College Basketball 2009-10

[Wilson A2000]

John Calipari is now the first coach in history to have a Final Four appearance vacated at two different schools: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12087903

 

Imagine if Kansas had not made that last-second shot. Memphis would have had their national championship rescinded correct?

[illiniguy]

John Calipari is now the first coach in history to have a Final Four appearance vacated at two different schools: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12087903

 

Imagine if Kansas had not made that last-second shot. Memphis would have had their national championship rescinded correct?

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe then they just leave it alone. Much like they did with K and the Corey Magette, Myron Piggie situation. Greg Doyel had a nice article about that.

[TruffleShuffle]

John Calipari is now the first coach in history to have a Final Four appearance vacated at two different schools: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12087903

 

Imagine if Kansas had not made that last-second shot. Memphis would have had their national championship rescinded correct?

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

vacating wins is the biggest joke punishment ever, so of course that's what the ncaa did.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

[nick23]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

Yes, Memphis is high profile. Three straight elite 8's and a sweet 16 is fairly good. And they'll probably return to the tournament again next year. I don't really even see an argument as to whether Memphis is considered high profile or not.

[bukie]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

Yes, Memphis is high profile. Three straight elite 8's and a sweet 16 is fairly good. And they'll probably return to the tournament again next year. I don't really even see an argument as to whether Memphis is considered high profile or not.

You mean, 2 straight elite eights and a sweet 16.

[nick23]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

Yes, Memphis is high profile. Three straight elite 8's and a sweet 16 is fairly good. And they'll probably return to the tournament again next year. I don't really even see an argument as to whether Memphis is considered high profile or not.

You mean, 2 straight elite eights and a sweet 16.

No, I meant 3. Not to mention a national title game thrown in there.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

Yes, Memphis is high profile. Three straight elite 8's and a sweet 16 is fairly good. And they'll probably return to the tournament again next year. I don't really even see an argument as to whether Memphis is considered high profile or not.

You mean, 2 straight elite eights and a sweet 16.

No, I meant 3. Not to mention a national title game thrown in there.

 

I don't recall that. I also don't see how a team that set the record for most losses in a season can be considered elite.

[nick23]

Feel free to look it up. Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

[SouthSideRyan]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

[illiniguy]

Feel free to look it up. Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

Did the "punishment" mean that WWWes is gone? If so, Memphis is done.

[SouthSideRyan]

Feel free to look it up. Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

Did the "punishment" mean that WWWes is gone? If so, Memphis is done.

 

I thought Calipari leaving meant that.

[illiniguy]

Feel free to look it up. Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

Did the "punishment" mean that WWWes is gone? If so, Memphis is done.

 

I thought Calipari leaving meant that.

Not sure, the guy that took over is a Cal guy. Memphis is still a Nike school. I think there is a chance that he still throws them a bone or two. But, the penalties and interest of the NCAA now on the program might run him away.

[nick23]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

[illiniguy]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

Really? You could be right, but I can't think there are that many. Pitt with Dixon comes to mind. Who else do you have?

[SouthSideRyan]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

 

There a lot of examples of shitty conference schools losing high profile coaches and not missing a beat?

[nick23]

Feel free to look it up. Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

Did the "punishment" mean that WWWes is gone? If so, Memphis is done.

 

I thought Calipari leaving meant that.

Not sure, the guy that took over is a Cal guy. Memphis is still a Nike school. I think there is a chance that he still throws them a bone or two. But, the penalties and interest of the NCAA now on the program might run him away.

He was with Cal one season. He's worked under two very successful coaches and is considered to be a great recruiter. He's already received a commitment from a top 5 senior in Will Barton. Joe Jackson, a top 15 player has Memphis as his top choice as well. Combine those two with Elliot Williams and you have a very good nucleus for the 2010-11 season.

[illiniguy]

Feel free to look it up. Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

Did the "punishment" mean that WWWes is gone? If so, Memphis is done.

 

I thought Calipari leaving meant that.

Not sure, the guy that took over is a Cal guy. Memphis is still a Nike school. I think there is a chance that he still throws them a bone or two. But, the penalties and interest of the NCAA now on the program might run him away.

He was with Cal one season. He's worked under two very successful coaches and is considered to be a great recruiter. He's already received a commitment from a top 5 senior in Will Barton. Joe Jackson, a top 15 player has Memphis as his top choice as well. Combine those two with Elliot Williams and you have a very good nucleus for the 2010-11 season.

You should still rack up a ton of wins in the conference your in, I wonder if you will still be as good in the tourny as you were under Cal? The big thing will be this season, imo. Those committed kids are doing so under the pretense of what Memphis was. You have to maintain that to keep realing those kids in. You have a pretty solid year this year and your new coach is as good of a recruiter as you say you should do ok.

Edited August 21, 2009 by illiniguy

[soapy]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

Really? You could be right, but I can't think there are that many. Pitt with Dixon comes to mind. Who else do you have?

 

Not that this proves his point but Butler and potentially Gonzaga come to mind. Moreso the former as far as "high-profile" coaches go.

[bukie]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

[illiniguy]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

Really? You could be right, but I can't think there are that many. Pitt with Dixon comes to mind. Who else do you have?

 

Not that this proves his point but Butler and potentially Gonzaga come to mind. Moreso the former as far as "high-profile" coaches go.

I don't think the level of success at those schools really are what he thinks, or hopes, Memphis will still attain though.

[nick23]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

The only thing similar about UMass and Memphis is the coach who left. Memphis had success well before Cal arrived. I never said we wouldn't miss a beat without Cal, sure this next season is going to be challenging but there's a lot of talent still on the team. And like I mentioned, the major recruits still have Memphis on their list. There's still a very good chance the program can stay on an elite level.

[illiniguy]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

The only thing similar about UMass and Memphis is the coach who left. Memphis had success well before Cal arrived. I never said we wouldn't miss a beat without Cal, sure this next season is going to be challenging but there's a lot of talent still on the team. And like I mentioned, the major recruits still have Memphis on their list. There's still a very good chance the program can stay on an elite level.

Umass has success before Cal as well. Maybe you have heard of Julius Erving?

[nick23]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

The only thing similar about UMass and Memphis is the coach who left. Memphis had success well before Cal arrived. I never said we wouldn't miss a beat without Cal, sure this next season is going to be challenging but there's a lot of talent still on the team. And like I mentioned, the major recruits still have Memphis on their list. There's still a very good chance the program can stay on an elite level.

Umass has success before Cal as well. Maybe you have heard of Julius Erving?

They had one NCAA appearance from 1950 to the Cal era. I meant actual success.

[Guest]

I just wish one of these times, Cal actually got punished. Not just the school he cuts and runs from.

 

How long before Kentucky is sanctioned?