Selig considering re-writing the record books?

[cubbinalltheway]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-02-11-selig-arod_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

i dont see how this can happen. unless you know for a fact that a person didn't cheat (which, we'll never know with aaron and all the other pre-testing guys) then how can you just say "oh i'm just gonna assume that he didn't, so he's the HR king."

 

thoughts?

[rocket]

I think Selig overall has been a decent commissioner. But you can't convince me he didn't know his players were juicing, he let it happen. For him to re-write the record books would be absurd. He did nothing to stop the players.

[OleMissCub]

This is pretty lame.

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-02-11-selig-arod_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

i dont see how this can happen. unless you know for a fact that a person didn't cheat (which, we'll never know with aaron and all the other pre-testing guys) then how can you just say "oh i'm just gonna assume that he didn't, so he's the HR king."

 

thoughts?

 

I think this is just the type of dumbass thing that Selig would do to bring negative attention to baseball.

[erik316wttn]

He's just posturing. Nothing will come of it. It's too much of a slippery slope, and far too late to do anything about those tainted numbers. He'd be far better saying that stats will be wiped out from this day forward of anyone who tests positive from here on out, although I still think he'd have a very hard time getting that to fly.

[Tanner_20]

selig must go. I liked him for the longest time, but this is it. He took over in '92. Sure, the A's of the late 80's had made their run, but we all knew why. Then Selig was in full-force as he watched the '94 world series cancelled under his watch. He then stood, smiled, and applauded as McGwire and Sosa grew the game, the record books, and the owners' pockets. He then threw Bonds under the Balco bus and prayed that it was over. Now, he is saying the A-Rod and others "shamed the game" by using PEDs.

 

Its on you, Bud. You messed up! You can't fix it, and now the entire baseball world is left to deal with the mess that you have left it in. Either stick to your guns or don't, man up! Do not pass the buck onto others. Resign.

 

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CubColtPacer: It is not allowed to use asterisks to get around the word filter. I edited this post.

[Bote McBoteface]

If they punish A-Rod for failing an anonymous test that 103 other people also failed, I'll stop watching baseball.

 

 

Ok, I won't. But I'll frown for the entirety of the first inning of the next baseball game I watch.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

They should remove from the record books anyone who ever tested positive for or admitted to using a PED.

 

Welcome back to the all-time HR lead, Babe Ruth.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball. They made people start watching again when theyd tired off it and the NBA was rising in poularity andtaking over. Selig has known what was going on for years. Tejada, Juan Gonzalez, Clemens, Ivan Rodriguez, Palmeiro, Giambi, these were some of the defining players of an era. These are the guys responsible for Seligs obscene salary. If they go, he should go. It only right for the captain to go down with the ship.

[The Voice of Reason]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball.

 

That's a myth. Baseball fans had come back before after strikes and they would have eventually come back again.

 

The steroid era was a black eye for baseball, made a mockery of legitimate records that had stood for years and it will be looked at by historians like the Black Sox scandal is viewed now but no Selig can't do anything about it now (he had his chance) and is just posturing.

[cubbinalltheway]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball.

 

That's a myth. Baseball fans had come back before after strikes and they would have eventually come back again.

no, it's definitely not a myth. sosa and mcgwire brought back plenty of fans. myself being one of them. to say that they didnt means that you just werent paying attention.

[Derwood]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball.

 

That's a myth. Baseball fans had come back before after strikes and they would have eventually come back again.

 

The steroid era was a black eye for baseball, made a mockery of legitimate records that had stood for years and it will be looked at by historians like the Black Sox scandal is viewed now but no Selig can't do anything about it now (he had his chance) and is just posturing.

 

note Wrigley attendance figures pre-1998 and post-1998

[The Voice of Reason]

They should remove from the record books anyone who ever tested positive for or admitted to using a PED.

 

Welcome back to the all-time HR lead, Babe Ruth.

 

Still waiting for you to supply any evidence on Aaron that is remotely comparable to the evidence (circumstantial of otherwise) against McGwire and Bonds.

 

Aaron played in a field nicknamed the lauching pad where it was 325 ft down the line and 1,000 feet above sea level (think Coors field before they started putting the balls in a humidor) yet he never even hit 50 homers.

 

http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/national/fulton.htm

 

With an altitude of more than 1,000 feet above sea level, Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium was (until the Colorado Rockies entered the major leagues) the highest park in the majors, which results in many homers and the nickname "the Launching Pad."

[The Voice of Reason]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball.

 

That's a myth. Baseball fans had come back before after strikes and they would have eventually come back again.

 

The steroid era was a black eye for baseball, made a mockery of legitimate records that had stood for years and it will be looked at by historians like the Black Sox scandal is viewed now but no Selig can't do anything about it now (he had his chance) and is just posturing.

