So, all you Fuku fans

[17 Seconds]

to all of those people who laughed at me when i said fukudome wasnt as good as pujols.... who is laughing now?!?!? this guy is nothing more than a .900 OPS center fielder. good luck winning with that.

 

Did anyone ever say that Fukudome is as good as Pujols? His ceiling was Bobby Abreu at best. I dont think anyone ever compared him to Pujols, even when he first came over.

 

lol, you are seriously the worst at picking up sarcasm ever. i even added the "good luck winning with a .900 ops center fielder" line just to make sure people understood i was being sarcastic, even though it shouldnt have been necessary.

 

 

edit: also i dont get the abreau comparison. in his price abrea was ridiculous, way more than fukudome ever could have been..... and new abreu sucks, so fukudome's ceiling is higher than that

[dew1679666265]

wow, i knew fuku had been struggling, but i didn't realize how far his numbers have fallen. i'm gonna hold off for now because he was due for a slump, but f this goes on much longer he's going to start coming close to last year's overall numbers.

 

Fuku's BABIP has been atrocious (.230 something I believe) in his current slump. I don't know his LD% in that time, but his season LD% is right around 22%.

 

This would mean that he's getting unbelievably unlucky and is bound to improve his numbers. He just needs to keep hitting the ball hard and being patient and the numbers will come around again.

 

It'll also help when we quite facing lefties and he can get back into a groove.

[Little Slide Rooter]

to all of those people who laughed at me when i said fukudome wasnt as good as pujols.... who is laughing now?!?!? this guy is nothing more than a .900 OPS center fielder. good luck winning with that.

 

Did anyone ever say that Fukudome is as good as Pujols? His ceiling was Bobby Abreu at best. I dont think anyone ever compared him to Pujols, even when he first came over.

 

lol, you are seriously the worst at picking up sarcasm ever. i even added the "good luck winning with a .900 ops center fielder" line just to make sure people understood i was being sarcastic, even though it shouldnt have been necessary.

 

 

edit: also i dont get the abreau comparison. in his price abrea was ridiculous, way more than fukudome ever could have been..... and new abreu sucks, so fukudome's ceiling is higher than that

 

I obviously meant vintage Abreu. I remember a lot of hype surrounding Fukudome when he came here, so i wouldnt be surprised if someone compared him to Pujols.

[17 Seconds]

nobody hyped him that much

[imb]

to all of those people who laughed at me when i said fukudome wasnt as good as pujols.... who is laughing now?!?!? this guy is nothing more than a .900 OPS center fielder. good luck winning with that.

 

Did anyone ever say that Fukudome is as good as Pujols? His ceiling was Bobby Abreu at best. I dont think anyone ever compared him to Pujols, even when he first came over.

 

lol, you are seriously the worst at picking up sarcasm ever. i even added the "good luck winning with a .900 ops center fielder" line just to make sure people understood i was being sarcastic, even though it shouldnt have been necessary.

 

 

edit: also i dont get the abreau comparison. in his price abrea was ridiculous, way more than fukudome ever could have been..... and new abreu sucks, so fukudome's ceiling is higher than that

 

I obviously meant vintage Abreu. I remember a lot of hype surrounding Fukudome when he came here, so i wouldnt be surprised if someone compared him to Pujols.

 

No. Not at all. Just quit.

[Derwood]

nobody hyped him that much

 

Vance was the one championing him, if I remember correctly

[dew1679666265]

nobody hyped him that much

 

Vance was the one championing him, if I remember correctly

 

Meph loved him as well, I think talking about him ultimately being a .900 OPS centerfielder, but I don't remember Pujols-esque love for him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

nobody hyped him that much

 

Vance was the one championing him, if I remember correctly

 

I did champion him, and always wanted him as a CF moreso than a RF. I never equated him to Pujols though.

[Sosa21MVP]

It is just way too early for an "I told you so" thread anyways. I mean teams had a book on him after last season so how did he even hit well for two months this season if teams already figured him out? Obviously he adjusted in some manner. Now he is going through a slump just like every other hitter experiences over the course of a long season. If he is still struggling like this a month from now then okay fine maybe it is the same old Fukudome. But for now I have a hard time buying it.

[bcl412]

I hate these types of threads. What's the point of bragging in retrospect? Do you brag about all the predictions you've been wrong about in the past?

[littleburr24]

I like how we're considering a month of lackluster offensive performance a slump for Fukudome.

[Sammy Sofa]

I like how we're considering a month of lackluster offensive performance a slump for Fukudome.

 

He's only had 59 AB's in the last month.

 

For comparison's sake, Theriot has had 91 in the same time period.

[17 Seconds]

i think he'll turn it around this time, but this is a huge slump. his overall numbers went from awesome to completely mediocre in like a week or 2. hopefully he'll pump them back up quickly with a hot streak

[NCCubFan]

Really, these I-told-you-so threads need to stop. People are complaining about the atmosphere of the board lately, and I-told-you-so's are unnecessary and don't help.

[Hector89]

Yep, pretty much the same pattern he fell into last season. I didn't want this to happen and wanted to be proven wrong (and I still hope I am), but this is not surprising to me in the least. At the very least, I just hope he can keep has average at a steady .260 because at least he would still be getting on base around 36% of the time.

[Banedon]

Yep, pretty much the same pattern he fell into last season. I didn't want this to happen and wanted to be proven wrong (and I still hope I am), but this is not surprising to me in the least. At the very least, I just hope he can keep has average at a steady .260 because at least he would still be getting on base around 36% of the time.

 

It's actually a considerably different pattern. Last year he started off pretty well, and slowly, gradually started to have his numbers fall off.

