Manny tests positive for PEDs, suspended 50 games

[NCCubFan]

They were really debating that issue during the telecast. I see it as being similar to a DL assignment, where a player can be sent to the minors on a rehabilitation assignment before the 15 days is up. This seems similar to me except that it's 50 days, not 15. I don't see that allowing a suspended player to play MINOR league baseball violates the spirit of a MAJOR league suspension.

[Careless]

Manny can go back to the Dodgers on the third when his suspension ends. Allowing him to get back into playing shape before the end of the suspension makes a mockery of the punishment.

[NonProfitCow]

Manny can go back to the Dodgers on the third when his suspension ends. Allowing him to get back into playing shape before the end of the suspension makes a mockery of the punishment.

Why is that? He already served the 50 game suspension. It's not 50 games and 10 rusty ones.

[photoguy9883]

They were really debating that issue during the telecast. I see it as being similar to a DL assignment, where a player can be sent to the minors on a rehabilitation assignment before the 15 days is up. This seems similar to me except that it's 50 days, not 15. I don't see that allowing a suspended player to play MINOR league baseball violates the spirit of a MAJOR league suspension.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Joe Morgan made a good point last night. The minor leagues fall under the major league system and the test regime has to do with the minor leagues as well. So why can someone who's been suspended during the major league season be allowed to play in the minors. And comparing a suspended player to an injured player is not a fair comparison. An injured player on the DL is not being punished for violating the rules.

[Keener98]

Manny gave an interview in the LA clubhouse yesterday. Well MLB has contacted the Dodgers today, because that violates the terms of a drug related suspension. Be interesting to see what MLB does about it, Id guess not much.

[NCCubFan]

Manny gave an interview in the LA clubhouse yesterday. Well MLB has contacted the Dodgers today, because that violates the terms of a drug related suspension. Be interesting to see what MLB does about it, Id guess not much.

From what I read about it the specific violation was being in the clubhouse at the time that it was open to reporters. Apparently he can be in the clubhouse but not when reporters are around. What I read indicated that the warning from MLB was informal and nothing would come out of it as long as he doesn't violate that rule again.

[Roast]

He should be due to play again in a couple weeks, barring anything coming of this violation, right?

[Guest]

While in the clubhouse, Manny dropped this gem:

 

"I didn't kill nobody, I didn't rape nobody, so that's it, I'm just going to come and play the game."

[Careless]

Manny can go back to the Dodgers on the third when his suspension ends. Allowing him to get back into playing shape before the end of the suspension makes a mockery of the punishment.

Why is that? He already served the 50 game suspension. It's not 50 games and 10 rusty ones.

I really don't see where you're coming from. In all other suspensions for cause, you can't play in the minors to keep sharp.

[Guest]

They were really debating that issue during the telecast. I see it as being similar to a DL assignment, where a player can be sent to the minors on a rehabilitation assignment before the 15 days is up. This seems similar to me except that it's 50 days, not 15. I don't see that allowing a suspended player to play MINOR league baseball violates the spirit of a MAJOR league suspension.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Joe Morgan made a good point last night. The minor leagues fall under the major league system and the test regime has to do with the minor leagues as well. So why can someone who's been suspended during the major league season be allowed to play in the minors. And comparing a suspended player to an injured player is not a fair comparison. An injured player on the DL is not being punished for violating the rules.

Actually, the minors and majors have had separate drug policies for a long time unless that changed with the latest updates to the policies. I believe that the minor league policy is dictated by mlb while the major league policy has to be collectively bargained. But I'm 99% sure that they are, in fact, separate.

[UMFan83]

ESPNnews has been renamed "Manny Ramirez is BACK! News" today.

 

But that's not the real reason I'm bumping this thread. I hadn't heard much talk about Juan Pierre and his awesome start much lately. So I looked at the numbers.

 

First 20 games: .425/.495/.598/1.093

Last 30 games: .244/.299/.283/.582

 

But yeah thanks for all the stories about poor Juan Pierre being a bench player on the Dodgers and that they wouldn't miss a beat with Juan Pierre instead of Manny.

[Ball And Glove]

They were really debating that issue during the telecast. I see it as being similar to a DL assignment, where a player can be sent to the minors on a rehabilitation assignment before the 15 days is up. This seems similar to me except that it's 50 days, not 15. I don't see that allowing a suspended player to play MINOR league baseball violates the spirit of a MAJOR league suspension.

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Joe Morgan made a good point last night. The minor leagues fall under the major league system and the test regime has to do with the minor leagues as well. So why can someone who's been suspended during the major league season be allowed to play in the minors. And comparing a suspended player to an injured player is not a fair comparison. An injured player on the DL is not being punished for violating the rules.

Actually, the minors and majors have had separate drug policies for a long time unless that changed with the latest updates to the policies. I believe that the minor league policy is dictated by mlb while the major league policy has to be collectively bargained. But I'm 99% sure that they are, in fact, separate.