 

note Wrigley attendance figures pre-1998 and post-1998

 

That's only one city. How about the other ML cities? How did baseball survive previous strikes without the Mark and Sammy show?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Aaron admitted to trying amphetamines without a prescription in his 1992 autobiography.

 

That eliminates him right there. Ruth is your all-time HR leader.

[The Voice of Reason]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball.

 

That's a myth. Baseball fans had come back before after strikes and they would have eventually come back again.

no, it's definitely not a myth. sosa and mcgwire brought back plenty of fans. myself being one of them. to say that they didnt means that you just werent paying attention.

 

Of course I was paying attention. I had McGwire in my home run pool.

 

It was an exciting year and brought in a some casual fans "who only dug the long ball" but do you really think baseball would have filed bankruptcy if the McGwire/Sosa home run race hadn't occured?

[The Voice of Reason]

Aaron admitted to trying amphetamines without a prescription in his 1992 autobiography.

 

That eliminates him right there. Ruth is your all-time HR leader.

 

That's the same thing as being on steroids and HGH for years. :roll:

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Aaron admitted to trying amphetamines without a prescription in his 1992 autobiography.

 

That eliminates him right there. Ruth is your all-time HR leader.

 

That's the same thing as being on steroids and HGH for years. :roll:

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

Okay, so let me get this straight:

 

It's okay to use illegal, performance-enhancing drugs, as long as you don't use the really good stuff?

[cubbinalltheway]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball.

 

That's a myth. Baseball fans had come back before after strikes and they would have eventually come back again.

no, it's definitely not a myth. sosa and mcgwire brought back plenty of fans. myself being one of them. to say that they didnt means that you just werent paying attention.

 

Of course I was paying attention. I had McGwire in my home run pool.

 

It was an exciting year and brought in a some casual fans "who only dug the long ball" but do you really think baseball would have filed bankruptcy if the McGwire/Sosa home run race hadn't occured?

filed bankruptcy? no. reached the level of popularity that it did as a direct result of the media craze surrounding sosa and mcgwire? also no. it didnt only bring in new casual fans, it also brought BACK long time fans.

[The Voice of Reason]

Aaron admitted to trying amphetamines without a prescription in his 1992 autobiography.

 

That eliminates him right there. Ruth is your all-time HR leader.

 

That's the same thing as being on steroids and HGH for years. :roll:

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

Okay, so let me get this straight:

 

It's okay to use illegal, performance-enhancing drugs, as long as you don't use the really good stuff?

 

I never said that but you're fooling yourself if you think greenies had the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH did during the steroid era.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Aaron admitted to trying amphetamines without a prescription in his 1992 autobiography.

 

That eliminates him right there. Ruth is your all-time HR leader.

 

That's the same thing as being on steroids and HGH for years. :roll:

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

Okay, so let me get this straight:

 

It's okay to use illegal, performance-enhancing drugs, as long as you don't use the really good stuff?

 

I never said that but you're fooling yourself if you think greenies had the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH did during the steroid era.

 

Then I guess it's a good thing that I never said that. You are beating up quite the strawman.

 

Okay, tell me this, then: What level and quality of illegal, performance-enhancing drugs does a player have to use before he gets left out of the record book? When is it okay, and when is it not?

[XZero771679666304]

Aaron admitted to trying amphetamines without a prescription in his 1992 autobiography.

 

That eliminates him right there. Ruth is your all-time HR leader.

 

That's the same thing as being on steroids and HGH for years. :roll:

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

I really think that it was so pervasive that there wasn't a whole lot of competitive edge to be gained. And at the time it was going on, it wasn't banned. Really, I think all the indignation over steroids is lame.

 

People can get up on their high horses, but you know they were all enjoying the hell out of it at the time.

 

There's always going to be a case to be made against someone. You could even say that the talent pool pre-1960's was so shallow that record holders from that era almost certainly wouldn't approach those records had they played today.

 

And there was a long stretch where damn near the entire league was geeked up on amphetamines.

 

You just can't go in and start re-writing the record books.

[fromthestretch]

Aaron played in a field nicknamed the lauching pad where it was 325 ft down the line and 1,000 feet above sea level (think Coors field before they started putting the balls in a humidor) yet he never even hit 50 homers.

 

This isn't the first time you've brought up the magical 50-homer mark. Do you really think steroids are the sole reason there have been more 50-homer seasons since Aaron's playing days? You don't think that smaller parks, better off-season and in-season training, use of video, better bats, etc. play a very big role in this? I asked this in a similar thread and never got a response.

 

Furthermore, why all the emphasis on homers? Where is the outrage over pitchers that used?

[Derwood]

not to mention allegedly juiced balls post-strike

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

Based on what?