 

2008       OPS
April     .837 
May       .792 
June      .789 
July      .688 
August    .546 
September .577 

 

There was no really dramatic falloff. You could point to June-July-August, but that still is much more gradual than what he's experiencing right now.

 

April    1.053 
May       .830 
June      .405 

 

That's a MUCH more dramatic drop, from a whole lot better start. And it's happening a lot earlier than it did last season. I won't pretend to know a reason for it, but it's pretty clear to me that this is different than what happened last season. He never had a single month last season that was as bad as his June has been so far. Last year, you could point to pitchers adjusting, and him getting tired. He shouldn't be tired in June, and I don't think the pitchers are doing anything different. I think he's getting into some bad mechanics. Maybe Von Joshua helps...I dunno.

[hossdriver]

Fukudome was batting .296 as late as June 9th, or less than a week ago... Its still a little early in the season, and his latest 0-18 has brought his average down 30 points...

 

It isn't time to panic yet... A 3-4 day brings him back up 10 points. As the season progresses, diminshing returns will make it harder to get his average back up.

[inari]

I'm glad to see that it does appear he's going through a lot of bad luck during this slump. I don't know his LD%, but it seems like he's been hitting balls fairly hard. He certainly hasn't been 4-3ing it the whole time.

[dew1679666265]

I'm glad to see that it does appear he's going through a lot of bad luck during this slump. I don't know his LD%, but it seems like he's been hitting balls fairly hard. He certainly hasn't been 4-3ing it the whole time.

 

Yeah, if he keeps hitting the ball hard and making good contact, he's bound to work his way out of his slump.

 

Last year, his LD% was 18%, it's up 4% since over last year now, so it is mostly bad luck at this point.

[ragirag]

Really, these I-told-you-so threads need to stop. People are complaining about the atmosphere of the board lately, and I-told-you-so's are unnecessary and don't help.

 

 

This is not an "I told you so thread". This is simply a restatement of what I said earlier in the year, a prediction I made in late April that I was lambasted on. I'm not allowed to stick by that prediction/gut feeling? I'm not allowed to call out a hitter who 'seems' to be falling into the same pattern as last season, albeit a little quicker this season?

 

It seems that people on this board are a little to sensitive lately, which I understand given the team right now. But for some people to be calling for me to be banned because of a post like this is completely absurd.

 

Right now, Hendry doesn't know what to do - as evidenced by the Perry firing. Sure, Von J deserved the promotion, but did Perry really deserve to be fired? If this team wasn't getting the absolute OUTSTANDING starting pitching they've been getting all season, who knows where the Cubs would be right now. The hitting is atrocious.

 

Another argument about the 'hitting' of this team is that they'll start to come around - but on the flip side, can we really expect the starting pitching to continue to pitch like they have? Will Lilly really continue to be the sub 3 ERA pitcher he's been? Surely Randy Wells won't. Sure the hitting will probably come around, but the pitching is likely to tail off as well. Will we stay competitive in the WEAK NL Central - probably. I can see 85-87 wins winning the Central. So to say this team is an 80 win team, isn't that far off.. Most on the board say 90 at best. What's wrong with my opinion, and stating my opinion, that this 'could' be an 80 win team? And those who are calling for me to be banned, why should I be banned for a thread such as this?

 

I just don't get it.

[treebird]

Really, these I-told-you-so threads need to stop. People are complaining about the atmosphere of the board lately, and I-told-you-so's are unnecessary and don't help.

 

 

This is not an "I told you so thread". This is simply a restatement of what I said earlier in the year, a prediction I made in late April that I was lambasted on.

 

hahahahahah

[bukie]

This isn't an I-told-you-so thread, this is a thread where something is brought up in hindsight to stick it to everyone who hoped for the best for a Cub hitter this year.

 

Of course, he's still been the Cubs most valuable hitter this year, even with a significant 2-week slump.

[Cubswin11]

Has anyone maybe considered the fact he hasn't been playing as much over the last few weeks, due to the platoon, as a reason for regression? Baseball players are guys that like to stay orderly and on schedule and when you are in a platoon it might be hard to get in or out of a funk as playing time can be prolonged or spotty at times. To start the year we faced virtually no LH pitchers and Kosuke was starting almost everyday for a month 1/2 and Reed was seeing spot starts with limited pinch hitting roles. Now it seems we have faced more lefties within the last month or so and Kosuke is playing less, it's a possibility he has gotten out of the groove he was in early in the season as his starts/ab's haven't been as frequent lately. Just a thought.

[dew1679666265]

Has anyone maybe considered the fact he hasn't been playing as much over the last few weeks, due to the platoon, as a reason for regression? Baseball players are guys that like to stay orderly and on schedule and when you are in a platoon it might be hard to get in or out of a funk as playing time can be prolonged or spotty at times. To start the year we faced virtually no LH pitchers and Kosuke was starting almost everyday for a month 1/2 and Reed was seeing spot starts with limited pinch hitting roles. Now it seems we have faced more lefties within the last month or so and Kosuke is playing less, it's a possibility he has gotten out of the groove he was in early in the season as his starts/ab's haven't been as frequent lately. Just a thought.

 

He has been getting sporadic playing time and there's no way that's helped him. I still think it's a slump he'll break out of given time and the fewer lefties we face, the better it'll be for him.

[Soul]

Really, these I-told-you-so threads need to stop. People are complaining about the atmosphere of the board lately, and I-told-you-so's are unnecessary and don't help.

 

I've got a list of about 10 "I-told-you-so" things I have refrained from posting.

 

Trouble is, there's about 20 "I-told-you-something-that-turned-out-to-be-completely-wrong" things too :mrgreen: