on a daily basis.

Plus Gregg struggled before Ramirez went down, and Marmol hasn't thrown 2 consecutive strikes all year.

 

Ramirez in the lineup didn't make us a good offensive team, he held our head above water. Now, we're drowning.

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I think our biggest problem right now is that this team is getting old. Our "stars" are on the downside of their career and we really don't have any superstars in the making. We need to get younger, but it's going to be tough to do that with all these long-term contracts and NTC's.

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