College Football - Championship Week

[jersey cubs fan]

Stop "Hilary Clinton" about the current format?

 

biching?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pete Carroll: Fashion > Timeouts

 

And I assume "Hillary Clinton" is talking about complaining about the system, like the whole superdelegate ordeal.

[Mephistopheles]

lovely.

[Guest]

Technically, that was agreed to by Neuheisel and Carroll at the start of the season. Of course Pom Pom is making it sound like he doesn't need his full assortment of timeouts to beat UCLA (which is true).

[Mephistopheles]

Didnt Slick Rick guarantee a win against U$C or something?

[Guest]

No?

 

ETA: Are you referring to that idiotic monoply advertisement in the local newspapers?

[SpongeWorthy]

No to playoffs. BCS is fine as it is. Stop "Hilary Clinton" about the current format. Playoff system is not practical in D1.

 

It's only impractical for the people who have a vested interest in not having a playoff.

 

I find it completely ridiculous that there are characteristics unique to college football that make constructing a lucrative and logistically feasible tournament system impossible. Virtually every league with the stature of NCAA D1 football settles on its champion via a playoff and the vast majority of sports with a lesser shine than NCAA football do as well.

 

Saying it's impractical is nothing more than a flimsy, self-serving argument for bowl committees, university presidents, and conference commissioners.

 

Now if you don't want a playoff system because you prefer the way things are done now, that's a different argument that has some merit. I don't agree with it, but it is valid.

[Mephistopheles]

No?

 

ETA: Are you referring to that idiotic monoply advertisement in the local newspapers?

 

Maybe thats what it was.

[Guest]

Wow before reading Meph's post, I assumed it was a foregone conclusion that if Florida beat Alabama on Saturday, they would secure one of the spots in the NC game

 

Much as I hate Florida, they should make it if they win Saturday. Another reason why the BCS is an utterly laughable system.

The BCS is really a problem now because it depends far, far too much on human polls and limits computer polls from being able to effectively determine how good teams are.

 

You mean the computer polls that currently have Utah ahead of Florida and USC and Boise State also ahead of USC? The same computers that might not put Florida in the national title game if they beat Alabama? Those computers are useless as far as I'm concerned.

 

If Florida wins on Saturday, the human polls will likely put them in the top 2 and the human polls also have USC ranked ahead of Utah and Boise State. While I don't always agree with the human polls, they're much more accurate right now than the computers are.

[imb]

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

[bukie]

The BCS is really a problem now because it depends far, far too much on human polls and limits computer polls from being able to effectively determine how good teams are.

 

You mean the computer polls that currently have Utah ahead of Florida and USC and Boise State also ahead of USC? The same computers that might not put Florida in the national title game if they beat Alabama? Those computers are useless as far as I'm concerned.

 

If Florida wins on Saturday, the human polls will likely put them in the top 2 and the human polls also have USC ranked ahead of Utah and Boise State. While I don't always agree with the human polls, they're much more accurate right now than the computers are.

 

I think you are misreading what I wrote. The BCS currently limits computer pulls from being able to effectively determine how good teams are, because computer ratings can only make use of W-L record and quality of opponents.

 

For example, Jeff Sagarin runs 3 ratings. One is done completely by W-L only (his BCS one). It is also his least predictive one. That has the following top 10:

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Texas Tech

4. Alabama

5. Utah

6. Florida

7. Boise State

8. USC

9. TCU

10. Penn State

 

A second rating looks only at the score margin, and not at all at W-L. This is the best predictor of future games. That one's top 10:

1. USC

2. Florida

3. Oklahoma

4. Texas

5. Penn State

6. Alabama

7. Texas Tech

8. Ohio State

9. Missouri

10. TCU

 

His third rating is 50% W-L, 50% score margin. That one looks like:

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Florida

4. USC

5. Texas Tech

6. Alabama

7. Penn State

8. Utah

9. TCU

10. Ohio State

 

Which is most accurate to determine how deserving a team is to go to the BCS championship? Hard to say for sure, since any computer rating is going to deal with somewhat of a sample size issue, and schedule strength (a large determining factor in any rating) is largely uncontrollable in at least 8 of 12 games a team plays. However, the most accurate predictor of future performance is based purely on point differential.

