College Basketball 2009-10

[Vanilla Ice]

Elliot Williams is transferring away from Duke to be closer to his home (Memphis). The reason is an undisclosed family medical reason. This is a shame on a lot of levels. One, he was my favorite player on the team last year and seemed like a great guy. I hope everything ends up well for him.

 

This leaves two scholarship guards on Duke next year: Jon Scheyer and Nolan Smith. Singler is going to have to start at the 3 and maybe even see some time at shooting guard (!). Smith has a problem with picking up cheap fouls so it will be interesting to see. Duke really needed to get Wall or to keep Henderson, even before this news. The 2010-2011 team should be really good, but next year will be very down. Duke has played small for the last several years and Singler had been the starting center in a lot of their games. It will be an interesting team to watch this year, with 6 players that should play as a power foward or center and only two guards. I really wish Seth Curry was eligible this year.

 

Lineup

 

PG: Smith/Scheyer

SG: Scheyer/Singler

SF: Singler/Kelly

PF: Thomas/Mason Plumlee

C: Zoubek/Miles Plumlee

 

I believe Pocius still has another year of eligibility.

He announced that he was skipping it and graduated this spring, I believe

[illiniguy]

Jordan leaving was the best thing to happen to the U of I, Weber should be thankful he likely talked Jordan out of that scholarship. It's an unethical way of doing things, but every program does when there are worse players taking scholarships away from better players who now can be recruited with that spot opening up.

Right, having Michael Jordan involved with the U of I program was an awful thing. I with Jeff would have kept playing, but understand him not wanting to do so.

[UK1679666180]

Jordan leaving was the best thing to happen to the U of I, Weber should be thankful he likely talked Jordan out of that scholarship. It's an unethical way of doing things, but every program does when there are worse players taking scholarships away from better players who now can be recruited with that spot opening up.

Right, having Michael Jordan involved with the U of I program was an awful thing. I with Jeff would have kept playing, but understand him not wanting to do so.

 

He probably wanted to keep playing but there wasn't room for him. It's a polite way of saying, "we have someone better than you but we need that back to get him, you're probably better off leaving gracefully."

 

Every team does it, it's just funny how some sugarcoat it as it's better than getting cut.

 

Also, you're lying to yourself or for some reason I can't figure out a Jeffrey Jordan fan b/c he wasn't very good. If I was an Illini fan, I would be pleased that the scholly might go to someone more useful than someone who's there b/c of his father. What limited action he had that I seen, he wasn't very good.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jordan leaving was the best thing to happen to the U of I, Weber should be thankful he likely talked Jordan out of that scholarship. It's an unethical way of doing things, but every program does when there are worse players taking scholarships away from better players who now can be recruited with that spot opening up.

Right, having Michael Jordan involved with the U of I program was an awful thing. I with Jeff would have kept playing, but understand him not wanting to do so.

 

He probably wanted to keep playing but there wasn't room for him. It's a polite way of saying, "we have someone better than you but we need that back to get him, you're probably better off leaving gracefully."

 

Every team does it, it's just funny how some sugarcoat it as it's better than getting cut.

 

Also, you're lying to yourself or for some reason I can't figure out a Jeffrey Jordan fan b/c he wasn't very good. If I was an Illini fan, I would be pleased that the scholly might go to someone more useful than someone who's there b/c of his father. What limited action he had that I seen, he wasn't very good.

 

Do you have me foed?

[UK1679666180]

Jordan leaving was the best thing to happen to the U of I, Weber should be thankful he likely talked Jordan out of that scholarship. It's an unethical way of doing things, but every program does when there are worse players taking scholarships away from better players who now can be recruited with that spot opening up.

Right, having Michael Jordan involved with the U of I program was an awful thing. I with Jeff would have kept playing, but understand him not wanting to do so.

 

He probably wanted to keep playing but there wasn't room for him. It's a polite way of saying, "we have someone better than you but we need that back to get him, you're probably better off leaving gracefully."

 

Every team does it, it's just funny how some sugarcoat it as it's better than getting cut.

 

Also, you're lying to yourself or for some reason I can't figure out a Jeffrey Jordan fan b/c he wasn't very good. If I was an Illini fan, I would be pleased that the scholly might go to someone more useful than someone who's there b/c of his father. What limited action he had that I seen, he wasn't very good.

 

Do you have me foed?

 

No, should I?

 

What you said was completely different than that phony statement was that made to the press yesterday about wanting to concentrate solely on academics. I'm sure they told him what you said as far as needing that scholly for another player, but what was said to the public was different.

[snoodmonger]

Jordan leaving was the best thing to happen to the U of I, Weber should be thankful he likely talked Jordan out of that scholarship. It's an unethical way of doing things, but every program does when there are worse players taking scholarships away from better players who now can be recruited with that spot opening up.

Right, having Michael Jordan involved with the U of I program was an awful thing. I with Jeff would have kept playing, but understand him not wanting to do so.

 

He probably wanted to keep playing but there wasn't room for him. It's a polite way of saying, "we have someone better than you but we need that back to get him, you're probably better off leaving gracefully."

 

Every team does it, it's just funny how some sugarcoat it as it's better than getting cut.

 

Also, you're lying to yourself or for some reason I can't figure out a Jeffrey Jordan fan b/c he wasn't very good. If I was an Illini fan, I would be pleased that the scholly might go to someone more useful than someone who's there b/c of his father. What limited action he had that I seen, he wasn't very good.

 

Do you have me foed?

 

No, should I?

 

What you said was completely different than that phony statement was that made to the press yesterday about wanting to concentrate solely on academics. I'm sure they told him what you said as far as needing that scholly for another player, but what was said to the public was different.

 

 

I guess I'm confused. How would yanking his hoops scholly affect whether he stayed with the team? He could have remained as a preferred walkon. According to SSR, he has an academic scholly. And even if he didn't, I think MJ could scrape together instate tuition. Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, it seems pretty obvious he didn't want to continue playing, not that he was forced out.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jordan leaving was the best thing to happen to the U of I, Weber should be thankful he likely talked Jordan out of that scholarship. It's an unethical way of doing things, but every program does when there are worse players taking scholarships away from better players who now can be recruited with that spot opening up.

Right, having Michael Jordan involved with the U of I program was an awful thing. I with Jeff would have kept playing, but understand him not wanting to do so.

 

He probably wanted to keep playing but there wasn't room for him. It's a polite way of saying, "we have someone better than you but we need that back to get him, you're probably better off leaving gracefully."

 

Every team does it, it's just funny how some sugarcoat it as it's better than getting cut.

 

Also, you're lying to yourself or for some reason I can't figure out a Jeffrey Jordan fan b/c he wasn't very good. If I was an Illini fan, I would be pleased that the scholly might go to someone more useful than someone who's there b/c of his father. What limited action he had that I seen, he wasn't very good.

 

Do you have me foed?

 

No, should I?

 

What you said was completely different than that phony statement was that made to the press yesterday about wanting to concentrate solely on academics. I'm sure they told him what you said as far as needing that scholly for another player, but what was said to the public was different.

 

Jeff Jordan had a scholarship for 1 semester at Illinois. You'd have to think Bruce Weber is some sort of raging buffoon to give a guy a scholarship midseason and then realize 4 months later, holy [expletive] what'd I do that for, he's a walkon!!! Time to yank his scholly, embarrassing him enough that he won't walk on anymore, and to finish my dastardly plan, I'll only use 12 scholarships in the '09-'10 season.

[UK1679666180]

Why would they want him as a walk-on after they improved the squad as he was likely the last guy to make the team (that likely has reasons beyond basketball talent/nepotism)? He basically got cut. He worked hard at U of I with minimal talent, I believe that he knew if they were to get a better player, the scholly would go to that player. But with the roster limit at 13, there were probably better walk-ons than him and he was cut. Not this BS story of wanting to concentrate on academics. He was likely doing fine academically as a student-athlete.

[UK1679666180]

 

Jeff Jordan had a scholarship for 1 semester at Illinois. You'd have to think Bruce Weber is some sort of raging buffoon to give a guy a scholarship midseason and then realize 4 months later, holy [expletive] what'd I do that for, he's a walkon!!! Time to yank his scholly, embarrassing him enough that he won't walk on anymore, and to finish my dastardly plan, I'll only use 12 scholarships in the '09-'10 season.

 

There's probably some late recruit that U of I didn't think they were in on that will likely come in for the upcoming season or that there would be a scholly avail. for a recruit that isn't there and needed it.

 

They did embarrass him, they just made it look like his choice of leaving.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ping, trust the guys who are unhealthily obsessed with Illinois basketball.

 

1. Jordan got actual minutes this season.

2. Jordan was entering this season as 4th on the depth chart of a 3 guard offense.

3. Again, Jordan was given a scholarship 6 months ago.

4. Illinois had a full '10 class before giving Jordan the scholarship.

5. Illinois will play this season with 12 scholarship players.

6. Bubba Chisholm will be a walk on for the Illinois basketball team this year.

7. Jeff Jordan is a better player than Bubba Chisholm.

8. There is no limit to the number of walks on you can have(if there is, it's certainly higher than 2.)

[UK1679666180]

I don't buy it, it happens too much in college basketball at solid every program that does well recruiting like U of I or schools that changes coaches and they bring in their own recruits. It's the nature of the beast. Sugarcoat it as far as him leaving the program, but the only reason they had to make that press release is because of the Jordan name. Jeffrey prob. is an outstanding student and busting his rear end off for Weber which is why he got it a few months ago for his hard work.

[snoodmonger]

I think you're way off Ping.

 

I highly doubt he was forced out. And it's even less likely there are other walkons better than him.

[illiniguy]

I think you're way off Ping.

 

I highly doubt he was forced out. And it's even less likely there are other walkons better than him.

If Jordan was forced out you can kiss goodbye all the guys that were giving us looks because of WWWes. Weber would have to be a moran to do anything to force Michael Jordan's kids off the team.

[Magnetic Curses]

I don't buy it, it happens too much in college basketball at solid every program that does well recruiting like U of I or schools that changes coaches and they bring in their own recruits. It's the nature of the beast. Sugarcoat it as far as him leaving the program, but the only reason they had to make that press release is because of the Jordan name. Jeffrey prob. is an outstanding student and busting his rear end off for Weber which is why he got it a few months ago for his hard work.

 

there's a lot more to this story than what you're thinking. no way was he forced off the team, there's just no way.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't buy it, it happens too much in college basketball at solid every program that does well recruiting like U of I or schools that changes coaches and they bring in their own recruits. It's the nature of the beast. Sugarcoat it as far as him leaving the program, but the only reason they had to make that press release is because of the Jordan name. Jeffrey prob. is an outstanding student and busting his rear end off for Weber which is why he got it a few months ago for his hard work.

 

there's a lot more to this story than what you're thinking. no way was he forced off the team, there's just no way.

 

And it's not no way man, we wouldn't do that to a kid. It's no way man, he was going to play 15+ minutes per game and would be our best returning defender.

[illiniguy]

I don't buy it, it happens too much in college basketball at solid every program that does well recruiting like U of I or schools that changes coaches and they bring in their own recruits. It's the nature of the beast. Sugarcoat it as far as him leaving the program, but the only reason they had to make that press release is because of the Jordan name. Jeffrey prob. is an outstanding student and busting his rear end off for Weber which is why he got it a few months ago for his hard work.

 

there's a lot more to this story than what you're thinking. no way was he forced off the team, there's just no way.

 

And it's not no way man, we wouldn't do that to a kid. It's no way man, he was going to play 15+ minutes per game and would be our best returning defender.

He was probably going to start, at least until DJ got adjusted to the college level.

[Keener98]

I don't buy it, it happens too much in college basketball at solid every program that does well recruiting like U of I or schools that changes coaches and they bring in their own recruits. It's the nature of the beast. Sugarcoat it as far as him leaving the program, but the only reason they had to make that press release is because of the Jordan name. Jeffrey prob. is an outstanding student and busting his rear end off for Weber which is why he got it a few months ago for his hard work.

 

there's a lot more to this story than what you're thinking. no way was he forced off the team, there's just no way.

