Dunn is awesome...No he's not...Yes he is!!!

[cubsfan26]

The problem I have with adding Dunn(besides his defense), is I think he would struggle in the postseason. Guys who hit HR's and walk alot with a low batting average, usually feast on the average to bad pitchers. But when facing good pitchers who don't walk alot of guys or give up alot of HR, Dunn is probably gonna struggle more then most other good hitters. Thats why I personally feel there's a difference from a guy hitting 230 with a high OBP then a guy hitting 280 with a high OBP. Bradley health problems is an issue, but when the guy has played he's been very good the last two years, and seasons before that he played in horrible hitters parks.

[UMFan83]

Ryan Howard career in the playoffs: .266 .382 .500

Ryan Howard in this years World Series: .286 .375 .762

[Schwarber Fan]

Back on topic...

 

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal believes the Cubs and the Rays are free agent Milton Bradley's strongest suitors.

The Reds, Angels and Nationals have also demonstrated interest, but it will probably come down to Chicago or Tampa Bay. The Cubs will likely have the high offer on the board, and Bradley may prefer the idea of being a regular outfielder, even though he'd have a better chance of remaining healthy while being used primarily as a DH.

 

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[mdwilla]

I've seen a few posts talking about Bradley's defense in right field, which is above average with an above average throwing arm, he's a downgrade from Fuku but he can pick it out there. The question is can he stay healthy and play RF for 120- plus games

[anabiono]

I've seen a few posts talking about Bradley's defense in right field, which is above average with an above average throwing arm, he's a downgrade from Fuku but he can pick it out there. The question is can he stay healthy and play RF for 120- plus games

 

that is the only reason i am nervous about bradley

 

i love his bat...i just don't know if he can stay healthy...

 

however, if we are not going to be engaging in any crazy trades, as seems to be the case, then we should have a nice set of outfielders to choose from

 

honestly, if we acquire bradley...the bullpen is my biggest concern

[Post Count Padder]

I've seen a few posts talking about Bradley's defense in right field, which is above average with an above average throwing arm, he's a downgrade from Fuku but he can pick it out there. The question is can he stay healthy and play RF for 120- plus games

If he can get 400 at bats, I'm cool with it. His health is an issue, but I think we can give him days off here and there to preserve his health. Fukudome and Johnson are both capable of moving over and let's not forget DeRosa could play on Bradley's off days with Fontenot playing second.

[PrimeTime]

I want to see somthing happen already..Whats goin on here? Sign Bradley or get rid of Marquis..We need something new to talk about after that whole disappointing Peavy ordeal.

[scarey]

Personally, I don't want to rely on JUST ARam, or Soto, or whoever bats behind Dunn to take care of business. I would rather have a guy that can get the run in from second or third base in front of ARam/Soto/whoever. That way we get two very good chances and no mater what number you guys put up, you can't argue that.

[UK1679666180]

Personally, I don't want to rely on JUST ARam, or Soto, or whoever bats behind Dunn to take care of business. I would rather have a guy that can get the run in from second or third base in front of ARam/Soto/whoever. That way we get two very good chances and no mater what number you guys put up, you can't argue that.

 

So if it was Lee, Dunn, Ramirez, Soto, Derosa, you would be concerned that the Cubs might struggle to score runs w/RISP b/c Dunn is hitting with runners on? By doing that you're also willing to ignore the increases chances Dunn gives Ramirez, Soto, Derosa b/c of his ability to get on base? As well as the overall increased run production Dunn gives them b/c of his ability to hit for power combined?

 

All that for simply 5 RBIs throughout the course of the year.

 

There are valid complaints about Dunn, I think your angle is extremely flawed and wrong in trying to point that out. Dunn would do more damage defensively in RF for the Cubs than his "inability" to hit with RISP.

[badnews]

First of all, I haven't followed this offseason 100% closely, so can someone just tell me why we'd put Dunn in right field when Soriano would be better suited to right field?

 

Second, why are we so convinced Milton Bradley in the field is a huge asset?

 

Third, someone pointed out Bradley crushed righthanded pitching in 2008, I was talking about career numbers, career numbers, Bradley is another beats up lefties, eh against righties guy.

 

Fourth, I don't understand why people are so accepting of Bradley's numbers. It's like Jeromy Burnitz's 2004. He struck out 79 times in 285 ABs on the road and still hit .312. And he hit .341 at home. That's not going to fly. I am stunned people can't see past his past 550 ABs. Can I repeat it again - he slugged nearly 700 at home and below 500 on the road. TROUBLE A BREWIN. He didn't just have a high BABIP, HE LEAD THE MAJORS IN BABIP. This is the guy who's going to end the 100+ year curse? Milton Bradley? He's going to be our big RBI guy? Nobody thinks this is wishcasting at all? Do you guys think Xavier Nady is a perennial .867 OPS guy too? Or Dmitri Young with his .869 OPS in 2007? And I haven't even touched on the fact that he's always injured and that he's an emotional basketcase with a persecution complex who's not going to survive in Chicago. Adam Dunn would do fine in Chicago. Adam Dunn doesn't give two ****s what people say about him.

 

I'm just curious, when Gary Matthews Jr. posted that 121 OPS+ with the Rangers, did you buy into that too?

 

Okay, I saw someone try to justify his ABNORMALLY high BABIP with LD%. Alright guys, Mephistopheles tried that same trick last year with Chone Figgins. IT DON'T WORK. Chone Figgins .825 OPS last year, .685 OPS this year, LD% be damned. I know it's crazy, but Chone Figgins's BABIP dropped like 70 points this year. Which is what anyone with common sense could've told you, regardless of his LD%.

 

In conclusion, I can't believe this topic is peppered with so many "Please, just get this deal done Jim" pleas for MILTON BRADLEY.

[SweetZombieJesus]

First of all, I haven't followed this offseason 100% closely, so can someone just tell me why we'd put Dunn in right field when Soriano would be better suited to right field?

 

Second, why are we so convinced Milton Bradley in the field is a huge asset?

 

Third, someone pointed out Bradley crushed righthanded pitching in 2008, I was talking about career numbers, career numbers, Bradley is another beats up lefties, eh against righties guy.

 

Fourth, I don't understand why people are so accepting of Bradley's numbers. It's like Jeromy Burnitz's 2004. He struck out 79 times in 285 ABs on the road and still hit .312. And he hit .341 at home. That's not going to fly. I am stunned people can't see past his past 550 ABs. Can I repeat it again - he slugged nearly 700 at home and below 500 on the road. TROUBLE A BREWIN. He didn't just have a high BABIP, HE LEAD THE MAJORS IN BABIP. This is the guy who's going to end the 100+ year curse? Milton Bradley? He's going to be our big RBI guy? Nobody thinks this is wishcasting at all? Do you guys think Xavier Nady is a perennial .867 OPS guy too? Or Dmitri Young with his .869 OPS in 2007? And I haven't even touched on the fact that he's always injured and that he's an emotional basketcase with a persecution complex who's not going to survive in Chicago. Adam Dunn would do fine in Chicago. Adam Dunn doesn't give two ****s what people say about him.

 

I'm just curious, when Gary Matthews Jr. posted that 121 OPS+ with the Rangers, did you buy into that too?

 

Okay, I saw someone try to justify his ABNORMALLY high BABIP with LD%. Alright guys, Mephistopheles tried that same trick last year with Chone Figgins. IT DON'T WORK. Chone Figgins .825 OPS last year, .685 OPS this year, LD% be damned. I know it's crazy, but Chone Figgins's BABIP dropped like 70 points this year. Which is what anyone with common sense could've told you, regardless of his LD%.

 

In conclusion, I can't believe this topic is peppered with so many "Please, just get this deal done Jim" pleas for MILTON BRADLEY.

 

Yes, please get the deal dunn. So we can have the worst outfield defense in recent memory. Other soriano's throwing arm what makes him a acceptable RF?

[badnews]

Oh please. At least Adam Dunn is a legitimately good hitter. Milton Bradley's going to shape up our outfield defense? That's a joke. He won't while he's out there, and last I checked, guys who spend at least 60 games on the DL don't play great defense during those 60 games.

 

Dunn's defense is not enough to undo the fact that Bradley isn't a good defender either, that Bradley won't even play a full season, that Bradley isn't the lefty threat we need, that Bradley isn't even that good of a hitter. I'd rather have Adam Dunn scorching righthanded pitching rather than Bradley probably putting up some .790 OPS against it in his grand total of 90 games he plays.

 

You're talking about how a DH's defense is going to be this big asset over Adam Dunn's. How often does Adam Dunn play 150+ games? Almost always. How often does Milton Bradley. LIKE NEVER. Sorry, the suckiest player in baseball is better than the player who never gets off the bench.

 

You know what? Bring on the crappiest OF defense in baseball, it's better than sitting here pretending that Milton Bradley is the answer to any question besides "Who shouldn't we get this offseason?"

[17 Seconds]

First of all, I haven't followed this offseason 100% closely, so can someone just tell me why we'd put Dunn in right field when Soriano would be better suited to right field?

 

Second, why are we so convinced Milton Bradley in the field is a huge asset?

 

Third, someone pointed out Bradley crushed righthanded pitching in 2008, I was talking about career numbers, career numbers, Bradley is another beats up lefties, eh against righties guy.

 

Fourth, I don't understand why people are so accepting of Bradley's numbers. It's like Jeromy Burnitz's 2004. He struck out 79 times in 285 ABs on the road and still hit .312. And he hit .341 at home. That's not going to fly. I am stunned people can't see past his past 550 ABs. Can I repeat it again - he slugged nearly 700 at home and below 500 on the road. TROUBLE A BREWIN. He didn't just have a high BABIP, HE LEAD THE MAJORS IN BABIP. This is the guy who's going to end the 100+ year curse? Milton Bradley? He's going to be our big RBI guy? Nobody thinks this is wishcasting at all? Do you guys think Xavier Nady is a perennial .867 OPS guy too? Or Dmitri Young with his .869 OPS in 2007? And I haven't even touched on the fact that he's always injured and that he's an emotional basketcase with a persecution complex who's not going to survive in Chicago. Adam Dunn would do fine in Chicago. Adam Dunn doesn't give two ****s what people say about him.

 

I'm just curious, when Gary Matthews Jr. posted that 121 OPS+ with the Rangers, did you buy into that too?

 

Okay, I saw someone try to justify his ABNORMALLY high BABIP with LD%. Alright guys, Mephistopheles tried that same trick last year with Chone Figgins. IT DON'T WORK. Chone Figgins .825 OPS last year, .685 OPS this year, LD% be damned. I know it's crazy, but Chone Figgins's BABIP dropped like 70 points this year. Which is what anyone with common sense could've told you, regardless of his LD%.

 

In conclusion, I can't believe this topic is peppered with so many "Please, just get this deal done Jim" pleas for MILTON BRADLEY.

 

Yes, please get the deal dunn. So we can have the worst outfield defense in recent memory. Other soriano's throwing arm what makes him a acceptable RF?

 

Remember when the Red Sox won the World Series with Manny in left and Trot in right?

[The Other 15]

I'm just not interested in either guy. Just too many question marks about both to spend top money on. If either can be "stolen" for a 1 year deal, sure sign me up because a Alou/Lofton/Sosa outfield was able to exist without costing too many games defensively. But that's not what I'm interested in the next three years. You guys complain how Soriano is overpaid. It won't be long before you talk about how Dunn or Bradley are holding Hednry back from next years big thing (whoever that may be).

 

As far as Bradley and his character; anybody wonder why all these teams that go out of their way to say how he wasn't a problem and was a great team mate, never bothered to sign him to longer deals? Just asking.

 

I could take or leave both, I would just prefer to leave and go into next year with flexibility to get someone who might need help with pitching or needs to move a contract.

[Rob]

Even if you adjust Milton Bradley's line down to your basic LD% +.120 (which is a good rule of thumb), it hardly makes a difference to his line. He only got lucky to the tune of six extra hits last year.

 

You're looking .307/.424/.544 line instead of his .321/.436/.563 line. Whoa, he sucks.

[imb]

i can buy the concerns about his injury history, but acting like his bat is a product of texas' stadium rings a little stupid when he OPSd .947 in Oakland/Sand Diego the year before

[The Other 15]

i can buy the concerns about his injury history, but acting like his bat is a product of texas' stadium rings a little stupid when he OPSd .947 in Oakland/Sand Diego the year before

 

Yeah, but that was in 61 games and 209 AB. The year before in 350 Ab he OPS'ed .817 in Oakland. Do you really believe he's high .900 OPS guy or a mid .800's?

[cubsfan26]

FWIW Milton Bradley has averaged a 880 OPS against RH pitching over the last four years(three of the four years were in pitcher parks). Including a 850 OPS or higher three of the last four years(940 and 937 the last two years). From 2000-2004 Bradley career against numbers against RH pitching was 737. So his 790's career OPS against RH pitching was due to earlier in his career.

[The Other 15]

Seriously, the question is not weather Bradley would be a safer bet to OPS .850+ over in house guys like Fukudome. The question is do you want another 4 year/$40 mil contract on the books for a guy like Bradley? Sure, I guess you can always find a taker for him but he hasn't exactly brought back riches in trades unless you count Ander Ethier as someone special.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i think it's hilarious some people are going crazy over the idea of signing Milton Bradley. he's not Todd Hollandsworth for christs sake

[cubsfan26]

Seriously, the question is not weather Bradley would be a safer bet to OPS .850+ over in house guys like Fukudome. The question is do you want another 4 year/$40 mil contract on the books for a guy like Bradley? Sure, I guess you can always find a taker for him but he hasn't exactly brought back riches in trades unless you count Ander Ethier as someone special.

 

 

I don't want him at that price, but 2y at 18m with a vesting option, or 3y at 27m I might consider. I have a feeling Hendry will add incentives based on health or games played in his contract, and get him at 7-9m base salary. I think Bradley will be a high 800 OPS or low 900 OPS guy playing half his games in Wrigley.

[imb]

i can buy the concerns about his injury history, but acting like his bat is a product of texas' stadium rings a little stupid when he OPSd .947 in Oakland/Sand Diego the year before

 

Yeah, but that was in 61 games and 209 AB. The year before in 350 Ab he OPS'ed .817 in Oakland. Do you really believe he's high .900 OPS guy or a mid .800's?

 

well, i'm dumb. for some reason i remembered him playing a full year.

[17 Seconds]

Not that it means a lot, but if I'm doing the math right, Bill James has Bradley as about a .287/.390/.488 guy next season Edited December 15, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[imb]

Not that it means a lot, but if I'm doing the math right, Bill James has Bradley as .287/.390/.488 next season

 

if we punch that into the same computer that told meph khalil greene is an .850 OPS guy, he should be good for about a 1.450

[17 Seconds]

Not that it means a lot, but if I'm doing the math right, Bill James has Bradley as .287/.390/.488 next season

 

if we punch that into the same computer that told meph khalil greene is an .850 OPS guy, he should be good for about a 1.450

 

and really handsome