Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Magnetic Curses]

kevin towers snarky remark in 3.....2.....1

[Fred Hornkohl]

kevin towers snarky remark in 3.....2.....1

 

OK, I'll play.

 

Kevin Towers is snarky !!

[Magnetic Curses]

kevin towers snarky remark in 3.....2.....1

 

OK, I'll play.

 

Kevin Towers is snarky !!

 

no, i mean kevin towers will make a snarky remark, not that someone will make a snarky remark about him.

 

i hate that kevin towers. just trade him to us already and go back to building your 40 million dollar payroll.

[Post Count Padder]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/padres/2009/jan/18/cubs-gets-pitcher-sought-padres/?padres

[Little Slide Rooter]

OK, now Im getting to believe it could happen. Preposal time:

 

Olson

Hill

Vitters

Hart

1 or 2 of the guys we got for DeRosa.

Maybe another low level prospect.

[Jehrico]

OK, now Im getting to believe it could happen. Preposal time:

 

Olson

Hill

Vitters

Hart

1 or 2 of the guys we got for DeRosa.

Maybe another low level prospect.

Whatever the package is, we need to include Gregg too. Addition by Subtraction, if nothing else.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If only Bruce were here with an update...

[Butterscup1679666578]

He's too busy talking to Hendry about the just-agreed-upon deal.

 

 

...right?

[CUBZ99]

If only Bruce were here with an update...

 

On his blog, Bruce is stating that things are the same and that Hendry is still waiting for a new owner to be chosen.

[17 Seconds]

Yeah Bruce said this earlier today in the comments section of his blog when somebody asked if this could lead to Peavy

 

This certainly sets up the possibility of a trade. Hendry has no idea who the new owner will be, but once that happens, the internal talks will begin. If the money is there, Hendry will pursue Peavy and do so with a lot of energy. Of course, it takes two to make a deal. The Cubs are half the equation. The Cubs do feel they have enough inventory to make a deal.

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1261

[Illini Iceman]

OK, now Im getting to believe it could happen. Preposal time:

 

Olson

Hill

Vitters

Hart

1 or 2 of the guys we got for DeRosa.

Maybe another low level prospect.

Whatever the package is, we need to include Gregg too. Addition by Subtraction, if nothing else.

 

No way they are moving Gregg to the Padres. San Diego wouldn't want to take on the salary and Lou and Hendry seem to think he will be a valuable member of the pen replacing some of Wood's production.

 

If anyone else is likely to be added to the above list I would think it would be Cedeno. I don't see Hill of much interest to the Padres.

 

Maybe Olson, Vitters, Hart, Stevens, Cedeno and Wuertz?

[Fred Hornkohl]

kevin towers snarky remark in 3.....2.....1

 

OK, I'll play.

 

Kevin Towers is snarky !!

 

no, i mean kevin towers will make a snarky remark, not that someone will make a snarky remark about him.

 

i hate that kevin towers. just trade him to us already and go back to building your 40 million dollar payroll.

 

I knew that..... I was just trying to aggravate ya !! ;)

[Magnetic Curses]

kevin towers snarky remark in 3.....2.....1

 

OK, I'll play.

 

Kevin Towers is snarky !!

 

no, i mean kevin towers will make a snarky remark, not that someone will make a snarky remark about him.

 

i hate that kevin towers. just trade him to us already and go back to building your 40 million dollar payroll.

 

I knew that..... I was just trying to aggravate ya !! ;)

 

haha, i'll remember this.

[Jehrico]

OK, now Im getting to believe it could happen. Preposal time:

 

Olson

Hill

Vitters

Hart

1 or 2 of the guys we got for DeRosa.

Maybe another low level prospect.

Whatever the package is, we need to include Gregg too. Addition by Subtraction, if nothing else.

 

No way they are moving Gregg to the Padres. San Diego wouldn't want to take on the salary and Lou and Hendry seem to think he will be a valuable member of the pen replacing some of Wood's production.

 

If anyone else is likely to be added to the above list I would think it would be Cedeno. I don't see Hill of much interest to the Padres.

 

Maybe Olson, Vitters, Hart, Stevens, Cedeno and Wuertz?

I thought that right after we picked him up that the Padres were reported as being interested in him as a candidate to replace Hoffman since they don't have a closer now...

 

He'll, I'd pick up $2 mil to get rid of him in a Peavy deal if that's the bottom line. Then they'd have a what, $3 mil closer?

[BigbadB]

I thought that right after we picked him up that the Padres were reported as being interested in him as a candidate to replace Hoffman since they don't have a closer now...

 

He'll, I'd pick up $2 mil to get rid of him in a Peavy deal if that's the bottom line. Then they'd have a what, $3 mil closer?

 

It's a nice thought, but extremely doubtful. Why would the Cubs pay Gregg to play for someone else. That wasn't a contract dumping trade the Cubs made. We sent Jose Ceda to Florida for Gregg. That's taking on payroll, not dumping.

 

The Padres seem pretty happy to give Heath Bell the job. Mike Adams will probably battle Justin Hampson as the primary 8th inning set up man.

 

If the Padres have some money to spend this offseason after a Peavy trade, they may want to spend it somewhere other than closer, since they won't need a closer very often in the first place.

 

Orlando Cabrera is still available at SS. Current rumors have them looking at Omar Vizquel. Of the two, which one would you want?

[cubsfan26]

Whats with this Kevin Gregg sucks stuff? Yeah he's not a great pitcher, but saying he hurts the team? People wanna pay part of his salary to go away? You guys haven't even seen him throw a pitch yet, and the guy allowed 2 more earned runs in 2 more innings then Kerry Wood did last year(teams hit just 203/314/582 against him). Hendry was just raving about Gregg saying we were lucky to get a guy like him, with closer experience for 4m(even though he cost Ceda). So there's no chance he goes anywere in a trade at this point.

[RammyFanny]

With the news that the owner could be decided by mid-week, the timing seems awfully nice.

[cubbinalltheway]

We sure do seem to be stocking up on young pitching, which the Pads seem to be looking for. My guess is that the reason Towers and the Pads keep saying that no trade is in the works is because no trade is currently in the works, but with all of these new random pitchers, Hendry may be prepping.

 

My big hope is that somehow Hendry can get Peavy without giving up Vitters.

 

Dont bet on it. Vitters would probably be the cornerstone of the deal.

who cares? if it takes a minor league prospect to get a cy young winner, do it. vitters might be the next pie. its dumb to not acquire a cy young pitcher because of some kid that's never played at the major league level.

[Sever82]

With the news that the owner could be decided by mid-week, the timing seems awfully nice.

 

 

Whats more interesting to note is that Alderson had previously said he had a deadling of the 15th of january to announce that Peavy was off the trading block. He extended that deadline to february first which by coincidence would be after the cubs named the winning bidder. I just find it too much of a coincidence that Hendry traded for Olsen ( A player the padres wanted), Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need). I just dont by the fact that the cubs planned on trading derosa and marquis to just acquire bradley. But the more interesting trade has to be the Pie trade cause there was never a reported interest in olsen other than the peavy talks.

[CUBZ99]

With the news that the owner could be decided by mid-week, the timing seems awfully nice.

 

 

Whats more interesting to note is that Alderson had previously said he had a deadling of the 15th of january to announce that Peavy was off the trading block. He extended that deadline to february first which by coincidence would be after the cubs named the winning bidder. I just find it too much of a coincidence that Hendry traded for Olsen ( A player the padres wanted), Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need). I just dont by the fact that the cubs planned on trading derosa and marquis to just acquire bradley. But the more interesting trade has to be the Pie trade cause there was never a reported interest in olsen other than the peavy talks.

 

Hendry has in effect boxed the new owner in on acquiring Peavy. If the new owner approves the deal, he is a hero. If the new owner doesn't approve the deal, there will be outrage from Cub fans.

[BigbadB]

With the news that the owner could be decided by mid-week, the timing seems awfully nice.

 

 

Whats more interesting to note is that Alderson had previously said he had a deadling of the 15th of january to announce that Peavy was off the trading block. He extended that deadline to february first which by coincidence would be after the cubs named the winning bidder. I just find it too much of a coincidence that Hendry traded for Olsen ( A player the padres wanted), Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need). I just dont by the fact that the cubs planned on trading derosa and marquis to just acquire bradley. But the more interesting trade has to be the Pie trade cause there was never a reported interest in olsen other than the peavy talks.

 

You touched on many interesting points. Every one of these offseason moves smells like a Jake Peavy trade.

[UK1679666180]

Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need)

 

The Cubs definitely need pitching prospects, just that what they rec'd from Clev. wouldn't classify as anything elite or worth holding onto.

 

who cares? if it takes a minor league prospect to get a cy young winner, do it. vitters might be the next pie. its dumb to not acquire a cy young pitcher because of some kid that's never played at the major league level.

 

That type of thinking is what led the Yankees to where they've been for the last 5 years and not something the Cubs have the capacity to do. While I would have no problem in this case of Vitters being involved for Peavy, they should factor the state of the pipeline and what blue-chip guys are being included even if that player will help the Cubs. They trade Vitters and the cubs have maybe the worst farm in the game, espec. if Samardzija does spend the year in the Cubs' pen.

[cubsfan26]

Another thing I noticed about Hendry is when he makes a trade he usually hypes the players he gets in return to the media. He mentions how the scouts really like them, or we think he can do this or that. Yesterday Hendry did very little hyping of Garrett Olson, besides saying he could be a swing guy and that he was probably in the majors too soon. That tells me that Hendry probably isn't planning on keeping him. If he was I think we would hear about him having a great arm and how they think he could be a middle of the rotation starter in the next year or two. I heard very little about the prospects we got from the Indians either. So it's pretty obvious what Hendry plan is if he can do it. Here's what he was saying at the Cubs Convention when asked about Peavy.

 

 

Jake Peavy was briefly discussed. Hendry said because of tampering rules he could not discuss Peavy by name. He talked about the fact he does not like other organizations bringing up his players in possible deals with the media. Hendry went on to say that we would be surprised how much information in the off-season is actually true.

 

Hendry finished with the fact he is going to keep trying to improve the team. While Hendry did not say, it was implied that the Cubs are still discussing a possible Jake Peavy trade. Later in the interview, Hendry said maybe the Cubs will add a significant guy or maybe they won't but he does not think it would be right without out checking with the new owner before adding a player. Hendry added, "Maybe we can chase a bigger fish." Jim Hendry is not done "tweaking" his roster.

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/01/09cubsconvday1.php

[CUBZ99]

Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need)

 

The Cubs definitely need pitching prospects, just that what they rec'd from Clev. wouldn't classify as anything elite or worth holding onto.

 

who cares? if it takes a minor league prospect to get a cy young winner, do it. vitters might be the next pie. its dumb to not acquire a cy young pitcher because of some kid that's never played at the major league level.

 

That type of thinking is what led the Yankees to where they've been for the last 5 years and not something the Cubs have the capacity to do. While I would have no problem in this case of Vitters being involved for Peavy, they should factor the state of the pipeline and what blue-chip guys are being included even if that player will help the Cubs. They trade Vitters and the cubs have maybe the worst farm in the game, espec. if Samardzija does spend the year in the Cubs' pen.

 

To play devil's advocate, most of the contributions the Cubs have gotten from the minor leagues haven't been blue chip prospects. Soto wasn't highly rated or thought of and now is one of the better catchers in the NL. Theriot wasn't highly rated, but put in an above average season last year. It seems to me that most of the blue-chippers like Bobby Hill, David Kelton, Felix Pie, Corey Patterson, Pawelek flamed out.

 

I do agree with you that if the Cubs trade Vitters, their minors will be pretty barren.

[Sever82]

Pitching Prospects from Cleveland (Which the cubs didn't need)

 

The Cubs definitely need pitching prospects, just that what they rec'd from Clev. wouldn't classify as anything elite or worth holding onto.

 

who cares? if it takes a minor league prospect to get a cy young winner, do it. vitters might be the next pie. its dumb to not acquire a cy young pitcher because of some kid that's never played at the major league level.

 

That type of thinking is what led the Yankees to where they've been for the last 5 years and not something the Cubs have the capacity to do. While I would have no problem in this case of Vitters being involved for Peavy, they should factor the state of the pipeline and what blue-chip guys are being included even if that player will help the Cubs. They trade Vitters and the cubs have maybe the worst farm in the game, espec. if Samardzija does spend the year in the Cubs' pen.

 

 

So since you make a point like this you have to back up. What prospects exactly did the yankees give up that have turned out to be studs? You said this type of thinking have led to the yankees being where they are now. Thats kind of a weak argument because the Yankees are where they are now because they committed money to players who werent worth it. They overspent on players and yes they traded away prospect but did they trade away anything of worth and since you made this statement i'm wondering what stud prospects they gave up that have put them in this position.