College Football - Championship Week

[Mephistopheles]

Trey Burton will probably be the heir apparent his sophomore season unless one of the incoming kids goes off and Brantley's a bust. Brantley will probably be the backup or starter in 2009. Starter in 2010 (rs JR year bolt to NFL if he's good) and then Trey Burton would be a RS fish. Trey Burton's supposed to be the once in the lifetime kind of QB recruit that Tebow was as a QB (dont we have those every year ;) ). Burton's an incredibly powerful runner who loves to run guys over and has a strong arm to boot. He's a 2010 guy and is graduating early in order to enroll in spring 2010 and he'll be up to speed for his true fish season in 2010 if we need him. He's already committed to Florida and is a bleeding Gator type like Tebow was. He won't decommit, even if Meyers fired/bolts. Burton's actually a converted tailback, so he fits the Gators as well as Tebow does. He doesn't run the spread like Tebow did in HS, triple option, so he's not highly developed as a passer like Tebow was. He, however, was the cream of the crop at Elite 11 passing.

[dew1679666265]

Yes, Brantley's more of a pure pocket guy. Cameron Newton's actually a clone of Tim Tebow, but not nearly as passionate nor has a level head, as told by his recent felonies. If Newton's in jail, I don't know who the Gators backup will be. Right now the third QB is actually the punter, Chas Henry. Meyer actually says Chas is an "excellent" QB who would have been an excellent QB recruit if he didn't have a NFL leg or an NFL future as a punter and he's "excited" to see Henry be a fulltime QB in practice, I doubt that, but whatever. He's the third string QB. Remember the Ingle Martin days....ah how fun the Zooker was. I guess next year the real third QB will be Jordan Reed or another QB they recruit. Reed's another dual threat QB. He's apparently 6'3" and 235 while running a 4.5. I have my doubts.

 

I was actually expecting Newton to be the full-time starter next year. Your recent talk of Brantley caught me a bit by surprise.

 

What are the chances Newton is in jail next season and isn't on the team? I heard the original report that he swiped the laptop and the whole saga that followed, but haven't heard anything since.

[dew1679666265]

Trey Burton will probably be the heir apparent his sophomore season unless one of the incoming kids goes off and Brantley's a bust. Brantley will probably be the backup or starter in 2009. Starter in 2010 (rs JR year bolt to NFL if he's good) and then Trey Burton would be a RS fish. Trey Burton's supposed to be the once in the lifetime kind of QB recruit that Tebow was as a QB (dont we have those every year ;) ). Burton's an incredibly powerful runner who loves to run guys over and has a strong arm to boot. He's a 2010 guy and is graduating early in order to enroll in spring 2010 and he'll be up to speed for his true fish season in 2010 if we need him. He's already committed to Florida and is a bleeding Gator type like Tebow was. He won't decommit, even if Meyers fired/bolts. Burton's actually a converted tailback, so he fits the Gators as well as Tebow does. He doesn't run the spread like Tebow did in HS, triple option, so he's not highly developed as a passer like Tebow was. He, however, was the cream of the crop at Elite 11 passing.

 

How tall is Burton? I'd figure he'd be at least 6'1" or 6'2" if he was a running back.

 

And I do love the "once in a lifetime" players. I think Reggie Bush was referred to that during the draft too. Oops.

[Mephistopheles]

Don't forget your Tenn reject, Jimmy Clausen. Burton's specs are 6-2.5/215/4.51. He's a downhill runner, like Tebow and Newton. Reed's more of a shifty elusive runner.

 

I was actually expecting Newton to be the full-time starter next year. Your recent talk of Brantley caught me a bit by surprise. What are the chances Newton is in jail next season and isn't on the team? I heard the original report that he swiped the laptop and the whole saga that followed, but haven't heard anything since.

 

I really don't know about Newton. He's suspended indefinitely. Brantley beat out Newton for the #2 job. The reason that Brantley was the #3 last year was because Newton, like Tebow before him, enrolled early. Brantley did not and the Meyer/Mullen offense is probably the most complex in the country so he redshirted simply because they would not get him up to speed quickly enough. He really impressed Meyer in the Spring. He closed the gap in the spring and overtook him in the early fall workouts and hasn't looked back since. Both Newton and Brantley were top 50 guys on some recruiting boards.

[dew1679666265]

Don't forget your Tenn reject, Jimmy Clausen. Burton's specs are 6-2.5/215/4.51. He's a downhill runner, like Tebow and Newton. Reed's more of a shifty elusive runner.

 

Tennessee didn't reject Clausen, Jimmy rejected us for ND. Casey and Rick were both good, though.

 

I was actually expecting Newton to be the full-time starter next year. Your recent talk of Brantley caught me a bit by surprise. What are the chances Newton is in jail next season and isn't on the team? I heard the original report that he swiped the laptop and the whole saga that followed, but haven't heard anything since.

 

I really don't know about Newton. He's suspended indefinitely. Brantley beat out Newton for the #2 job. The reason that Brantley was the #3 last year was because Newton, like Tebow before him, enrolled early. Brantley did not and the Meyer/Mullen offense is probably the most complex in the country so he redshirted simply because they would not get him up to speed quickly enough. He really impressed Meyer in the Spring. He closed the gap in the spring and overtook him in the early fall workouts and hasn't looked back since. Both Newton and Brantley were top 50 guys on some recruiting boards.

 

How good will Bradley be as a pocket passer in a spread option system? I know it worked in 2006, but 2 QB systems scare me.

[Mephistopheles]

Well Brantley's not Jared Lorenzon. He's quite capable of running the spread option. The biggest adjustment for him has not been being a pocket passer out of the spread. The Meyer/Mullen spread offense's pass plays are generally pocket passes. There are hardly any bootlegs or option passes. There's not really an adjustment that he has to make here. The adjustment Brantley has to make is grasping the option itself and of course the complex routes they run. The latter has little to do with the spread option, more to do with the spread, which he, like Tebow, ran in high school. He came in quite familiar with it. Really he's been working on his footwork in the Florida running game the most, that's been what he's weak at.

 

Despite not being touted as a dual threat guy. He's actually the fastest of the three and at one point was rumored to be doing the Ingram switch when it looked like Newton would run away with the QB job. Brantley's been clocked in the 4.50 range. He just needs to learn the option part of the spread. To be fair, Tebow had to too. The Urban 2 QB system wasn't your typical 2 QB system before. It was basically a variant of the Wild where Tebow would be the wingback fullback who was taking a direct snap as a fullback not a quarterback. It's completely different. I'm saying you could see Newton be a fullback type subin if Tebow bolts, although with the emergence of Moody they probably will never need to do that. They actually have quality backs now.

 

All the fullback 's are full back

[Burtonbell]

How tall is Burton? I'd figure he'd be at least 6'1" or 6'2" if he was a running back.

 

 

I'm actually 6'1", good guess! :grin:

[dew1679666265]

Well Brantley's not Jared Lorenzon. He's quite capable of running the spread option. The biggest adjustment for him has not been being a pocket passer out of the spread. The Meyer/Mullen spread offense's pass plays are generally pocket passes. There are hardly any bootlegs or option passes. There's not really an adjustment that he has to make here. The adjustment Brantley has to make is grasping the option itself and of course the complex routes they run. The latter has little to do with the spread option, more to do with the spread, which he, like Tebow, ran in high school. He came in quite familiar with it. Really he's been working on his footwork in the Florida running game the most, that's been what he's weak at.

 

Despite not being touted as a dual threat guy. He's actually the fastest of the three and at one point was rumored to be doing the Ingram switch when it looked like Newton would run away with the QB job. Brantley's been clocked in the 4.50 range. He just needs to learn the option part of the spread. To be fair, Tebow had to too. The Urban 2 QB system wasn't your typical 2 QB system before. It was basically a variant of the Wild where Tebow would be the wingback **** who was taking a direct snap as a **** not a quarterback. It's completely different. I'm saying you could see Newton be a **** type subin if Tebow bolts, although with the emergence of Moody they probably will never need to do that. They actually have quality backs now.

 

All the **** 's are full back

 

Oh yes, Tebow as a full back is a large part of why Florida beat Tennessee in 06. I know the system well.

 

And I didn't know Brantley was that fast, interesting.

[dew1679666265]

How tall is Burton? I'd figure he'd be at least 6'1" or 6'2" if he was a running back.

 

 

I'm actually 6'1", good guess! :grin:

 

Awesome! I'm the man!

[Hosak8]

It amazes me how people get away with a lot more personal insults than I do. It's been this way forever.

 

Your respect for me- or lack thereof- is quite inconsequential. However, your point- if about defense (which was actually not the topic)- was extremely unclear. Perhaps you should do a better job clarifying the point of your post, and what you think about the topic?

