Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[CUBZ99]

And what did your "analysis" conclude for you?

 

He's worth about 3 more wins than Marquis for 2009, which could easily be made up by getting a real RFer via FA. So there's no need to commit long-term large money to a starting pitcher (rarely a good idea), let alone the prospects as well. And this is easily the best team in the division with only one of those upgrades, no need to do both.

 

If you honestly believe that Peavy is worth 3 more wins than Marquis in 2009, I have some property to sell you. Don't insult someone for analysis and then try to argue that Peavy is barely more valuable than Marquis.

[cubsfan26]

I don't understand how you guys don't even care about this? You guys posted every second on here for like 5 straight days in anticipation of getting Peavy. And now that Hendry turns down this great deal for us, everyone is just like "oh well, lets go get Raul Ibanez." Are you kidding me?? Who would you rather have, Marquis and DeRosa or Peavy and Fontenot?? Thats the question Hendry should be asked. He better have something up his sleeve. He better trade Marquis in a separate deal to save a lot of money, then try and get back in this Peavy stuff.

 

 

Well all wanted him really bad, but were not retards at the same time. We realize that making this deal, would hurt our depth and possibly weaken us as a team overall. Plus what happens if we need to make another trade? You see guys like Pie, Cedeno, Hart and others as a crap. But I see them as trade chips that will allow us to possibly add another good player. If we just traded away our top prospect, our depth, and valueable trade chips, were in a bad postion for next season.

[Butterscup1679666578]

How am I a troll? I've been a member here for years. I used to go under DeuceBaseman but I got banned last year arquing with you idiots about how you guys thought Cedeno was better than Theriot and you guys thought Roberts wasnt worth Pie.

 

Well, doesn't look like you're going to last long this time around :bye:

[Hall7810]

"It doesn't look like anything is going to happen with the Cubs," Towers said.

 

"He said he's got other things going on. I respect his position," Towers said.

 

Guh. Can't multi-task--gotta get that LHB for the OF.

[daske17]

I was being dead serious! I'm so mad right now. Who cares if we dont know ALL the details. We know that Soto, Lee, Aramis, Soriano, and Marmol or any of our other SPs weren't in the deal. If that is the case, then everyone else should be fair game! Hendry is just trying to gain leverage, but it will backfire and Peavy will stay put or go to ATL, ANA, or NYY. Hendry is a moron. DeRosa?? Peavy is only 3 more wins than Marquis??? According to what? That stupid system?? I say hes 10 more wins, easily. He could easily go 20-3 for us. Marquis is probably not even a .500 pitcher. I hate this. I thought this was a "done deal?" But oh wait..... the Twins want to give us Boof Bonsor for DeRosa!!! So lets back out of getting Peavy cuz we want Boof!!! Or something stupid along those lines!! I'm so mad right now!!!! Hendry, you could have had the greatest rotation of ALL TIME!! Instead you wanted to hold on to DeRosa!

 

 

 

HAHAHAH I LOVE THE ENDING :lol:

 

That was AWESOME! I think I may have peed a little.

[MSG T]

I don't understand how you guys don't even care about this? You guys posted every second on here for like 5 straight days in anticipation of getting Peavy. And now that Hendry turns down this great deal for us, everyone is just like "oh well, lets go get Raul Ibanez." Are you kidding me?? Who would you rather have, Marquis and DeRosa or Peavy and Fontenot?? Thats the question Hendry should be asked. He better have something up his sleeve. He better trade Marquis in a separate deal to save a lot of money, then try and get back in this Peavy stuff.

 

 

I'm betting DeRo gives a bigger advantage over Fontenot than Peavy does over Marquis, in terms of wins generated. There's been no less than 10 different names associated with this deal in the last week, plus about 4 different third teams sending 1-2 players the Pads way. Just how many people are you willing to give up to get Peavy.

 

Keep in mind, since this sounds important to you, Peavy has averaged .6 more wins per season than Marquis over the last 5 years. And he's not exactly coming off his best season. Plus the rumors of arm problems.

 

Would I like to have the guy? Absolutely. Would I be willing to give up 5 useful pieces, plus 2 of some other teams useful pieces to get him? Not really. If it were just DeRo and Marquis(or Vitters), then yes, it's a done deal. However, that's not even close to what was involved here.

