Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[LetsPlayTwo1679629188]

True, and its not a long term commitment as he will be a FA after this year. I still don't think its as easy as saying 'all we have to do is get rid of marquis and we have Peavy". I don't think there will be a market for Marquis until several of the middle range FA starters get signed.

 

I don't really see all that many "middle range FA starters" as being available. Even guys like Oliver Perez and Jon Garland are going to command dollars that small market teams can't afford. I suppose there could be a few nontenders out there, but it would be a real shocker that teams are so fruitful with starting pitchers that they can afford to nontender one.

 

A guy like Randy Johnson isn't going to sign with KC. He'll get a deal with a team that has a reasonable chance to make the playoffs, or he will take his toys and go home.

 

A couple weeks ago I heard someone on MLB radio talking about FA pitchers. That person (Buck Martinez I think) said that a FA pitcher usually costs $1 million per win. Based on what starters are getting lately this seems pretty accurate. If a team could get Marquis for 5 million on a one year deal they'd probably consider that a bargain.

 

We all hate Marquis but he could help a lot of teams by eating innings to protect their younger pitchers. There's also the walk year factor.

Agreed, for as much as Marquis is disliked around here he is really a average #4 starter and above average #5 starter. His salary might be a little inflated for his production but I am sure Hendry can find a team to take him on for $6-7 mil for this season, if we can make up the remaining $2.5-3.5 mil I think it's a decent deal if we can get back prospect(s), or a piece to complete the Peavy trade. Add in the fact that Marquis is in his last year of his contract, usually players perform better in contract seasons, $6-7 mil for 11-13 wins isn't all that bad plus it is almost guaranteed he pitches 180-200 innings, which makes him more attractive to teams with younger pitchers/injury prone pitchers. If Olsen is really the missing piece in the Peavy trade, a Pie+Marquis@$6-7 mil for Olsen+a prospect isn't all that bad of a trade, and I would think Marquis has some appeal to the Orioles as they have younger pitching and they probably want a guy that is going to take the ball every 5 days and go close to 200 innings and win 12 games.

 

Like I said above, why even jinx it by asking for a prospect? If Marquis is the only hold up, lets just bite the bullet and give Marquis to Baltimore with Pie. Seems to me they would jump at Pie and Marquis for Olson and then we would have a done deal, if Marquis is indeed the only sticking point.

[cubsfan26]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season. Some GM is gonna look at the record and era when starting though and see Marquis is probably worth the risk at 1y 6-7m. I think it all depends on how the market ends up being for starting pitchers this offseason.

[Jehrico]

Any GM who trades for Marquis will likely get us to eat a couple of million at least. So, for 7 mil, you can get a league average starter who will likely rate good enough of a FA to get at least one, if not two draft picks next year when the contract expires.

 

You could certainly do alot worse, especially considering the deals that some guys got last year, like Carlos Silva.

[abuck1220]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season.

 

no, that's not why he had a high era. not at all.

[JeffH]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season.

 

no, that's not why he had a high era. not at all.

 

I believe you are misunderstanding his point.

[cubsfan26]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season.

 

no, that's not why he had a high era. not at all.

 

Huh??

 

Marquis 07

12-9, 4.43 era in 33 starts in 191 IP

 

On the last game of the season he pitched out of the pen and gave up 4 ER in 0.2 IP. So total era went up to 4.60

 

Marquis 08

11-9, 4.43 era in 28 starts in 166.2 IP

 

On the second to last game of the season, Marquis pitched out of the pen and gave up 2 ER in 0.1 IP So total era went up to 4.53.

 

 

Some GM is gonna look at that and see that Marquis era when starting was much better, and believe that his era was higher because he struggled in meaningless games out of the pen on the final few days of the season.

[David]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season.

 

no, that's not why he had a high era. not at all.

[JWCUB]

Braves In Serious Discussions For Javier Vazquez

By Tim Dierkes [December 2 at 4:22pm CST]

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Braves are in serious discussions with the White Sox for starter Javier Vazquez. The White Sox could receive as many as three players, with Jo-Jo Reyes and Brent Lillibridge among the names discussed. Vazquez is set to earn $11.5MM in each of the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Acquiring him would definitely take some pressure off the Braves, who aim to add two quality starters to put in front of Jair Jurrjens.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

That may take them out of the Peavy situation.

[17 Seconds]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season.

 

no, that's not why he had a high era. not at all.

 

Huh??

 

Marquis 07

12-9, 4.43 era in 33 starts in 191 IP

 

On the last game of the season he pitched out of the pen and gave up 4 ER in 0.2 IP. So total era went up to 4.60

 

Marquis 08

11-9, 4.43 era in 28 starts in 166.2 IP

 

On the second to last game of the season, Marquis pitched out of the pen and gave up 2 ER in 0.1 IP So total era went up to 4.53.

 

 

Some GM is gonna look at that and see that Marquis era when starting was much better, and believe that his era was higher because he struggled in meaningless games out of the pen on the final few days of the season.

 

I'd imagine that GMs are smart enough to look past just ERA and w-l record when trying to determine how good a pitcher was

[JeffH]

I'd imagine that GMs are smart enough to look past just ERA and w-l record when trying to determine how good a pitcher was

 

That's some imagination you've got there.

[17 Seconds]

I'd imagine that GMs are smart enough to look past just ERA and w-l record when trying to determine how good a pitcher was

 

That's some imagination you've got there.

 

So you hate every GM and not just Hendry? Did they kick your dog?

[JWCUB]

4:53pm: Rosenthal now says the Braves are on the verge of acquiring Vazquez.

[Exile on Waveland]

Marquis has goen 23-18, with a 4.43 era in 61 starts the last two years. Yes his total era's were higher, but thats only because he got bombed out of the bullpen in meaningless games the last day or two of the season.

 

no, that's not why he had a high era. not at all.

 

Huh??

 

Marquis 07

12-9, 4.43 era in 33 starts in 191 IP

 

On the last game of the season he pitched out of the pen and gave up 4 ER in 0.2 IP. So total era went up to 4.60

 

Marquis 08

11-9, 4.43 era in 28 starts in 166.2 IP

 

On the second to last game of the season, Marquis pitched out of the pen and gave up 2 ER in 0.1 IP So total era went up to 4.53.

 

 

Some GM is gonna look at that and see that Marquis era when starting was much better, and believe that his era was higher because he struggled in meaningless games out of the pen on the final few days of the season.

 

I'd imagine that GMs are smart enough to look past just ERA and w-l record when trying to determine how good a pitcher was

 

Uh, no.

[BigbadB]

I'd imagine that GMs are smart enough to look past just ERA and w-l record when trying to determine how good a pitcher was

 

That's some imagination you've got there.

 

So you hate every GM and not just Hendry? Did they kick your dog?

 

Consistency is a virtue.

[RedFlash]

Any GM who trades for Marquis will likely get us to eat a couple of million at least. So, for 7 mil, you can get a league average starter who will likely rate good enough of a FA to get at least one, if not two draft picks next year when the contract expires.

 

You could certainly do alot worse, especially considering the deals that some guys got last year, like Carlos Silva.

 

If the Vazquez trade goes through, then it gives me hope that the Cubs can move Marquis without eating any of the money.

[17 Seconds]

Any GM who trades for Marquis will likely get us to eat a couple of million at least. So, for 7 mil, you can get a league average starter who will likely rate good enough of a FA to get at least one, if not two draft picks next year when the contract expires.

 

You could certainly do alot worse, especially considering the deals that some guys got last year, like Carlos Silva.

 

If the Vazquez trade goes through, then it gives me hope that the Cubs can move Marquis without eating any of the money.

 

Again, I don't understand why you're comparing Vazquez to Marquis. Vazquez actually has the ability to be good. Marquis isn't even close towhat Vazquez is. Even when javier's ERA is high his peripherals are all good. Last year was the first year he posted a WHIP above 1.29 (1.32) since 2000.

Edited December 2, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[JWCUB]

5:34pm: Rosenthal says an announcement could come Wednesday or Thursday. He says Lillibridge is in the deal along with a young starter, but it's not Reyes. Additionally, highly regarded catcher Tyler Flowers might be the third prospect (which would improve the trade quite a bit for the Sox). Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein says Flowers profiles as an offense-first catcher, but there are questions about his ability to stay behind the plate.

 

5:19pm: ESPN's Peter Gammons says Vazquez is flying to Atlanta tomorrow for a physical; the deal will be finalized then. The White Sox will send Vazquez and lefty Boone Logan to the Braves for Reyes, Lillibridge, and another prospect. I'm wondering - with Reyes and another prospect gone, do the Braves still have the goods to pull off a Jake Peavy trade? With Vazquez added, the Braves should be less desperate if talks for Peavy resume.

[BigbadB]

I'm wondering - with Reyes and another prospect gone, do the Braves still have the goods to pull off a Jake Peavy trade? With Vazquez added, the Braves should be less desperate if talks for Peavy resume.

 

Only if they've completely forgotten what made them such a good team throughout the entire '90's and halfway through the '00's.

 

I honestly can't figure out what they are trying to do. If there really was a huge window of opportunity right now, I could see going for it. But, Philadelphia is coming off a World Series victory and should be even better in '09 and you know the Mets will be spending freely this offseason with a pretty strong supporting cast already in the fold. It just doesn't make sense.

[17 Seconds]

I asked Churchill if the Vazquez trade def. took the Braves out of the Peavy talks

 

Yes.

 

And the Orioles are balking at the cost of young players the Padres/Cubs are wanting in the three-way. Those talks may drag on for awhile.

[UMFan83]

I asked Churchill if the Vazquez trade def. took the Braves out of the Peavy talks

 

Yes.

 

And the Orioles are balking at the cost of young players the Padres/Cubs are wanting in the three-way. Those talks may drag on for awhile.

 

Wow the Orioles are slowing talks down? That's strange because usually when the Orioles get involved in trades they happen like instantly.

 

/sarcasm

[cubsfan26]

I asked Churchill if the Vazquez trade def. took the Braves out of the Peavy talks

 

Yes.

 

And the Orioles are balking at the cost of young players the Padres/Cubs are wanting in the three-way. Those talks may drag on for awhile.

 

I hate Andy MacPhail, that a$$clown can never make up his mind. I can't believe he was in charge of the Cubs for so many years.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I asked Churchill if the Vazquez trade def. took the Braves out of the Peavy talks

 

Yes.

 

And the Orioles are balking at the cost of young players the Padres/Cubs are wanting in the three-way. Those talks may drag on for awhile.

 

I hate Andy MacPhail, that a$$clown can never make up his mind. I can't believe he was in charge of the Cubs for so many years.

 

One has to wonder how much of it is due to the owner. Angelos is a schmuck.

[cubsfan26]

I asked Churchill if the Vazquez trade def. took the Braves out of the Peavy talks

 

Yes.

 

And the Orioles are balking at the cost of young players the Padres/Cubs are wanting in the three-way. Those talks may drag on for awhile.

 

I hate Andy MacPhail, that a$$clown can never make up his mind. I can't believe he was in charge of the Cubs for so many years.

 

One has to wonder how much of it is due to the owner. Angelos is a schmuck.

 

Yeah thats possible, but I dunno if he would care all that much about Garrett Olson or their pitching prospects. Everything Andy MacPhail does is in slow motion. He's a little wimpy guy who is always scared about getting ripped off and takes forever to make a decision. I heard over the last month, that last offseason Andy MacPhail would tell the Cubs what it would cost to get Roberts. Hendry would try to get him for less, but then gave in and agreed to MacPhail package. Then MacPhail would change his mind, and decide it wasn't enough. Thats why we kept hearing reports that the Cubs were close to getting Roberts so often. Because plenty of Cubs sources probably thought they were gonna get him after agreeing to MacPhail price. I dunno if that rumor is true or not, but that makes me not wanna do business at all with MacPhail this offseason.

[17 Seconds]

Churchill was talking about how the Orioles are being unreasonable with their demands for Olson, and he told me this

 

Get this. They asked the Cubs to ask the Padres to agree to trade Chase Headley in the deal.

 

Hahaha. Now, who knows if there is any truth to this, but I totally can believe that.

[BCVM22]

It's always the [expletive] Orioles.