Perry Fired; Von Joshua to Replace Him (p. 2)

[Shilzzz]

BCB actually scooped the media. Don't see that very often.

 

I agree with others, that I don't really like this move. Gerald Perry is not the problem with the Cubs recent slump. Get rid of Miles, Freel etc. and get some players that can actually hit.

 

Thus ended the "Patient Cubbies Era". Signal the birth of "Neo-Dustianism" aka "being aggressive"

 

do you know what you are talking about? Von Joshua is very much about patience at the plate.

[dew1679666265]

Von Joshua is highly regarded as a hitting coach. I don't understand why firing Perry signals that the Cubs want to be more aggressive.

 

That's the biggest confusion for me - both Perry and Joshua (from what I understand) have similar philosophies, so is anything really going to be different from a teaching perspective?

 

Not that I dislike the patience approach or want it changed (I'm glad we're teaching it), I just don't see the likely positive coming from it.

My only problem with it is that it takes away one our biggest assets in the farm system. Gerald Perry was perfectly fine as a hitting coach. Joshua's replacement on the farm will most likely be horrible, given the Cubs track record

 

It depends. The organization did go the patience/OBP route with both Perry and Joshua, so maybe they'll continue that with whoever they bring in to replace Joshua.

 

I suspect they'll promote from within, though, and I have no idea who the candidates are.

[NCCubFan]

This quote from Hendry bothers me:

He's got a good way about him and probably a different approach," Hendry said. "He's done very well with us at Triple-A.

PROBABLY has a different approach? You mean Hendry makes the change without knowing whether the new coach's approach is different? :banghead:

 

One possible reason for making a change that I've thought of. I'm sure other teams know that Joshua is an excellent hitting coach. Perhaps Hendry felt like he needed to promote Joshua to the major league leel as a pre-emptive move because, if the Cubs wouldn't give him a job at the major league level, somebody else would.

[SouthSideRyan]

BCB actually scooped the media. Don't see that very often.

 

I agree with others, that I don't really like this move. Gerald Perry is not the problem with the Cubs recent slump. Get rid of Miles, Freel etc. and get some players that can actually hit.

 

Thus ended the "Patient Cubbies Era". Signal the birth of "Neo-Dustianism" aka "being aggressive"

 

Von Joshua might be the best hitting coach this side of Rudy Jaramillo. You don't know what you're talking about.

[KingCubsFan]

This quote from Hendry bothers me:

He's got a good way about him and probably a different approach' date='" Hendry said. "He's done very well with us at Triple-A.[/quote']PROBABLY has a different approach? You mean Hendry makes the change without knowing whether the new coach's approach is different? :banghead:

 

One possible reason for making a change that I've thought of. I'm sure other teams know that Joshua is an excellent hitting coach. Perhaps Hendry felt like he needed to promote Joshua to the major league leel as a pre-emptive move because, if the Cubs wouldn't give him a job at the major league level, somebody else would.

My guess is that he's referring to a teaching approach, not hitting approach.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Perry is a good hitting coach who preaches the right things. However, we have pretty much wholesale underachievement from the offense, a staggering number of people performing below projections. If there was a situation where the hitting coach could be blamed, this might be it.

 

Joshua's promotion is very well deserved. And if any coaching change could make a tangible impact on how the hitters are going to perform, I think this would be it. However, I think there's a lost opportunity to have Joshua be involved with the more formative development for players in our system, and that's something that's crucial in a system with so little history of coaching up hitters well.

 

All in all, I can't fault the team for doing this, but if the hitting continues to underachieve then I think it will have been a mistake. Because odds are now Joshua won't go back to being a minor league hitting coach, and his talents will be wasted on those who either don't need his instruction, won't listen to it from being in the majors too long, or are beyond his help from being in baseball too long.

[Shilzzz]

This quote from Hendry bothers me:

He's got a good way about him and probably a different approach' date='" Hendry said. "He's done very well with us at Triple-A.[/quote']PROBABLY has a different approach? You mean Hendry makes the change without knowing whether the new coach's approach is different? :banghead:

 

One possible reason for making a change that I've thought of. I'm sure other teams know that Joshua is an excellent hitting coach. Perhaps Hendry felt like he needed to promote Joshua to the major league leel as a pre-emptive move because, if the Cubs wouldn't give him a job at the major league level, somebody else would.

 

i thought the same thing, and there is no way this didn't play into the equation. perry was the only fire-able guy, though, imo.

 

in the end, we aren't going on a winning streak anytime soon because we changed hitting coaches. i like perry, and that it keeps joshua with us is the only positive here.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can Von Joshua play 3rd?

[illiniguy]

Thank god this finally happened. After all that Perry did to mess this team up the last offseason this was totally deserved. Wait...

[Backtobanks]

As others have posted, this is a move just to make a move. Whether Joshua or Perry is the better hitting coach is irrelevant, something had to be done.

[illiniguy]

As others have posted, this is a move just to make a move. Whether Joshua or Perry is the better hitting coach is irrelevant, something had to be done.

So make one that matters. Is Gerald Perry the problem, or is having too many guys like Aaron Miles the problem. What about David Patton. Typical Cubs move.

[chuckywang]

Do you really think Soriano is going to listen to a rookie hitting coach? With a veteran club like the Cubs, it really is more on the players. I think Ramirez's absence hurt more than we thought.

[KingCubsFan]

Do you really think Soriano is going to listen to a rookie hitting coach? With a veteran club like the Cubs, it really is more on the players. I think Ramirez's absence hurt more than we thought.