 

Of course, there could also just be a situation where the best two teams in the country are from the same conference.

[Mephistopheles]

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

 

Keep in mind though, in my analysis that you did not read, i gave half the first place votes to Florida, a fourth to OU and a fourth to Texas and it still does not appear to be enough for Florida to jump Texas.

[imb]

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

 

Keep in mind though, in my analysis that you did not read, i gave half the first place votes to Florida, a fourth to OU and a fourth to Texas and it still does not appear to be enough for Florida to jump Texas.

 

well, i hope you're right, because if we get past missouri, i'm much more confident of our ability to beat texas than i am that we can beat florida

[SouthSideRyan]

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

 

Keep in mind though, in my analysis that you did not read, i gave half the first place votes to Florida, a fourth to OU and a fourth to Texas and it still does not appear to be enough for Florida to jump Texas.

 

I have a hard time seeing Texas getting 1/4 of the first place votes even if OU loses.

[bukie]

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

 

Keep in mind though, in my analysis that you did not read, i gave half the first place votes to Florida, a fourth to OU and a fourth to Texas and it still does not appear to be enough for Florida to jump Texas.

 

I have a hard time seeing Texas getting 1/4 of the first place votes even if OU loses.

If Florida has a close win or something that could appear to be a "fluke", I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas pick up some first place votes.

[Guest]

The BCS is really a problem now because it depends far, far too much on human polls and limits computer polls from being able to effectively determine how good teams are.

 

You mean the computer polls that currently have Utah ahead of Florida and USC and Boise State also ahead of USC? The same computers that might not put Florida in the national title game if they beat Alabama? Those computers are useless as far as I'm concerned.

 

If Florida wins on Saturday, the human polls will likely put them in the top 2 and the human polls also have USC ranked ahead of Utah and Boise State. While I don't always agree with the human polls, they're much more accurate right now than the computers are.

 

I think you are misreading what I wrote. The BCS currently limits computer pulls from being able to effectively determine how good teams are, because computer ratings can only make use of W-L record and quality of opponents.

 

For example, Jeff Sagarin runs 3 ratings. One is done completely by W-L only (his BCS one). It is also his least predictive one. That has the following top 10:

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Texas Tech

4. Alabama

5. Utah

6. Florida

7. Boise State

8. USC

9. TCU

10. Penn State

 

A second rating looks only at the score margin, and not at all at W-L. This is the best predictor of future games. That one's top 10:

1. USC

2. Florida

3. Oklahoma

4. Texas

5. Penn State

6. Alabama

7. Texas Tech

8. Ohio State

9. Missouri

10. TCU

 

His third rating is 50% W-L, 50% score margin. That one looks like:

1. Oklahoma

2. Texas

3. Florida

4. USC

5. Texas Tech

6. Alabama

7. Penn State

8. Utah

9. TCU

10. Ohio State

 

Which is most accurate to determine how deserving a team is to go to the BCS championship? Hard to say for sure, since any computer rating is going to deal with somewhat of a sample size issue, and schedule strength (a large determining factor in any rating) is largely uncontrollable in at least 8 of 12 games a team plays. However, the most accurate predictor of future performance is based purely on point differential.

 

Of course, there could also just be a situation where the best two teams in the country are from the same conference.

 

That's still only one of the six computers, though.

 

There's the Billingsley computer system that seemingly just gives points out and takes them away whenever Billingsley wants to. Five of the six computers have Utah ahead of USC (interestingly enough it's the Billingsley that doens't) and I find it hard to believe that adding point differential would make that much of a difference because they're not just going to throw out SOS and W-L record.

[Mephistopheles]

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

 

Keep in mind though, in my analysis that you did not read, i gave half the first place votes to Florida, a fourth to OU and a fourth to Texas and it still does not appear to be enough for Florida to jump Texas.

 

well, i hope you're right, because if we get past missouri, i'm much more confident of our ability to beat texas than i am that we can beat florida

 

That's correct, but also factoring in it will be a de facto home game for Florida too.

 

ou and texas are splitting votes at the moment, once ou wins or loses the big 12 title game, voters will resign themselves to voting all-ou or all-texas and florida will jump up

 

Keep in mind though, in my analysis that you did not read, i gave half the first place votes to Florida, a fourth to OU and a fourth to Texas and it still does not appear to be enough for Florida to jump Texas.

 

 

I have a hard time seeing Texas getting 1/4 of the first place votes even if OU loses.

 

I have a hard time seeing Florida getting 1/2 of the first place votes if OU wins.

[Guest]

If Florida dominates Alabama, I bet they'll get half of the first place votes.

[bukie]

Well sure, Billingsley's method is incredibly stupid and inaccurate. The point is that none of the computer ratings can take any sort of point margin analysis into account, and as a result Utah, Boise State and Texas Tech look better in computer ratings and USC, Florida and Penn State look worse.

[Hosak8]

It's not like UT is UGA, FSU or LSU either. How'd that help them?

 

And with this post, almost every one of you can understand why I do not root for the conference. I sincerely hope that Florida beats Alabama in the SEC Championship, and that they do not make the MNC game. It is my hope that Florida then gets drilled in the Sugar Bowl by their opponent, and that Texas gets slaughtered by Oklahoma (just because Meph pimps the Longhorns as well).

 

And for those of you who complain about the SEC and their fans, I understand why... I really do. It's fans like this. And believe me, this is TYPICAL of most Florida and Alabama fans I know. They talk an awful lot for people who don't contribute to anything that affects the game itself.

 

I do hope Team Jorts will beat the Criminal Tide, and then get left out of the MNC game. It doesn't matter, though, because wins and losses are irrelevant, remember?

 

I have no respect for any person who makes generalizes about a population of fans. It's absurdly naive and stupid. My point is that Tennessee's defense, while talented, is no more talented than Georgia's, LSUs or Florida State's and they had no prayer stopping the Gators offense. Lost in all of your blinded generalizes you missed the entire point of my post (and you do this with all of mine, you never sit there and actually look at what I said and think about it).

 

Your respect for me- or lack thereof- is quite inconsequential. However, your point- if about defense (which was actually not the topic)- was extremely unclear. Perhaps you should do a better job clarifying the point of your post, and what you think about the topic?

 

And, not to belabor the point, but perhaps your "points" are not what I (and several others here) take issue with. Maybe it's your tone. I'm sure you've never set out to make the point that you are arrogant. However, your tone would suggest otherwise, and in that sense, you are typical of my experience with Florida fans.

 

And perhaps it is you who may want to go back and reread my post. I did not generalize all Florida or Alabama fans. I pointed out specifically that this arrogance was typical of MOST FLORIDA and BAMA FANS I KNOW. Not a generalization at all. In fact, I'd say that was very direct and specific. You could say the same about Tennessee fans, and I have no basis for debate. That's your personal experience, and I am no one to question that.

 

Somehow I cannot imagine that you will understand that.

[Mephistopheles]

It amazes me how people get away with a lot more personal insults than I do. It's been this way forever.

 

Your respect for me- or lack thereof- is quite inconsequential. However, your point- if about defense (which was actually not the topic)- was extremely unclear. Perhaps you should do a better job clarifying the point of your post, and what you think about the topic?

 

Perhaps if you would have taken the time to actually read the entire conversation instead of targeting me with the specific purpose of a headshot to take me out on personal attacks, you would have gotten my point. Let's revisit the conversation in sequence.

 

Dew: If we had a little bit of offense this year and our QB could hand the ball off, it wouldn't have been an embarrassment this year. That said, if Tebow and Harvin are back next year you may be right.

 

Meph: The offense is in another gear with [Demps and Rainey] in the mix. In fact, Demps didn't even play on offense in that game. If Tennessee played the Gators in November you and I both know it would have probably wound up 55-3 or something worse.

 

Dew: Probably, but ya'll have done that to pretty close to everybody.

 

cubsweiser03: Not to be a dick but you dont have to be dick about this, show some respect. Its not like UT is Vanderbilt, they bring in some very good players and have talented players on the current roster.

 

Meph: It's not like [Tennessee] is UGA, FSU or LSU either. How'd that help them?

 

It shouldn't be hard to see my point looking at the conversation in sequence instead of taking comments out of context to help achieve your agenda.

[dew1679666265]

It's not like UT is UGA, FSU or LSU either. How'd that help them?

 

And with this post, almost every one of you can understand why I do not root for the conference. I sincerely hope that Florida beats Alabama in the SEC Championship, and that they do not make the MNC game. It is my hope that Florida then gets drilled in the Sugar Bowl by their opponent, and that Texas gets slaughtered by Oklahoma (just because Meph pimps the Longhorns as well).

 

And for those of you who complain about the SEC and their fans, I understand why... I really do. It's fans like this. And believe me, this is TYPICAL of most Florida and Alabama fans I know. They talk an awful lot for people who don't contribute to anything that affects the game itself.

 

I do hope Team Jorts will beat the Criminal Tide, and then get left out of the MNC game. It doesn't matter, though, because wins and losses are irrelevant, remember?

 

My point is that Tennessee's defense, while talented, is no more talented than Georgia's, LSUs or Florida State's and they had no prayer stopping the Gators offense.

 

Much as I hate to admit it, Florida has an incredibly talented and athletic offense (no big newsflash or anything, but it helps greatly to be the only legit team in the state of Florida). Thus, very few teams have much of a chance of stopping Florida's offense right now - though that could change if Tebow and Harvin leave after the year.

 

I will say, though, that Tennessee's defense has been better than UGA, LSU or FSU's defense this year. I think our defense right now is more athletic, though only by a little. If Kiffin can pull in guys like Eric Gordon, I think we'll be able to slow Florida's offense next year. Though it won't be enough to win.

[Mephistopheles]

I'm not sure there's going to be a huge long-term drop off with Brantley at the helm. By the end of the season I would expect the output to be similar. He's a much better candidate to run the offense than Chris Leak otherwise. Although the third Saturday in September may be too quick for him to be up to speed. He's very talented. Expect next year for Cameron Newton to be Tim Tebow 06 and Brantley to be the passer of the mix, and he's I've said, probably going to be the third best QB in the league next year if Tebow bolts. Brantley, Snead and Mallet all could be first round picks when its all said and done. Snead's rapid maturation the last month or six weeks has been amazing. He's played like a #1 overall pick. He made NFL throws all game long against Miss State and LSU. Their defenses didn't play that poor in those games, Snead just made perfect pass after perfect pass. Much more impressive outings than McCoy's all everything game against OU where he hit every pass or so it seemed.

[dew1679666265]

I'm not sure there's going to be a huge long-term drop off with Brantley at the helm. By the end of the season I would expect the output to be similar. He's a much better candidate to run the offense than Chris Leak otherwise. Although the third Saturday in September may be too quick for him to be up to speed. He's very talented. Expect next year for Cameron Newton to be Tim Tebow 06 and Brantley to be the passer of the mix, and he's I've said, probably going to be the third best QB in the league next year if Tebow bolts. Brantley, Snead and Mallet all could be first round picks when its all said and done. Snead's rapid maturation the last month or six weeks has been amazing. He's played like a #1 overall pick. He made NFL throws all game long against Miss State and LSU. Their defenses didn't play that poor in those games, Snead just made perfect pass after perfect pass. Much more impressive outings than McCoy's all everything game against OU where he hit every pass or so it seemed.

 

I definitely like Snead quite a bit. I agree he and Mallet are almost definitely going to be the top two QBs next year (assuming Stafford leaves, which he obviously should). Is Brantley more of a pocket passer? I was thinking he was, but can't remember for sure.

 

I'm still hoping Tajh Boyd starts strong at Tennessee or that Crompton remembers he was a great QB coming out of high school.

[Mephistopheles]

Yes, Brantley's more of a pure pocket guy. Cameron Newton's actually a clone of Tim Tebow, but not nearly as passionate nor has a level head, as told by his recent felonies. If Newton's in jail, I don't know who the Gators backup will be. Right now the third QB is actually the punter, Chas Henry. Meyer actually says Chas is an "excellent" QB who would have been an excellent QB recruit if he didn't have a NFL leg or an NFL future as a punter and he's "excited" to see Henry be a fulltime QB in practice, I doubt that, but whatever. He's the third string QB. Remember the Ingle Martin days....ah how fun the Zooker was. I guess next year the real third QB will be Jordan Reed or another QB they recruit. Reed's another dual threat QB. He's apparently 6'3" and 235 while running a 4.5. I have my doubts.