Selig considering re-writing the record books?

[fromthestretch]

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

Based on what?

 

It's what sportswriters and broadcasters want you to believe.

[Derwood]

i would argue that sandpaper/spitballing has a more direct impact on a given game than any PED use

[E.J.]

Is Selig retiring soon? Can't come soon enough.

[Derwood]

Is Selig retiring soon? Can't come soon enough.

 

his successor will be MacPhail, so be careful what you wish for

[Backtobanks]

The bottom line is that you have no way of knowing which former players were "clean" (whatever that meant at that time) and which players weren't, so you just have to acknowledge this as the "Steroid Era" and move on. To clean up the game, you now have to put in random mandatory drug testing and make sure the players understand that the penalty is a lifetime ban from now on. You can't go back into the past and rewrite history.

[17 Seconds]

Bud Selig is such a joke

[The Voice of Reason]

 

Greenies, spit balls, sandpaper, blah, blah, blah - not close to having the same effect on the game as steroids and HGH.

 

Based on what?

 

The numbers that were put up.

[The Voice of Reason]

Aaron played in a field nicknamed the lauching pad where it was 325 ft down the line and 1,000 feet above sea level (think Coors field before they started putting the balls in a humidor) yet he never even hit 50 homers.

 

This isn't the first time you've brought up the magical 50-homer mark. Do you really think steroids are the sole reason there have been more 50-homer seasons since Aaron's playing days? You don't think that smaller parks, better off-season and in-season training, use of video, better bats, etc. play a very big role in this? I asked this in a similar thread and never got a response.

 

Furthermore, why all the emphasis on homers? Where is the outrage over pitchers that used?

 

If steroids wasn't a major reason for the dramatic increase in home runs during the steroid era why has there been such a dramatic drop off in home runs since drug testing was implemented? Did the parks all of a sudden start getting bigger again? Did the bats and training all of sudden get worse?

 

Of course not, the reason for the drop is because there was a drop off in steroid use by players.

 

Come on stat guys, look at the numbers.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

But we've already established that the players before were using PEDs too. The players of the 1990s just had better ones.

 

So you're problem isn't apparently with players using PEDs, it's with them using really good ones?

[Outshined_One]

But we've already established that the players before were using PEDs too. The players of the 1990s just had better ones.

 

So you're problem isn't apparently with players using PEDs, it's with them using really good ones?

 

There might be something to the juiced ball theory after all.

[badnews]

Am I the only one who dislikes Roger Clemens more than Barry Bonds? Take away all of Roger Clemens' Cy Young Awards while we're at it. Roger Clemens just cheated Randy Johnson out of 2 Cy Young Awards.

[cubbieinexile]

If Bud Selig got his wish here would be the new home run leader list:

 

Harmon Killebrew

Jimmie Foxx

Manny Ramirez

Frank Thomas

Ted Williams

Ernie Banks

Mel Ott

Eddie Murray

Carl Yastrzemski

Jeff Bagwell

[TruffleShuffle]

If Bud Selig got his wish here would be the new home run leader list:

 

Harmon Killebrew

Jimmie Foxx

Manny Ramirez

Frank Thomas

Ted Williams

Ernie Banks

Mel Ott

Eddie Murray

Carl Yastrzemski

Jeff Bagwell

 

wut

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Bud Selig got his wish here would be the new home run leader list:

 

Harmon Killebrew

Jimmie Foxx

Manny Ramirez

Frank Thomas

Ted Williams

Ernie Banks

Mel Ott

Eddie Murray

Carl Yastrzemski

Jeff Bagwell

 

I'm not so sure Bagwell wasn't a juicer.

[cubbieinexile]

He might very well have but I can't find anything that points to it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

He might very well have but I can't find anything that points to it.

 

There's as much pointing to Bagwell as Sosa.

[cubbieinexile]

If there is I haven't seen it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If there is I haven't seen it.

 

What exactly points to Sosa that doesn't point to Bagwell?

[cubbieinexile]

Everything?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Everything?

 

Umm...try again. The only thing pointing to Sosa is conjecture. The same conjectures can be made of Bagwell.

[cubbieinexile]

Okay, I'll try again.

 

 

Everything?

 

 

The point of the list isn't to create some kind of "truth". I'm sure that some of the names on that list are not squeaky clean but we do not have anything above the quietest whisper on those names.

 

If you want to say that Sosa and Bagwell are in the same boat that is fine but that isn't reality.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Okay, I'll try again.

 

 

Everything?

 

 

The point of the list isn't to create some kind of "truth". I'm sure that some of the names on that list are not squeaky clean but we do not have anything above the quietest whisper on those names.

 

If you want to say that Sosa and Bagwell are in the same boat that is fine but that isn't reality.

 

 

And you've yet to tell me why they aren't.

[cubbieinexile]

You got me.

 

Bagwell and Sosa are in the exact same boat. The whole entire world sees it that way except me. I will now promptly change my opinion about Bagwell. Thank you.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If there is I haven't seen it.

 

What exactly points to Sosa that doesn't point to Bagwell?

 

A proven history of attempted cheating.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If there is I haven't seen it.

 

What exactly points to Sosa that doesn't point to Bagwell?

 

A proven history of attempted cheating.