Soriano Market?

[Sever82]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

[laurens]

Yea, that's not gonna happen.

[Sever82]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

 

 

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

[BigbadB]

There is no market for Soriano. He's been hurt/playing hurt for the past two seasons. His contract doesn't mesh well with the current economic climate.

[Sever82]

There is no market for Soriano. He's been hurt/playing hurt for the past two seasons. His contract doesn't mesh well with the current economic climate.

 

Thats true but too many people are jumping the gun in thinking Soriano is Injury Prone. Before he signed with the cubs he was a 150+ games a season type of player. I wouldn't close the book on the guy or think he has no worth or that he's an average player after only two seasons with the Cubs. I understand the Cubs Fan mentality is if a player doesn't produce in his first yr you have to move foward and get someone else. Kind of how people gave up on Cedeno after his rookie yr, fukudome after this past yr, Pie after his first stint, etc.

[jersey cubs fan]

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub?

 

I said he's not "very" productive, at least nowhere close to his $17.7m average salary. He's a good player, but nothing special. You said it was likely he's going to have his best year as a Cub. He's going to be 33, well past a player's typical prime. What he's probably going to be is similar to what he's already been as a Cub. If you want to pretend that 33 isn't past his prime, go right ahead. You'd be wrong, but feel free to pretend otherwise.

[laurens]

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

 

Wow, you seriously believe that could happen? The guy has only hit .300 once, 40+ HR once and 100+ RBI twice. That was all a few years ago, there's no chance that'll happen again.

Edited December 31, 2008 by laurens

[jersey cubs fan]

There is no market for Soriano. He's been hurt/playing hurt for the past two seasons. His contract doesn't mesh well with the current economic climate.

 

Thats true but too many people are jumping the gun in thinking Soriano is Injury Prone. Before he signed with the cubs he was a 150+ games a season type of player. I wouldn't close the book on the guy or think he has no worth or that he's an average player after only two seasons with the Cubs. I understand the Cubs Fan mentality is if a player doesn't produce in his first yr you have to move foward and get someone else. Kind of how people gave up on Cedeno after his rookie yr, fukudome after this past yr, Pie after his first stint, etc.

 

Where are you coming up with this crap? Who is closing a book or saying he's average? He's good, he's just nowhere near $17.7 million per year over 6 years good.

[jersey cubs fan]

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

 

Wow, you seriously believe that could happen?

 

Even if he did that, it still may not be worth $17.7 million, and one year of that still does not justify an 8-year deal. He'd have 5 years remainings in his mid-to-late 30's.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't think there's a market for Soriano unless the Cubs eat a large portion of the contract. Even if there were, Soriano has a no-trade clause. He would likely want some sweetner in order to waive it. That would further eat into the value the Cubs could get in return.

 

If someone created a scenario where the Cubs trade Soriano without eating any or much money and could then sign another LF, I'd be all for it. I'd rather have Manny or Dunn than Soriano in LF. Since that's not going to happen, I'll just resign myself to the fact that we have Soriano being overpaid on this team for a long time.

[Guest]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

 

 

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

[Sever82]

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

 

Wow, you seriously believe that could happen?

 

Why wouldn't I, since he's been with the Cubs he's only played 135 and 109 games. In those two seasons his numbers were .299 33/70/19/.337 and .280/29/75/19/.344 respectively. If he would've have played full seasons both those years he would have possibly put up the numbers i suggested. So why would you not believe he can put up those numbers if he played a full season?

[Sever82]

I'd rather have Manny or Dunn than Soriano in LF. Since that's not going to happen, I'll just resign myself to the fact that we have Soriano being overpaid on this team for a long time.

 

Really? I would agree with Manny but not Dunn.

[Sever82]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

 

 

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

 

I'm sorry would rather me listed the members on the board that said it one by one. Relax saying "the board" is only a term on the saying you specifically so calm down buddy.

[Guest]

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

 

I'm sorry would rather me listed the members on the board that said it one by one. Relax saying "the board" is only a term on the saying you specifically so calm down buddy.

All I can say is, lol.

[wade]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

 

 

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

 

I'm sorry would rather me listed the members on the board that said it one by one. Relax saying "the board" is only a term on the saying you specifically so calm down buddy.

 

If I interpret what you wrote appropriately, you must not have been here when the deal went down. The majority were against the signing.

[Sever82]

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

 

I'm sorry would rather me listed the members on the board that said it one by one. Relax saying "the board" is only a term on the saying you specifically so calm down buddy.

All I can say is, lol.

 

Ha ha my bad, i posted it with my iphone, sorry about the confusion.