 

And it's not no way man, we wouldn't do that to a kid. It's no way man, he was going to play 15+ minutes per game and would be our best returning defender.

 

Exactly. Ping is acting like this was some normal garbage walk on player, who only seen time at end of blowouts. Jordan contributed to this team last year, and would have been like you said, the Illinis best returning defender. Jordan was never going to be a great star, but he had his place on a good team.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I am almost positive this has a heck of a lot more to do with Nike, than it does with Weber. JJ has been interning with them, and it wouldn't surprise me if that is what he wants to devote his time and energy to. It wouldn't surprise me at all if JJ ends up running the Jordan Brand in the coming years. Best of luck to the young man, I hope he succeeds in accomplishing his goals outside of basketball.

[Keener98]

Sampsons appeal denied. Best thing the NCAA has done in a long time

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/ncaa/06/30/sampson.ap/index.html

[gflore34]

Sampsons appeal denied. Best thing the NCAA has done in a long time

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/ncaa/06/30/sampson.ap/index.html

 

Excellent! Perhaps, that'll clear it up once and for Sporting New's DeCourcey (wrote an apologetic article a few months ago, along with defending his actions concerning the recruitment of Eric Gordon) the guy' a liar and a cheater.

[SouthSideRyan]

Snood, anything going to happen with Henry, or is this just the dad being a jackass?

[snoodmonger]

Snood, anything going to happen with Henry, or is this just the dad being a jackass?

 

 

Both, I think. I think they'll go to UK, and it all smells a little shady to me. Since he couldn't sign an LOI, the Henrys are free to go wherever they want as long as they haven't set foot in a classroom. The prevailing opinion is that he agreed to go to KU assuming Meeks was going to return from UK. When Meeks stayed in, he and Cal started talking again, and now he's thinking UK again.

 

I think the dad has been drumming up controversy to smokescreen his way out of his commitment and make his family look like the victim. And that's what pisses me off the most. Especially since he and his wife went to KU, and the dad played there. Crappy way to treat your own alma mater.

 

It's a bummer, because it likely takes us out of the running for the national championship. And it's not hard to believe Cal has been angling for this, beginning with when he ran off Pilgrim to open a scholly.

 

At this point, though, I just want it to be over. I'm sick of reading about this and hearing all the whining--from the Henrys, the KU fans, the UK fans. The KU board is awful right now-- like 10 times worse than an NSBB game thread where we're losing to StL. Ugh.

[snoodmonger]

Or not. Now it's being reported he'll stay with Kansas, and that's that. Whatever. I'll believe it when I see him suited up.

[SouthSideRyan]

My gut instinct was they were staying at KU, but Carl wanted to let Self know not to [expletive] with him.

 

I think the interesting part no matter where they go is what either coach does with CJ. From all accounts he doesn't deserve any legit minutes right away but Dad seems to think he's 1 and done. Is this just more blustering from the dad, or does he honestly believe this crap. I wouldn't be shocked to see CJ moving on to a new school for 2010 no matter where he lands this year.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Snood, anything going to happen with Henry, or is this just the dad being a jackass?

 

 

Both, I think. I think they'll go to UK, and it all smells a little shady to me. Since he couldn't sign an LOI, the Henrys are free to go wherever they want as long as they haven't set foot in a classroom. The prevailing opinion is that he agreed to go to KU assuming Meeks was going to return from UK. When Meeks stayed in, he and Cal started talking again, and now he's thinking UK again.

 

I think the dad has been drumming up controversy to smokescreen his way out of his commitment and make his family look like the victim. And that's what pisses me off the most. Especially since he and his wife went to KU, and the dad played there. Crappy way to treat your own alma mater.

 

It's a bummer, because it likely takes us out of the running for the national championship. And it's not hard to believe Cal has been angling for this, beginning with when he ran off Pilgrim to open a scholly.

 

At this point, though, I just want it to be over. I'm sick of reading about this and hearing all the whining--from the Henrys, the KU fans, the UK fans. The KU board is awful right now-- like 10 times worse than an NSBB game thread where we're losing to StL. Ugh.

 

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