ESPN: Cedeno & Olson Traded for Heilman (P. 4)

[jersey cubs fan]

It seems to me the goal of any transaction, or any series of transactions, is to get better now, or prepare to get better in the future. I don't believe the Cubs have improved one bit from where they were last year, and they may have actually hurt the future even more.

[kujay]

I was lukewarm on this before. But including Olson?

 

So we just traded Pie and Cedeno for Heilman.

 

WTFF?!

[PrimeTime]

Roto's view on it

 

ESPN.com reports that Garrett Olson is the third player in the Aaron Heilman-Ronny Cedeno deal between the Cubs and Mariners.

 

OK, now it's looking up a bit for Seattle. Olson is a more valuable property than Cedeno, even if he shouldn't fit on the major league team immediately. The Mariners have better options for their rotation right now and can send Olsen down to get some additional Triple-A time.

[17 Seconds]

We really need Bruce to weigh in and tell us WTF is going on, since he has been saying that Hendry will go hard after Peavy as soon as he has the go ahead from ownership.

 

SO what has changed? Either the Padres are no longer shopping Peavy, the Cubs are no longer interested in Peavy, or the Padres are no longer interested in Olson. Which is it?

[Old Style]

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[Cubswin11]

I hope Hendry still lands Peavy, and this offseason can still be viewed as possibly a good one (time will tell). My fear is that the remanining moves end up being something like: sign Paul Bako, trade Rich Hill for a bag of baseballs and a half eaten mcrib, sign Juan Uribe to back up SS-3B, call it good.

That's what I fear happening as well, except it might be a whole Mcrib. I could also see us signing a Jason Jennings, Josh Fogg, Kip Wells type pitcher to a minor league deal and invite them to ST to compete for the 5th starter spot.

[Ivy.n.Denver]

Well, he is murder on right-handed hitters - .601 OPS over the last 3 season.

 

Of course with his sucky overall numbers you can guess how he fares against lefties.

[Backtobanks]

Let's all relax until the dust settles. If anyone thinks Hendry is through trading, they aren't paying attention. I'm sure that if Hendry trades for Peavy without including Marshall or Vitters some of you will jump all over him for giving up 5 prospects.

[pitchcs]

I'm actually fairly happy that Cedeno is gone as I have never been a big fan.

 

Including Olson is a whole different story however.

[cubsfan26]

Cedeno for Heilman would have been an okay trade.

Olson for Heilman would have been a bleh trade, but it wouldn't have been terrible.

 

 

Ronny Cedeno has very little value, the Cubs would be lucky to get a mediocre minor league reliever for him. I knew from day one that the Cubs weren't gonna get Cedeno for Heilman straight up. Olson obviously is the guy with the value in this trade, but I don't think he has a ton of value either. People are just pissed off because they thought Olson was part of a Peavy deal. But nobody ever said we had to have Olson to get Peavy.

[PrimeTime]

Awesome. Now this sets up the Paul Bako signing then we can finally get Braden Looper or Wolf. Yippy

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ive never been a big Hendry basher in the past, but the way this off season has gone, IM seriously questioning his contract extension.

 

-The result Bradley addition remains to be seen

-He couldnt wait to jump all over Dempster for 4 years, and now similar pitchers are available at significantly discounted prices

-Trades DeRosa for a handful of low level prospects, supposedly so he could afford Bradley

-Gives up Pie for a one time pitching prospect, and then flips said prospect along with our backup short stop for yet another onetime pitching prospect of equal or lesser value

-But look on the bright side, we could get Paul Bako and Juan Uribe. Yay us.

[RammyFanny]

Well, he is murder on right-handed hitters - .601 OPS over the last 3 season.

 

Of course with his sucky overall numbers you can guess how he fares against lefties.

Between him and Vizcaino, we have some kick arse roogy's.

[cubbinalltheway]

i'm beginning to think that it's more and more naive to think that hendry has based his EVERY MOVE this offseason on acquiring jake peavy, as some have suggested.

 

trading dero? oh it's just cause the padres want those three guys and we need to free up money to get peavy too.

 

trading pie? yeah, well the padres want olson.

 

now what??

[17 Seconds]

Let's all relax until the dust settles. If anyone thinks Hendry is through trading, they aren't paying attention. I'm sure that if Hendry trades for Peavy without including Marshall or Vitters some of you will jump all over him for giving up 5 prospects.

 

I don't see how Hendry has earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt this offseason. Also, whether ot nor he makes other moves doesn't really excuse some of the other dumb things he's done. Getting as little as he did for DeRosa is basd. Giving Miles the contract he did is bad. Giving Bradley what he didis bad. Trading Cedeno and Olson for Heilman is bad. Those are bad moves, regardless of what follows them.

[17 Seconds]

i'm beginning to think that it's more and more naive to think that hendry has based his EVERY MOVE this offseason on acquiring jake peavy, as some have suggested.

 

trading dero? oh it's just cause the padres want those three guys and we need to free up money to get peavy too.

 

trading pie? yeah, well the padres want olson.

 

now what??

 

I thought it was kind of naive to begin with

[jersey cubs fan]

What valuable commodities? Just because some Cubs fans think these guys have value doesn't mean they do.

 

Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well. How is that more valuable than a young SS and pitcher, both who have yet to reach their prime, that have upside? I'm not saying these are the types of guys you trade straight up for top notch players. But their youth alone adds value to a team stock full of 30 year olds on free agent pay scale contracts. The Cubs are going to struggle over the next few years to fill vacant roster spots with their own people. They are going to have to trade and/or pay up for guys that don't really help much (guys like Heilman).

[cubbinalltheway]

Let's all relax until the dust settles. If anyone thinks Hendry is through trading, they aren't paying attention. I'm sure that if Hendry trades for Peavy without including Marshall or Vitters some of you will jump all over him for giving up 5 prospects.

 

I don't see how Hendry has earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt this offseason. Also, whether ot nor he makes other moves doesn't really excuse some of the other dumb things he's done. Getting as little as he did for DeRosa is basd. Giving Miles the contract he did is bad. Giving Bradley what he didis bad. Trading Cedeno and Olson for Heilman is bad. Those are bad moves, regardless of what follows them.

that's awfully myopic.

 

one man's trash is another's treasure. if the "little" he got for dero turns around and nets something better than dero, that's a good trade. etc.

[hankp101]

Just trying to stay positive here, so bear with me. What if Hendry no longer sees Peavy as an option, and is looking at a Sheets signing? He would need to clear roster space, and might want a guy like Heilman that is serviceable in the bullpen or as a starter with the added injury risk a Sheets type would bring, or maybe even a Curt Schilling that won't be ready until later in the season? Edited January 28, 2009 by hankp101

[cubbinalltheway]

What valuable commodities? Just because some Cubs fans think these guys have value doesn't mean they do.

 

Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well.

yeah, thats not true. its already been shown that he's very effective against right handed hitters.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well. How is that more valuable than a young SS and pitcher, both who have yet to reach their prime, that have upside? I'm not saying these are the types of guys you trade straight up for top notch players. But their youth alone adds value to a team stock full of 30 year olds on free agent pay scale contracts. The Cubs are going to struggle over the next few years to fill vacant roster spots with their own people. They are going to have to trade and/or pay up for guys that don't really help much (guys like Heilman).

 

Olson is 25 and Cedeno is about to be 26. By most reckonings, they are in their primes right now, and not very good.

 

The only problem here is that Hendry, as you more or less said, can't tell that cheap mediocrity is better than expensive mediocrity.

[17 Seconds]

Let's all relax until the dust settles. If anyone thinks Hendry is through trading, they aren't paying attention. I'm sure that if Hendry trades for Peavy without including Marshall or Vitters some of you will jump all over him for giving up 5 prospects.

 

I don't see how Hendry has earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt this offseason. Also, whether ot nor he makes other moves doesn't really excuse some of the other dumb things he's done. Getting as little as he did for DeRosa is basd. Giving Miles the contract he did is bad. Giving Bradley what he didis bad. Trading Cedeno and Olson for Heilman is bad. Those are bad moves, regardless of what follows them.

that's awfully myopic.

 

one man's trash is another's treasure. if the "little" he got for dero turns around and nets something better than dero, that's a good trade. etc.

 

Okay let's pretend for a second that these most recent trades are setting up for something bigger (which seems pretty unlikely

 

What about the Miles signing? The Bradley signing? Ceda for Gregg? Not offering Wood arbitration? Dempster's contract? None of those things are leading to anything else.

[jersey cubs fan]

What valuable commodities? Just because some Cubs fans think these guys have value doesn't mean they do.

 

Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well.

yeah, thats not true. its already been shown that he's very effective against right handed hitters.

 

And that's dime a dozen.

[17 Seconds]

What valuable commodities? Just because some Cubs fans think these guys have value doesn't mean they do.

 

Heilman is a dime a dozen reliever who does nothing particularly well.

yeah, thats not true. its already been shown that he's very effective against right handed hitters.

 

Didn't you just call him a "terrible swingman"?

[SCCubbieFAN]

I'm not crazy about this trade either unless it eventually leads to something better, but many of you on this board were not all that enamored with Olson and his $4mil+ salary to begin with, nor with the possibility that he would replace Wood as the closer. So now he and his hefty salary are gone. I guess the bigger question is who is going to close? Marmol??