[NCCubFan]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

 

 

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

 

I'm sorry would rather me listed the members on the board that said it one by one. Relax saying "the board" is only a term on the saying you specifically so calm down buddy.

 

If I interpret what you wrote appropriately, you must not have been here when the deal went down. The majority were against the signing.

He wasn't here then. He's only been a member since Nov. 2008.

[apete6]

While Soriano's contract doesn't look as bad as it did when he signed it, its still bad and a very high $ amount. Only a few teams could even afford to pick it up for nothing, let alone getting a prospect or two in return.

 

Angels--already have a lot of OFs and Manny would be a better guy anyway for less money.

Yankees--they've already played that game and have already spent a ton of money

Mets--no real need

Nationals--he burned them before, so probably not

Orioles--maybe, but Angelos probably wouldn't have any of it

Red Sox--no need

White Sox--no need

Giants--maybe, but you're not getting a good prospect from them

Dodgers--best chance if they don't resign Manny, but you're not getting Kemp or someone like that for him

Phillies--no need

 

In addition, even if one of those teams could afford it, Soriano would have to approve it, which he likely wouldn't.

[wade]

I was reading on the ESPN board for the cubs, someone posted some quote they read on a board that basically said there was a market for Soriano which included several teams. As much as i want to believe the rumor i dont but it got me thinking. Do you think GMs would call Hendry if he put Soriano out there and offered to eat up some of his contract, he's owed 100 over 6 which isn't that bad of a deal in my opinion. But what kind of package could you get for him, he's still very productive and will probably have his best season as a cub next year. My dream scenario would be sending him to the dodgers for kemp and a prospect. Then forgetting about bradley and signing Manny to a two or three yr deal. Just a thought but i honestly feel there would be a market for soriano if the cubs offered to eat up some of his contract, nothing ridiculous but some of it.

 

He's owed 106m ($17.7m per year). Yes, it is that bad of a deal, no he's not "very" productive and no, he's not "probably" going to have his best year as a Cub next year.

 

 

There could be a market if they ate a big chunk, but I don't see the point in that. There are 150+ free agents still out on the market because nobody outside the Yankees is committing any money this offseason.

 

 

How is Soriano not productive? And how do you know he's not going to have his best year as a Cub? If Soriano plays 140+ games he will no doubt have his best year as a Cub. That is a big "if" but its possible. Its just surprising how many people on this board jumped for joy when Soriano was signed, then get all geeked when he has a good game and goes on one of his hot streaks but then turn their back on him and say he's worthless when the season is over. So i'm guessing if soriano hits over .300 40hr 100+ RBIs with 20+SB .360OBP next yr that contract is till not good for you. Oh wait maybe you'll use the excuse that he's old at 32yrs old or past his prime, or maybe that he's just not good anymore.

Does someone need to link in the old Soriano thread? Because the general reaction was very, very negative about the signing at that dollar amount, though many were hopeful that Soriano would provide good (but probably not great) offense for the first half of the contract.

 

It also amazes me to see how often people fall into the trap of ascribing positions from many different people to "the board".

 

I'm sorry would rather me listed the members on the board that said it one by one. Relax saying "the board" is only a term on the saying you specifically so calm down buddy.

 

If I interpret what you wrote appropriately, you must not have been here when the deal went down. The majority were against the signing.

He wasn't here then. He's only been a member since Nov. 2008.

 

Probably best not to make blanket statements about the mood here at the time, then. I guess he could have been a lurker, but still, it's way off what was going down.

[PackLandVA]

While Soriano's contract doesn't look as bad as it did when he signed it, its still bad and a very high $ amount. Only a few teams could even afford to pick it up for nothing, let alone getting a prospect or two in return.

 

 

I realize he will not be traded. So hypothetically speaking, wouldn't losing his salary in a trade lower the importance of getting a top prospect in return?

[Monco]

Sorianos production at 17 million is overpaying. Adam Dunn,Bobby Abreau etc. wouldn't command 17 million a year. I doubt anyone would take him without the Cubs eating at least half of his contract. They would probably get a couple of mediocre prospects in return. It would essentially be a salary dump.

[imb]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=36777&p=1108827&hilit=soriano#p1108827

 

all from the first page

 

8 years!!!!!

 

dear god.

 

That is horrendous.

 

NO WAY NO NO NO!!!!! :shock: 8 YEARS???? :shock:

 

Terrible signing

 

I think I'm going to be sick...

 

Are they crazy?

 

8 years !?!?...............geez.....8 years ?

[Monco]

Only 6 more to go :thumbsup: