Who wants a Mark Prior update?

[erik316wttn]

I agree with Meph on this - aside from pure speculation based largely on conventional wisdom, I've never seen proof that the string of games or any other is responsible for Prior's injury woes (or any other pitcher). Heck, you could just as easily blame Marcus Giles.

 

I think it's rather ridiculous to dismiss the inordinately heavy workload and mistreatment of Prior simply because the evidence isn't conclusive. At his age, the amount of high pitch count games, back to back, and going back in after a shoulder injury, was bound to contribute to injury. It's not just three random games. It was something like a 20-game stretch of just ridiculous treatment.

 

And to the naysayers.... when, exactly, does a high pitch count become a problem? What if he had averaged 120 pitches per start over the course of the season? What if he'd been left in for 200? Would you still say his workload had nothing to do with his breaking down?

[Mephistopheles]

I agree with Meph on this - aside from pure speculation based largely on conventional wisdom, I've never seen proof that the string of games or any other is responsible for Prior's injury woes (or any other pitcher). Heck, you could just as easily blame Marcus Giles.

 

I think it's rather ridiculous to dismiss the inordinately heavy workload and mistreatment of Prior simply because the evidence isn't conclusive. At his age, the amount of high pitch count games, back to back, and going back in after a shoulder injury, was bound to contribute to injury. It's not just three random games. It was something like a 20-game stretch of just ridiculous treatment.

 

Ask yourself this: Why is a 120 pitch count a high pitch count?

[Tarver]

I agree with Meph on this - aside from pure speculation based largely on conventional wisdom, I've never seen proof that the string of games or any other is responsible for Prior's injury woes (or any other pitcher). Heck, you could just as easily blame Marcus Giles.

 

I think it's rather ridiculous to dismiss the inordinately heavy workload and mistreatment of Prior simply because the evidence isn't conclusive. At his age, the amount of high pitch count games, back to back, and going back in after a shoulder injury, was bound to contribute to injury. It's not just three random games. It was something like a 20-game stretch of just ridiculous treatment.

 

Ask yourself this: Why is a 120 pitch count a high pitch count?

 

Ask yourself this: what's your personal projection Meph? How many innings do you think he can throw, just this year?

[mul21]

I agree with Meph on this - aside from pure speculation based largely on conventional wisdom, I've never seen proof that the string of games or any other is responsible for Prior's injury woes (or any other pitcher). Heck, you could just as easily blame Marcus Giles.

 

I think it's rather ridiculous to dismiss the inordinately heavy workload and mistreatment of Prior simply because the evidence isn't conclusive. At his age, the amount of high pitch count games, back to back, and going back in after a shoulder injury, was bound to contribute to injury. It's not just three random games. It was something like a 20-game stretch of just ridiculous treatment.

 

Ask yourself this: Why is a 120 pitch count a high pitch count?

 

Because physiologists who know a whole lot more about physiology and pitching mechanics than anybody here have noted that when you reach somewhere in that neighborhood, your mechanics start to break down due to fatigue and that increases your chances of injury.

 

It's the same as over training or overworking in any other sport. You become more injury prone. I'm training for a marathon right now and the general rule of thumb is that it's better to arrive at the starting line a little under trained than it is to not get there at all because you over trained and got injured. The human body can only handle so much work load before it starts to break down. Some are equipped to handle it better than others.

[Mephistopheles]

You didn't answer the question. There is only one correct answer. And it has nothing to do with baseball.

[Derwood]

yawn

[Fred Hornkohl]

Will somebody please upload some coffee for Derwood ?? He's having trouble staying awake.

 

 

Thanx.

[Derwood]

Will somebody please upload some coffee for Derwood ?? He's having trouble staying awake.

 

 

Thanx.

 

cream and sugar please

[Roast]

Will somebody please upload some coffee for Derwood ?? He's having trouble staying awake.

 

 

Thanx.

 

cream and sugar please

 

Would you like the fancy sounding "grande latte" that costs 29 dollars and comes in the fancy paper cup (and tastes like turd water)?

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Orrr...

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[abuck1220]

You didn't answer the question. There is only one correct answer. And it has nothing to do with baseball.

 

is it hidden in your post like the da vinci code or something? i'm dying to know.

[SouthSideRyan]

The horse's name is Friday.

[abuck1220]

you don't bury survivors.

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree with Meph on this - aside from pure speculation based largely on conventional wisdom, I've never seen proof that the string of games or any other is responsible for Prior's injury woes (or any other pitcher). Heck, you could just as easily blame Marcus Giles.

 

I think it's rather ridiculous to dismiss the inordinately heavy workload and mistreatment of Prior simply because the evidence isn't conclusive. At his age, the amount of high pitch count games, back to back, and going back in after a shoulder injury, was bound to contribute to injury. It's not just three random games. It was something like a 20-game stretch of just ridiculous treatment.

 

Ask yourself this: Why is a 120 pitch count a high pitch count?

 

I'm not sure why you ask this random quesiton that doesn't address what I wrote in my post. I didn't say 120 was some magic cutoff point.

 

It has to do with the fact that pitching is an inherently risky endeavor, the more you do it, the more you open yourself up to injury. It is unlike any other motion in major sports in that it, in and of itself, can end your career. Most major football injuries involve getting hit by somebody else, or trying to avoid getting hit. But pitching is just a guy injuring himself.

 

Young pitchers are especially vulnerable. You can't just give a guy the ball and tell him to pitch his balls off to a modern major league lineup, where a mistake to the slightest hitter can be put in the stands, and ignore limits. 120 is high because it's more than most are used to throwing and more than most throw. 120 pitches means 120 high intensity pitches, but another 50-100 more warm up tosses in pregame and 10 or more in between innings.

 

It is probably possible to build up stamina and avoid the pitfalls of too much work with time, and proper guidance. But jumping right into the big end of the pool, with a manager who routinely rides his pitchers harder than others, and continuing to have a guy throw after already sustaining a shoulder injury, is just asking for more trouble. Mark Prior was a 120-130 inning pitcher from age 19-21, then, at 22, threw 212 regular season innings, and another 23+ postseason innings, many of them in extremely high intensity situations. Absolutely no care was taken to try and limit the wear on his young arm early in that season, and quite obviously very little thought was put into trying to prevent or monitor injuries, considering he landed on his effing should in the middle of a game and was still thrown out there. Dusty Baker treated an extremely valuable organizational asset with absolute reckless abandon, trying to squeeze every possible pitch out of him early and often, and quite obviously contributing to the destruction of his career.

[Mephistopheles]

Nope, that wouldn't be it either.

[imb]

meph just spit it out so everyone can see how wrong you are

[abuck1220]

i got it...the surgeon was the patient's mother.

[cubbinalltheway]

Nope, that wouldn't be it either.

god youre annoying. what the hell is the point of a post like this?

[Derwood]

Prior stood on a block of ice?

[17 Seconds]

i like corndogs

 

they are delicious

[samhainn77]

i like corndogs

 

they are delicious

 

This man tells the truth. I recommend dipping them in a mixture of Mustard and A1. Also, if you bake them you get the carnival effect on the breading.

[Roast]

Rosebud was the sled, guys.

[Sammy Sofa]

Meph is like the Riddler, but that really crappy Ridler when Gomez Adams played him instead of Frank Gorshin.

 

Here's a lovely olive shirt for him:

 

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[imb]

oh bruce willis was the dead one the whole time

[imb]

wait are we still doing this

[Derwood]

roosters don't lay eggs