 

Perhaps if you would have taken the time to actually read the entire conversation instead of targeting me with the specific purpose of a headshot to take me out on personal attacks, you would have gotten my point. Let's revisit the conversation in sequence.

 

Dew: If we had a little bit of offense this year and our QB could hand the ball off, it wouldn't have been an embarrassment this year. That said, if Tebow and Harvin are back next year you may be right.

 

Meph: The offense is in another gear with [Demps and Rainey] in the mix. In fact, Demps didn't even play on offense in that game. If Tennessee played the Gators in November you and I both know it would have probably wound up 55-3 or something worse.

 

Dew: Probably, but ya'll have done that to pretty close to everybody.

 

cubsweiser03: Not to be a dick but you dont have to be dick about this, show some respect. Its not like UT is Vanderbilt, they bring in some very good players and have talented players on the current roster.

 

Meph: It's not like [Tennessee] is UGA, FSU or LSU either. How'd that help them?

 

It shouldn't be hard to see my point looking at the conversation in sequence instead of taking comments out of context to help achieve your agenda.

 

I'm not the one who called you a dick. I took out my initial shot, because it was silly and ridiculous, and amended my initial comments. Other than that, please point out where I have insulted you. I called the tone of your posts arrogant, and I'm sure that there are many here who would agree with that. There is a reason you've been banned, no? Subtlety doesn't make your posts any less offensive, and I am sure that you are intelligent enough to understand that.

 

Of course, judging by past posts, I am not so sure that the infallible Meph is capable of such admission.

[Mark_R]

I thought Meph was given another opportunity based on him toning down the arrogance and condescension.

 

Instead, his posts since he's been back have been a combination tebow-mccoy fellating and being a massive troll in the college football thread on a weekly basis.

[B]

Don't forget your Tenn reject, Jimmy Clausen. Burton's specs are 6-2.5/215/4.51. He's a downhill runner, like Tebow and Newton. Reed's more of a shifty elusive runner.

 

Tennessee didn't reject Clausen, Jimmy rejected us for ND. Casey and Rick were both good, though.

Rick Clausen was not good.

[Derwood]

Don't forget your Tenn reject, Jimmy Clausen. Burton's specs are 6-2.5/215/4.51. He's a downhill runner, like Tebow and Newton. Reed's more of a shifty elusive runner.

 

Tennessee didn't reject Clausen, Jimmy rejected us for ND. Casey and Rick were both good, though.

Rick Clausen was not good.

 

neither is Jimmy

[Mephistopheles]

I don't see how I am trolling by merely supporting my views. I haven't attacked anyone on a personal level and haven't set out to rile up the place. I'm just supporting UT, UF or OU or whoever I honestly think is the right answer to a particular discussion. If my point was to troll this place to rile people up I would call out users personally whenever they're wrong. That's pretty easy this year if you look at the Zooker. I don't really care so I don't point it out. There's no reason to beating a dead horse.

 

Right now Dew and I were having a nice discussion about the SEC East this year. Dew didn't take my comments regarding Tennessee as anything more than thoughtful analysis from my point of view - and he's the one who has a rooting interest against my p.o.v. Hosak took the last point I made, which was putting the situation rather bluntly, and didn't read the previous discussion to look at what we were discussing or how the comment came up. There's nothing wrong with not reading an entire conversation, I make a lot of posts without reading the entire conversation and I look foolish for doing it a lot. We all do. It was not my intention to make anything of that as a personal attack towards Hosak. I did, however, take offense to the malicious comments he made towards me in his post. He was the only one who took my initial post as a downright blind thing to say. Pretty much everyone else agreed. He then continued to slam things and mock me afterwards. And then he's surprised that I react negatively to his post. I don't instigate personal arguments anymore. I used to, but I haven't since I have been back.

 

My point was that Hosak has routinely taken my posts out of context with no other intent other than to mock, slam or attack me. He never refutes my argument. I've never gotten a response from him regarding a point of mine. It's always blah meph smells blah blah meph sucks blah blah meph's a crybaby. It's never meph is wrong because ____________.

 

I'm not the one who called you a dick. I took out my initial shot, because it was silly and ridiculous, and amended my initial comments. Other than that, please point out where I have insulted you. I called the tone of your posts arrogant, and I'm sure that there are many here who would agree with that. There is a reason you've been banned, no? Subtlety doesn't make your posts any less offensive, and I am sure that you are intelligent enough to understand that.

 

I never said you called me a dick. No I have not been banned for being arrogant. Personal attacks yes, arrogant .... or as I like to describe it: Blunt. A majority of my points are taken the wrong way because I state things bluntly and don't sugarcoat negative points of view. Instead of saying "Tennessee's defense is comparable to FSU's or South Carolina's, LSU or Georgia's, and Gator fans heard how those defenses were the best the Gators would see and the Gators would be slowed down because of it. FSU, USC, UGA and LSU promptly got torched for points, so it's a fair assumption to make that the most likely scenario is Tennesee having similar difficulties stopping the offense. Instead I say something like Tennesee's no LSU, FSU or UGA. How'd that help them? The point's are the same and the argument is the same, but one's blunter than the other. Neither one is really arrogant, one's just blunt and to the point. The others a little more nicely put despite saying the same thing.

 

As far the comments that I took as personal attacks:

 

It doesn't matter, though, because wins and losses are irrelevant, remember? Translation: Meph said Ws and Ls are irrelevant. That's mind-numbingly stupid, so let's ignore that he's probably right and take the statement out of context and trash him for it and because of it everything he says is wrong because he's obviously stupid enough to make such outlandish remarks.

 

You may not have said all that, but I'm sure that's what you meant and I think you're smart enough to understand that's how that comment would be taken.

 

And with this post, almost every one of you can understand why I do not root for the conference [....] [a]nd believe me, this is TYPICAL of most Florida and Alabama fans I know. They talk an awful lot for people who don't contribute to anything that affects the game itself. Translation: Meph says a lot of things that are stupid and that post made by Meph was completely blind and stupid and shows that he is just a person who talks a lot of smack without being able to back up his comments.

 

You certainly meant that and everyone knows that. The funny part is that with that post, no one (but you) can understand why posts like that cause you not to root for the SEC. You're the only one who took it that way.

 

It is my hope that Florida then gets drilled in the Sugar Bowl by their opponent, and that Texas gets slaughtered by Oklahoma (just because Meph pimps the Longhorns as well).

 

Translation: Meph's a bitch and I hate him and hope he's miserable so I hope his teams fail in epic fashion.

 

You meant that.

 

I don't know what you originally said. I didn't catch it before the edit so I wasn't responding to those comments.

[SpongeWorthy]

If the level of civility in college football discussion drops below that of what you see on Charlie Rose a little part in me dies.

[Mephistopheles]

If the level of civility in college football discussion drops below that of what you see on Charlie Rose a little part in me dies.

 

Sanka... you dead?

[Hosak8]

My point was that Hosak has routinely taken my posts out of context with no other intent other than to mock, slam or attack me. He never refutes my argument. I've never gotten a response from him regarding a point of mine. It's always blah meph smells blah blah meph sucks blah blah meph's a crybaby. It's never meph is wrong because ____________.

 

What are you talking about? You and I have never had any discourse that I recall. I have never felt the need to refute any of your arguments, because- for the most part- I either agree with your points or think you far too convinced of your own "rightness" that you won't have an open discussion. I think this thread bears that out fairly well.

 

As far the comments that I took as personal attacks:

 

It doesn't matter, though, because wins and losses are irrelevant, remember? Translation: Meph said Ws and Ls are irrelevant. That's mind-numbingly stupid, so let's ignore that he's probably right and take the statement out of context and trash him for it and because of it everything he says is wrong because he's obviously stupid enough to make such outlandish remarks.

 

You may not have said all that, but I'm sure that's what you meant and I think you're smart enough to understand that's how that comment would be taken.

 

And with this post, almost every one of you can understand why I do not root for the conference [....] [a]nd believe me, this is TYPICAL of most Florida and Alabama fans I know. They talk an awful lot for people who don't contribute to anything that affects the game itself. Translation: Meph says a lot of things that are stupid and that post made by Meph was completely blind and stupid and shows that he is just a person who talks a lot of smack without being able to back up his comments.

 

You certainly meant that and everyone knows that. The funny part is that with that post, no one (but you) can understand why posts like that cause you not to root for the SEC. You're the only one who took it that way.

 

It is my hope that Florida then gets drilled in the Sugar Bowl by their opponent, and that Texas gets slaughtered by Oklahoma (just because Meph pimps the Longhorns as well).

 

Translation: Meph's a bitch and I hate him and hope he's miserable so I hope his teams fail in epic fashion.

 

You meant that.

 

Dude, do you really have to be so dramatic? I really do not need you to translate for me, because you obviously suck at it. I'm not calling your points "stupid". I am not saying that you have said anything that is stupid. I called your tone arrogant. How are you incapable of understanding that? And really, the "bitch" translation is the most dramatic of all. I don't think you're a bitch. I actually do think you're quite intelligent when it comes to math. I don't think you know sports nearly as well as you think you do, but I hardly think you're a "bitch". Arrogant jerk sometimes, sure, but not a bitch.

 

Why don't we just call off the dogs? I have no interest in bickering, and I know that I can be every bit as contrary as you, and I'm sure that no one else in this thread wants to watch it or wade through it. So, let's just stick to the point at hand. How does that sound?

[Mephistopheles]

Arguably the best receiving tight end in the nation could be ready to play on Saturday, making the country's best offense even more dynamic. Edited December 3, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[dew1679666265]

Don't forget your Tenn reject, Jimmy Clausen. Burton's specs are 6-2.5/215/4.51. He's a downhill runner, like Tebow and Newton. Reed's more of a shifty elusive runner.

 

Tennessee didn't reject Clausen, Jimmy rejected us for ND. Casey and Rick were both good, though.

Rick Clausen was not good.

 

Eh, he was ok. When he filled in for Ainge and Schaeffer in the 04 season he played pretty well, but then he sucked in 05 (as did the rest of the offense). He wasn't anything special, but he was a pretty smart QB.

[B]

Both columnists in ESPN.com's weekly bowl projections are now projecting North Carolina State as an opponent for Ball State in the Motor City Bowl. Its supposed to be MAC vs. Big 10, but with Ohio State expected to get an at-large BCS bid and everyone else in the Big 10 moving up a rung that would leave them one qualifier short when it comes to the Motor City Bowl.

 

That's the bowl most likely to have the BSU v. BSU game. Rick Chryst the MAC Commish said he is talking to WAC commish and Motor City Bowl guys to get it done but Boise is resisting because they want it to played at their home field (sound scared to me). Both schools are in talks right now and Ball State has already said no to playing it in Boise. It's still unlikely but its really up to a bowl to step up and ignore tie-ins or Boise to quit demanding it be played in Boise.

The Independence Bowl that Andy mentioned previously would be a good fit because both conference tie-ins fell short of having enough teams qualify to fill all of their slots. The game is supposed to be Big 12 vs. SEC, but Colorado (after losing to Nebraska) and Auburn (after losing to Alabama) are both ineligible, leaving both conferences short. From what I've read Ball State is willing to play in a bowl at a neutral site but it's Boise State that's balking (unless it were to play TCU).

Louisiana Tech is most likely going to the Indy Bowl. They're not gonna trade it to travel some place half across the country when they can play 70 miles from home.

Looks like I was right.

 

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20081203/SPORTS02/81202046/1026/SPORTS02

[dew1679666265]

Arguably the best receiving tight end in the nation could be ready to play on Saturday, making the country's best offense even more dynamic.

 

Cornelius Ingram? That'd be a boon for Florida.

[Mephistopheles]

Sorry RedFlash (and Utah)

[Mephistopheles]

Arguably the best receiving tight end in the nation could be ready to play on Saturday, making the country's best offense even more dynamic.

 

Cornelius Ingram? That'd be a boon for Florida.

 

Yep. I doubt he'd be very effective this weekend. Aaron Hernandez has actually done quite well in his own right. In 2007 the Gators loved using two tight end sets in the spread, they simply don't have the depth at tight end to do that this season. If a defensive coordinator wanted to plan for that, they need to watch game film from 2007 as well.

 

However, by January 8th, if the Gators get there, he could be the Ingram of old.

[dew1679666265]

Arguably the best receiving tight end in the nation could be ready to play on Saturday, making the country's best offense even more dynamic.

 

Cornelius Ingram? That'd be a boon for Florida.

 

Yep. I doubt he'd be very effective this weekend. Aaron Hernandez has actually done quite well in his own right. In 2007 the Gators loved using two tight end sets in the spread, they simply don't have the depth at tight end to do that this season. If a defensive coordinator wanted to plan for that, they need to watch game film from 2007 as well.

 

However, by January 8th, if the Gators get there, he could be the Ingram of old.

 

He's a senior right? I don't want to see UT try to deal with him next year.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah he's a senior and isn't eligible for a medical redshirt.