Re: College Football - Bowl Discussion

[CubInOK]

The whole business that Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford have produced more statistically than Tim Tebow is a load of crap. Anyone stupid enough to believe those arguments needs their head examined.

*signs up for head examination from Meph*

 

Wait, that might not be a good thing.

[B]

The whole business that Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford have produced more statistically than Tim Tebow is a load of crap. Anyone stupid enough to believe those arguments needs their head examined.

*signs up for head examination from Meph*

 

Wait, that might not be a good thing.

He only likes to examine Tim Tebow's head.

[dew1679666265]

the only upside to this is that maybe Paterno can land a star QB recruit with the promise that he'll more or less be THE GUY for 3 or 4 seasons at PSU

 

The bad part is that there isn't much in the way of top QBs uncommitted right now. Devlin picked a horrible time to decide to transfer as most all of the good QBs are mostly locked up.

 

If JoPa wants one in this class, he'll likely have to steal one away from another team.

[Mephistopheles]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

[Andy]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

UCF was in the Conference USA title game...last year.

[CubInOK]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

I think UCF's stadium isn't more than 5 years old. That could be a good stepping stone for a career if the rest of the facilities are nice. That conference isn't too tough, either.

 

I think you gotta be crazy to take the Miss. State job, though.

[dew1679666265]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

UCF was in the Conference USA title game...last year.

 

In fairness to Meph, they pretty much rode Kevin Smith to that game.

 

The rest of the team was decent, though, and I don't think they're beyond repair.

[dew1679666265]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

I think UCF's stadium isn't more than 5 years old. That could be a good stepping stone for a career if the rest of the facilities are nice. That conference isn't too tough, either.

 

I think you gotta be crazy to take the Miss. State job, though.

 

I've heard the facilities at Miss State are horrible - otherwise I don't think it's that much worse than any other mid-level SEC program.

[Mephistopheles]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC. Not exactly an ideal situation. He could have waited for an offer at a BCS school, if he wanted. As for Mississippi State, they've shown no commitment to their last few coaches. People wanted Croom out from day 1.

[CubInOK]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

I think UCF's stadium isn't more than 5 years old. That could be a good stepping stone for a career if the rest of the facilities are nice. That conference isn't too tough, either.

 

I think you gotta be crazy to take the Miss. State job, though.

 

I've heard the facilities at Miss State are horrible - otherwise I don't think it's that much worse than any other mid-level SEC program.

It's more about who you're up against week in and week out. Miles, Nutt, Saban, Meyer, Petrino, Spurrier, etc. That and I've heard it's tough to recruit there.

[dew1679666265]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC. Not exactly an ideal situation. He could have waited for an offer at a BCS school, if he wanted.

 

Isn't that the case for most mid-level schools, though? Obviously it's a tough job, but I don't see how it's tougher than winning at most other schools of its stature.

 

As for Mississippi State, they've shown no commitment to their last few coaches. People wanted Croom out from day 1.

 

Not committing to the coach is a definite problem. If Mullen wants to stick there, he better win quick.

[CubInOK]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC.

That's not so bad if you're in C-USA and you're just trying to win that conference. If UCF was in the, say... the Big East, it might be. But they aren't. So I don't think it's too bad.

[Mephistopheles]

richt...

[Mephistopheles]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC.

That's not so bad if you're in C-USA and you're just trying to win that conference. If UCF was in the, say... the Big East, it might be. But they aren't. So I don't think it's too bad.

 

hes in a position where he doesnt need a stepping stone head coaching gig. he's more liked than muschamp as future HQs go and a LOT more than venables

[dew1679666265]

And we know Mullen's gone. Reportedly George O'Leary is resigning from Central Florida tomorrow. Charlie Strong is reportedly in at UCF. Mullen to Miss State and Strong to UCF....I guess they don't want to be head coaches for more than five years. I think both of those programs may be beyond repair.

I think UCF's stadium isn't more than 5 years old. That could be a good stepping stone for a career if the rest of the facilities are nice. That conference isn't too tough, either.

 

I think you gotta be crazy to take the Miss. State job, though.

 

I've heard the facilities at Miss State are horrible - otherwise I don't think it's that much worse than any other mid-level SEC program.

It's more about who you're up against week in and week out. Miles, Nutt, Saban, Meyer, Petrino, Spurrier, etc. That and I've heard it's tough to recruit there.

 

It's a tough job, I just don't see how it's significantly tougher than Vandy, UK, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc. - other than that the facilities apparently suck.

[dew1679666265]

richt...

 

. . . is a terrific head coach.

 

Your turn.

[Mephistopheles]

no, i just noticed how he was omitted.

[dew1679666265]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC.

That's not so bad if you're in C-USA and you're just trying to win that conference. If UCF was in the, say... the Big East, it might be. But they aren't. So I don't think it's too bad.

 

hes in a position where he doesnt need a stepping stone head coaching gig. he's more liked than muschamp as future HQs go and a LOT more than venables

 

It's a bit odd he hasn't gotten a major program to offer him the job yet. Any idea why not?

 

And if he has, but didn't take it, then maybe he sees something in UCF that he can make work.

[dew1679666265]

no, i just noticed how he was omitted.

 

Oh, ok. I was trying to figure out why you randomly threw him out there.

[Mephistopheles]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC.

That's not so bad if you're in C-USA and you're just trying to win that conference. If UCF was in the, say... the Big East, it might be. But they aren't. So I don't think it's too bad.

 

hes in a position where he doesnt need a stepping stone head coaching gig. he's more liked than muschamp as future HQs go and a LOT more than venables

 

It's a bit odd he hasn't gotten a major program to offer him the job yet. Any idea why not?

 

And if he has, but didn't take it, then maybe he sees something in UCF that he can make work.

 

the color of his skin, unfortunately.

[CubInOK]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC.

That's not so bad if you're in C-USA and you're just trying to win that conference. If UCF was in the, say... the Big East, it might be. But they aren't. So I don't think it's too bad.

 

hes in a position where he doesnt need a stepping stone head coaching gig. he's more liked than muschamp as future HQs go and a LOT more than venables

Saying you have a LOT more than Brent Venables isn't saying very much. Many OU fans want him fired.

 

If he's that well liked, why didn't he go somewhere like Tennessee or Syracuse? Nevermind, you answered it above.

[dew1679666265]

UCF has to try to recruit in Florida (good luck with getting someone out of the state to come there). They're going to be picking prospects behind Florida. And Florida State. And Miami. And South Florida. And the SEC. And half the ACC. And USC.

That's not so bad if you're in C-USA and you're just trying to win that conference. If UCF was in the, say... the Big East, it might be. But they aren't. So I don't think it's too bad.

 

hes in a position where he doesnt need a stepping stone head coaching gig. he's more liked than muschamp as future HQs go and a LOT more than venables

 

It's a bit odd he hasn't gotten a major program to offer him the job yet. Any idea why not?

 

And if he has, but didn't take it, then maybe he sees something in UCF that he can make work.

 

the color of his skin, unfortunately.

 

And if he can't get a major conference gig because of his skin color, then why should he hold out for one as you inferred he should?

 

EDIT: I'm not doubting your assertion that his skin color is a factor (and even a major factor, or the only factor), I'm just wondering about your conclusions that he should have held out for a job that probably won't be coming.

[OleMissCub]

It's a tough job, I just don't see how it's significantly tougher than Vandy, UK, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc. - other than that the facilities apparently suck.

 

Let me preface what I'm about to write by saying that Vandy doesn't count in these discussions...they are the odd man out in the SEC as everyone already knows.

 

Anyways, it's a combination of several things make Miss St the least desirable SEC job; average facilities, least wealthy and smallest fanbase, no history, and easily the worst city in the SEC.

 

People wanted Croom out from day 1.

 

Partially because he sucked since day 1.

[dew1679666265]

It's a tough job, I just don't see how it's significantly tougher than Vandy, UK, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc. - other than that the facilities apparently suck.

 

Let me preface what I'm about to write by saying that Vandy doesn't count in these discussions...they are the odd man out in the SEC as everyone already knows.

 

Anyways, it's a combination of several things make Miss St the least desirable SEC job; average facilities, least wealthy and smallest fanbase, no history, and easily the worst city in the SEC.

 

I can see that. I just don't think it's an unfixable program.

[Derwood]

the only upside to this is that maybe Paterno can land a star QB recruit with the promise that he'll more or less be THE GUY for 3 or 4 seasons at PSU

 

The bad part is that there isn't much in the way of top QBs uncommitted right now. Devlin picked a horrible time to decide to transfer as most all of the good QBs are mostly locked up.

 

If JoPa wants one in this class, he'll likely have to steal one away from another team.

 

which he may be able to do, since they won't be buried in the depth chart for 2 years anymore