Considering Frank Thomas listened to Von Joshua, I would hope Soriano would

[Guest]

Von Joshua is highly regarded as a hitting coach. I don't understand why firing Perry signals that the Cubs want to be more aggressive.

 

That's the biggest confusion for me - both Perry and Joshua (from what I understand) have similar philosophies, so is anything really going to be different from a teaching perspective?

 

Not that I dislike the patience approach or want it changed (I'm glad we're teaching it), I just don't see the likely positive coming from it.

My only problem with it is that it takes away one our biggest assets in the farm system. Gerald Perry was perfectly fine as a hitting coach. Joshua's replacement on the farm will most likely be horrible, given the Cubs track record

 

I completely agree with this. Very disappointed because Joshua was such a good AAA hitting coach (ask guys like Theriot and Soto). I don't think Perry was that much of a problem.

[RynoRules]

Do you really think Soriano is going to listen to a rookie hitting coach? With a veteran club like the Cubs, it really is more on the players. I think Ramirez's absence hurt more than we thought.

 

Please stop. Just stop.

 

I don't like canning Perry, but Joshua was a good influence on Frank Thomas, who basically was a stathead's hitting-dream-come-true. Soriano could be about 60-70% of Thomas if he would listen Joshua.

[Vanilla Ice]

I think that Joshua can really help this team. I don't think it is necessarily teach a new approach that will help. He is going to be a different voice and will have his own ideas to get these hitters back to where they should be. I don't like losing Perry and I don't like taking away Joshua from the minors, but I think this will help teh team a lot this season.

[Tracer Bullet]

As others have posted, this is a move just to make a move. Whether Joshua or Perry is the better hitting coach is irrelevant, something had to be done.

 

doing something for the sake of doing something, without really caring about the quality of the decision is pretty horrendous managing.

[Bull]

BCB actually scooped the media. Don't see that very often.

 

I agree with others, that I don't really like this move. Gerald Perry is not the problem with the Cubs recent slump. Get rid of Miles, Freel etc. and get some players that can actually hit.

 

Thus ended the "Patient Cubbies Era". Signal the birth of "Neo-Dustianism" aka "being aggressive"

 

do you know what you are talking about? Von Joshua is very much about patience at the plate.

 

so you're saying nothing changes? .......great

 

I hold my original assessment. I don't care what Joshua teaches, he can't be nearly as effective at promoting patience as Perry has been his whole career. I'm not buying what your selling, and even if you're right, there's no improvement.

[E.J.]

BCB actually scooped the media. Don't see that very often.

 

I agree with others, that I don't really like this move. Gerald Perry is not the problem with the Cubs recent slump. Get rid of Miles, Freel etc. and get some players that can actually hit.

 

Thus ended the "Patient Cubbies Era". Signal the birth of "Neo-Dustianism" aka "being aggressive"

 

do you know what you are talking about? Von Joshua is very much about patience at the plate.

 

so you're saying nothing changes? .......great

 

I hold my original assessment. I don't care what Joshua teaches, he can't be nearly as effective at promoting patience as Perry has been his whole career. I'm not buying what your selling, and even if you're right, there's no improvement.

 

So you know absolutely nothing about Von Joshua, but just assume that he's going to come in and do a worse job? That's solid thinking. Von Joshua is a highly regarded hitting coach who has done wonderful things for some of our minor and major league hitters. I'm not saying I like the move, but you can't be so closed minded to think that a guy you know nothing about is automatically going to come in and do a worse job.

[David]

 

I completely agree with this. Very disappointed because Joshua was such a good AAA hitting coach (ask guys like Theriot and Soto). I don't think Perry was that much of a problem.

 

 

Maybe he can help Geo figure himself out.

[bcl412]

So if we go on a winning streak how many people will say it's because "we made a change" and not because it will probably coincidental. That and the next 6 games we are playing teams that aren't that good.

[inari]

BCB actually scooped the media. Don't see that very often.

 

I agree with others, that I don't really like this move. Gerald Perry is not the problem with the Cubs recent slump. Get rid of Miles, Freel etc. and get some players that can actually hit.

 

Thus ended the "Patient Cubbies Era". Signal the birth of "Neo-Dustianism" aka "being aggressive"

 

do you know what you are talking about? Von Joshua is very much about patience at the plate.

 

so you're saying nothing changes? .......great

 

I hold my original assessment. I don't care what Joshua teaches, he can't be nearly as effective at promoting patience as Perry has been his whole career. I'm not buying what your selling, and even if you're right, there's no improvement.

 

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about man.

[Keener98]

Do you really think Soriano is going to listen to a rookie hitting coach? With a veteran club like the Cubs, it really is more on the players. I think Ramirez's absence hurt more than we thought.

 

Von Joshua is far from some "rookie hitting coach". Hes widely respected in the league

[Flames24Rulz]

I don't really know what to think about this. I liked Perry a lot and I don't really think he's to blame for our offensive woes this season. That being said, our offense has been in a drought since the beginning of the season and it looked like there was going to be no end in sight for our offense turning around.

 

I understand why they fired him because they felt like someone had to take the fall for what has been transpiring this year. It sucks that Perry's the guy that has to go, but something needed to be done to get this offense on the right track. Maybe a move like this will wake up the hitters.

[Flames24Rulz]

Do you really think Soriano is going to listen to a rookie hitting coach? With a veteran club like the Cubs, it really is more on the players. I think Ramirez's absence hurt more than we thought.

 

Von Joshua is far from some "rookie hitting coach". Hes widely respected in the league

 

He was the Sox hitting coach at the beginning of this decade. I believe he was their hitting coach when they won the division in 2000.