[Keener98]

Gammons was just on ESPN saying he doesnt believe the deal is dead, more like on life support. He says he believes Peavy will be a Cub by spring training mainly because Peavy really only wants to come to the Cubs. He said by holding onto him until deadline Peavy could make the Pads take less of a package by maintaining his stance of only wanting to go the Cubs. Its Gammons I know, but just trying to share some info.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And what did your "analysis" conclude for you?

 

He's worth about 3 more wins than Marquis for 2009, which could easily be made up by getting a real RFer via FA. So there's no need to commit long-term large money to a starting pitcher (rarely a good idea), let alone the prospects as well. And this is easily the best team in the division with only one of those upgrades, no need to do both.

 

If you honestly believe that Peavy is worth 3 more wins than Marquis in 2009, I have some property to sell you. Don't insult someone for analysis and then try to argue that Peavy is barely more valuable than Marquis.

 

30 runs difference in VORP in 2008 in thoroughly ordinary seasons for both of them.

 

Three wins isn't "barely," three wins is a lot.

[Keener98]

How am I a troll? I've been a member here for years. I used to go under DeuceBaseman but I got banned last year arquing with you idiots about how you guys thought Cedeno was better than Theriot and you guys thought Roberts wasnt worth Pie.

 

Well, doesn't look like you're going to last long this time around :bye:

 

Wait, wasnt he also the one who did the "study" on sliding into 1st base....hahaha

[shnsajax]

Gammons was just on ESPN saying he doesnt believe the deal is dead, more like on life support. He says he believes Peavy will be a Cub by spring training mainly because Peavy really only wants to come to the Cubs. He said by holding onto him until deadline Peavy could make the Pads take less of a package by maintaining his stance of only wanting to go the Cubs. Its Gammons I know, but just trying to share some info.

 

Peavy has Towers by the sac, not Towers by Hendry's sac. If we wait 2 months and give up less, while in the process signing/trading for a quality LF is that really a bad thing.

[Sever82]

Committing $72 million to a pitcher with rumors of arm problems in exchange for your top prospect and the third-best 2b in the league last year is not a no-brainer.

 

Rumors of arm troubles? What are you talking about, just because he was on the DL last year doesn't mean he has arm troubles. The guys has pitched over 200 innings how many years? If he had a record like Harden than i would understand but i feel an argument like this is weak. I mean if you want to go there, you can say Vitters has Wrist Troubles cause he has had a record with his wrist.

[laurens]

How am I a troll? I've been a member here for years. I used to go under DeuceBaseman but I got banned last year arquing with you idiots about how you guys thought Cedeno was better than Theriot and you guys thought Roberts wasnt worth Pie.

 

Well, doesn't look like you're going to last long this time around :bye:

 

Wait, wasnt he also the one who did the "study" on sliding into 1st base....hahaha

 

Seriously? :rotfl:

[justlikethecubs]

Gammons was just on ESPN saying he doesnt believe the deal is dead, more like on life support. He says he believes Peavy will be a Cub by spring training mainly because Peavy really only wants to come to the Cubs. He said by holding onto him until deadline Peavy could make the Pads take less of a package by maintaining his stance of only wanting to go the Cubs. Its Gammons I know, but just trying to share some info.

 

Peavy has Towers by the sac, not Towers by Hendry's sac. If we wait 2 months and give up less, while in the process signing/trading for a quality LF is that really a bad thing.

 

I have seen two people use LF now. Did I miss something in the last hour? Is Soriano going to be playing somewhere else?

[anabiono]

pwned

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I used to go under DeuceBaseman

that explains it

[David]

How am I a troll? I've been a member here for years. I used to go under DeuceBaseman but I got banned last year arquing with you idiots about how you guys thought Cedeno was better than Theriot and you guys thought Roberts wasnt worth Pie.

 

HAHAHHAA WOW

[David]

Epic trolling is awesome...

[YearofDaCubs]

Gammons was just on ESPN saying he doesnt believe the deal is dead, more like on life support. He says he believes Peavy will be a Cub by spring training mainly because Peavy really only wants to come to the Cubs. He said by holding onto him until deadline Peavy could make the Pads take less of a package by maintaining his stance of only wanting to go the Cubs. Its Gammons I know, but just trying to share some info.

 

Peavy has Towers by the sac, not Towers by Hendry's sac. If we wait 2 months and give up less, while in the process signing/trading for a quality LF is that really a bad thing.

 

I have seen two people use LF now. Did I miss something in the last hour? Is Soriano going to be playing somewhere else?

I can only wish for that to be true..

[UMFan83]

Hey Deuce, your thoughts on Reed Johnson throwing out his back diving into first (and getting out by a hair when running past the bag would have made him safe and tied the game) in Tampa last June?

 

I seriously remember thinking when that happened "I am going to remember this moment in case I ever talk to Deucebaseman again"

Edited December 11, 2008 by UMFan83

[Cubswin11]

Gammons was just on ESPN saying he doesnt believe the deal is dead, more like on life support. He says he believes Peavy will be a Cub by spring training mainly because Peavy really only wants to come to the Cubs. He said by holding onto him until deadline Peavy could make the Pads take less of a package by maintaining his stance of only wanting to go the Cubs. Its Gammons I know, but just trying to share some info.

 

Peavy has Towers by the sac, not Towers by Hendry's sac. If we wait 2 months and give up less, while in the process signing/trading for a quality LF is that really a bad thing.

No it's not a bad thing and I think a good amount of this is still negotiating tactics. Both GM's will go home and take care of other things, it has been long reported that the cubs want a OF before Peavy, and maybe in a week or so Towers will still realize that there is pretty much no way to be able to afford Peavy and trade talks will resume being that the Cubs are really the only team that something can get done with and the demands will likely lower. I still think there is a decent chance of something happening. It's December freakin 11th we have around 2 months before pitchers and catchers even report a lot of things can and probably will happen.

[ChiCubsFan]

I'm a little disappointed because I would have loved to see a rotation that awesome, but honestly, this is probably for the best. if peavy doesn't change his stance, then the pads will have no choice but to accept less from us and i would be okay with that. if it doesn't ever happen then we retain our trade chips (Vitters, Pie, Marshall, Cedeno, etc), keep dero and his flexibility (who would be very valuable to have if we sign the fragile Milton Bradley), and save money now and in the future. maybe now we have the money to sign furcal and bradley and still have dero to play rf if/when bradley gets injured.

[javy knows my name]

Am I the only one who doesn't believe this guy is really DB or for real at all? Kinda seems like a prank (especially considering DB didn't last but 2 months or so here yet he claims to have been here for years).

 

Oh yeah, Peavy. I think we'll get him and I think what's holding it up right now is getting rid of Marquis and I would guess the issue of Vitters or Pie (and not both).

[umpunk]

Gammons was just on ESPN saying he doesnt believe the deal is dead, more like on life support. He says he believes Peavy will be a Cub by spring training mainly because Peavy really only wants to come to the Cubs. He said by holding onto him until deadline Peavy could make the Pads take less of a package by maintaining his stance of only wanting to go the Cubs. Its Gammons I know, but just trying to share some info.

 

Peavy has Towers by the sac, not Towers by Hendry's sac. If we wait 2 months and give up less, while in the process signing/trading for a quality LF is that really a bad thing.

 

I have seen two people use LF now. Did I miss something in the last hour? Is Soriano going to be playing somewhere else?

 

Haha - one of those guys was me. I keep forgetting we are actually going to put Bradley or Ibanez in right field.

[Hall7810]

How am I a troll? I've been a member here for years. I used to go under DeuceBaseman but I got banned last year arquing with you idiots about how you guys thought Cedeno was better than Theriot and you guys thought Roberts wasnt worth Pie.

 

 

Wait. Aren't you the guy who advocates sliding headfirst, into first, because it's faster?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Committing $72 million to a pitcher with rumors of arm problems in exchange for your top prospect and the third-best 2b in the league last year is not a no-brainer.

 

Rumors of arm troubles? What are you talking about, just because he was on the DL last year doesn't mean he has arm troubles. The guys has pitched over 200 innings how many years? If he had a record like Harden than i would understand but i feel an argument like this is weak. I mean if you want to go there, you can say Vitters has Wrist Troubles cause he has had a record with his wrist.

 

Yes, you can and should mention Vitters' wrist.

 

Yes, going on the DL means arm problems. They didn't put him there to clear up a roster spot for Josh Banks. And the fact that Peavy's had so many consecutive seasons of big innings should make you more wary, not less.