College Football - Week of 11/22

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's no way you can keep Oklahoma behind Texas after this dominant of a performance. You'll probably see them jump Florida in the polls too - though is Texas Tech really any better than Georgia? The answer in reality is probably no.

 

Tech is absolutely better than Georgia, and they have the record to prove it.

 

They have the record to prove it? If they play Florida, they lose. If they play Alabama, they probably lose. That's the two losses that Georgia has. It's really up for debate. You can throw Texas Tech, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, and Utah all in the same group.

 

What's Georgia's big win? 4 loss LSU or 4 loss South Carolina?

[Mephistopheles]

Well the way Florida is playing just about everyone in the nation outside of USC and Oklahoma would get creamed by them. They didn't get creamed against Alabama. Really, we take from that game that Alabama was *slightly* better than Georgia on that day and I emphasize slightly for predicative power. Of course, I don't expect you realize this. You've always been a slave to wins and losses.

[TruffleShuffle]

Well the way Florida is playing just about everyone in the nation outside of USC and Oklahoma would get creamed by them. They didn't get creamed against Alabama. Really, we take from that game that Alabama was *slightly* better than Georgia on that day and I emphasize slightly for predicative power. Of course, I don't expect you realize this. You've always been a slave to wins and losses.

 

:lol:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well the way Florida is playing just about everyone in the nation outside of USC and Oklahoma would get creamed by them. They didn't get creamed against Alabama. Really, we take from that game that Alabama was *slightly* better than Georgia on that day and I emphasize slightly for predicative power. Of course, I don't expect you realize this. You've always been a slave to wins and losses.

 

By this logic, Georgia is only slightly better than 5 loss Kentucky and Vandy, 6 loss Auburn, 4 loss South Carolina, and 7 loss Tennessee.

[Mephistopheles]

There's no way you can keep Oklahoma behind Texas after this dominant of a performance. You'll probably see them jump Florida in the polls too - though is Texas Tech really any better than Georgia? The answer in reality is probably no.

 

Tech is absolutely better than Georgia, and they have the record to prove it.

 

They have the record to prove it? If they play Florida, they lose. If they play Alabama, they probably lose. That's the two losses that Georgia has. It's really up for debate. You can throw Texas Tech, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, and Utah all in the same group.

 

What's Georgia's big win? 4 loss LSU or 4 loss South Carolina?

 

Okay? Your point? We're not sitting here and looking at the quality of their resumes. We're looking at what would happen if they were to play. That's the point. Really, all I am saying is that Texas Tech's reputation was built largely on teams that were probably not nearly as good as we thought they were. Georgia's reputation was partly built on last years team - and it should be considering it's essentially the same team.

 

If you put Texas Tech and Georgia on the same field, it's going to be a close game. Texas Tech's not better than Georgia by much - if at all. On the other hand, Georgia's not better than Texas Tech by that much if at all. They're interchangeable. I will give you that their resume this season based purely on the wins is higher. However, considering everything it takes to make a rational decision to decide who is more likely to win if they played, we need to take in a helluva lot more than just who they've beaten, who they lost to and so on. Once you sum up everything, really Georgia's not any worse than Tech.

[dew1679666265]

There's no way you can keep Oklahoma behind Texas after this dominant of a performance. You'll probably see them jump Florida in the polls too - though is Texas Tech really any better than Georgia? The answer in reality is probably no.

 

Tech is absolutely better than Georgia, and they have the record to prove it.

 

They have the record to prove it? If they play Florida, they lose. If they play Alabama, they probably lose. That's the two losses that Georgia has. It's really up for debate. You can throw Texas Tech, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, and Utah all in the same group.

 

What's Georgia's big win? 4 loss LSU or 4 loss South Carolina?

 

Tennessee. That was a hard fought win.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's no way you can keep Oklahoma behind Texas after this dominant of a performance. You'll probably see them jump Florida in the polls too - though is Texas Tech really any better than Georgia? The answer in reality is probably no.

 

Tech is absolutely better than Georgia, and they have the record to prove it.

 

They have the record to prove it? If they play Florida, they lose. If they play Alabama, they probably lose. That's the two losses that Georgia has. It's really up for debate. You can throw Texas Tech, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, and Utah all in the same group.