 

They're still separate policies, which is why minor league players can still get suspended for things like marijuana. Brewers prospect Jeremy Jeffress recently tested positive for pot again and received a 100 game suspension. The next positive test will result in a lifetime ban from baseball.

 

On the topic of Manny, his "press conference" upon reaching the park was predictably boring. "I'm here to talk about the game," "I don't want to talk about my medical history right now," etc. Boras sat next to him the entire time, ready to jump in Rosenhaus-style if he needed to.

[Magnetic Curses]

dodger fans are pathetic. that is all.

[inari]

dodger fans are pathetic. that is all.

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

ESPNnews has been renamed "Manny Ramirez is BACK! News" today.

 

But that's not the real reason I'm bumping this thread. I hadn't heard much talk about Juan Pierre and his awesome start much lately. So I looked at the numbers.

 

First 20 games: .425/.495/.598/1.093

Last 30 games: .244/.299/.283/.582

 

But yeah thanks for all the stories about poor Juan Pierre being a bench player on the Dodgers and that they wouldn't miss a beat with Juan Pierre instead of Manny.

 

The Philly broadcast showed an update on the Angels game, displaying GMJ's 2-4 game on Tuesday. Sarge is their analyst and he said, "finally getting some playing time." Then went on to compare it to Juan Pierre finally getting a chance in LA and proving he can play. It's his dad so you can understand Sarge being stupid about GMJ, but he's a baseball guy so that's the explanation for him being stupid about Pierre, who has sucked more the more he's played this season.

[jersey cubs fan]

dodger fans are pathetic. that is all.

 

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I'm going to guess it has to do with the demonzing of Bonds/worshipping of Manny situation.

[Magnetic Curses]

dodger fans are pathetic. that is all.

 

Expand upon this.

 

I'm going to guess it has to do with the demonzing of Bonds/worshipping of Manny situation.

 

yes.

[Soul]

dodger fans are pathetic. that is all.

 

Expand upon this.

 

I'm going to guess it has to do with the demonzing of Bonds/worshipping of Manny situation.

 

yes.

 

Not much can be done. He got caught, served his 50 games, and now he's back. Unless he gets caught again, he's going to be out there hitting the ball and people are going to cheer him. And being Dodger fans, they are going to hold out the hope that he is now doing it clean, kind of like how Cub fans did with Sosa. They're going to give him every benefit of the doubt that they can, because he makes the scoreboard number next to "Dodgers" go up.

 

I don't really like it, but I'm pretty sure it would happen with other teams and their fans, too.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not much can be done. He got caught, served his 50 games, and now he's back. Unless he gets caught again, he's going to be out there hitting the ball and people are going to cheer him. And being Dodger fans, they are going to hold out the hope that he is now doing it clean, kind of like how Cub fans did with Sosa. They're going to give him every benefit of the doubt that they can, because he makes the scoreboard number next to "Dodgers" go up.

 

I don't really like it, but I'm pretty sure it would happen with other teams and their fans, too.

 

That's nothing like how the Cubs fans did with Sosa. He left the team before steroids talk even heated up. But from what I've seen most fan bases have been cool to a returning abuser until time heals the wounds, so to speak. Yankees fans didn't welcome ARod or Giambi back with open arms. And on top of this, Dodger fans have always been Bonds's biggest hecklers. And it's not like they just started cheering again when Manny returned, they absolutely worship the guy. It's a very LA kind of thing to do though.

[Electron Blue]

The dodgers are also the best team in baseball, which just got their best hitter back into the lineup. Why would LA fans make being a dodger fan complicated right now? Go with the flow and enjoy the ride. In fact, that sounds a lot like the LA baseball fan stereotype.

 

And Manny is a pretty unique personality, anyway. Like or not, the manny-being-manny thing is for real -- people have always looked at him differently

[Guest]

Not much can be done. He got caught, served his 50 games, and now he's back. Unless he gets caught again, he's going to be out there hitting the ball and people are going to cheer him. And being Dodger fans, they are going to hold out the hope that he is now doing it clean, kind of like how Cub fans did with Sosa. They're going to give him every benefit of the doubt that they can, because he makes the scoreboard number next to "Dodgers" go up.

 

I don't really like it, but I'm pretty sure it would happen with other teams and their fans, too.

 

That's nothing like how the Cubs fans did with Sosa. He left the team before steroids talk even heated up. But from what I've seen most fan bases have been cool to a returning abuser until time heals the wounds, so to speak. Yankees fans didn't welcome ARod or Giambi back with open arms. And on top of this, Dodger fans have always been Bonds's biggest hecklers. And it's not like they just started cheering again when Manny returned, they absolutely worship the guy. It's a very LA kind of thing to do though.

 

See Kobe Bryant.