 

What's Georgia's big win? 4 loss LSU or 4 loss South Carolina?

 

Okay? Your point? We're not sitting here and looking at the quality of their resumes. We're looking at what would happen if they were to play. That's the point. Really, all I am saying is that Texas Tech's reputation was built largely on teams that were probably not nearly as good as we thought they were. Georgia's reputation was partly built on last years team - and it should be considering it's essentially the same team.

 

If you put Texas Tech and Georgia on the same field, it's going to be a close game. Texas Tech's not better than Georgia by much - if at all. On the other hand, Georgia's not better than Texas Tech by that much if at all. They're interchangeable. I will give you that their resume this season based purely on the wins is higher. However, considering everything it takes to make a rational decision to decide who is more likely to win if they played, we need to take in a helluva lot more than just who they've beaten, who they lost to and so on. Once you sum up everything, really Georgia's not any worse than Tech.

 

You are really all over the place, your valuation of how good teams are varies to make the SEC team in question look better, or non-SEC team in question look worse.

[Mephistopheles]

Well the way Florida is playing just about everyone in the nation outside of USC and Oklahoma would get creamed by them. They didn't get creamed against Alabama. Really, we take from that game that Alabama was *slightly* better than Georgia on that day and I emphasize slightly for predicative power. Of course, I don't expect you realize this. You've always been a slave to wins and losses.

 

By this logic, Georgia is only slightly better than 5 loss Kentucky and Vandy, 6 loss Auburn, 4 loss South Carolina, and 7 loss Tennessee.

 

Except Georgia's win over Auburn in reality was more than four points on the scoreboard. Except that Georgia's win over Kentucky was A LOT more than the four points on the scoreboard. Let's put it this way, Stafford did more offense than Kentucky did....and Moreno went off in that game. Georgia kicked the crap out of Vandy. Georgia kicked the crap out of Tennessee. Georgia didn't kill the fighting Ball Coach's, but the '[expletive] aren't a bad football team. They're decent.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well the way Florida is playing just about everyone in the nation outside of USC and Oklahoma would get creamed by them. They didn't get creamed against Alabama. Really, we take from that game that Alabama was *slightly* better than Georgia on that day and I emphasize slightly for predicative power. Of course, I don't expect you realize this. You've always been a slave to wins and losses.

 

By this logic, Georgia is only slightly better than 5 loss Kentucky and Vandy, 6 loss Auburn, 4 loss South Carolina, and 7 loss Tennessee.

 

Except Georgia's win over Auburn in reality was more than four points on the scoreboard. Except that Georgia's win over Kentucky was A LOT more than the four points on the scoreboard. Let's put it this way, Stafford did more offense than Kentucky did....and Moreno went off in that game. Georgia kicked the crap out of Vandy. Georgia kicked the crap out of Tennessee. Georgia didn't kill the fighting Ball Coach's, but the '[expletive] aren't a bad football team. They're decent.

 

Are you really making this argument in comparison to a game where Alabama went up on Georgia by 31 points, then played out the clock in the second half? This is embarrassing.

[TruffleShuffle]

can we get back to the discussion of how UNC could give any of the top 4 teams in the big xii a run for their money? i guess by extension, we could expect the wolfpack of n.c. state to possibly beat oklahoma or texas.

[Andy]

Has Notre Dame won 6 games yet?

Fortunately for you, yes, you can watch us get crushed in the Sun Bowl by whoever the hell the Pac-10 feels like sending.

 

unfortunate for ND, actually. Payout, sure, but you're more than likely going to lose your 10th straight bowl game

I really don't care about the bowl streak as much as everyone else does. None of those outcomes really meant anything (I like bowls, but the fact is except for the national title game, none of those outcomes really mean anything - it's about the experience). I'm glad the young players can get another month of practice time before (hopefully) the new coach comes in. That's all I really care about.

 

I actually hope ya'll fire Weiss because I heard a (very unreliable) rumor that ND would then go after Urban Meyer and there would be mutual interest.

 

I'm almost certain it's not the least bit true, but it still made me happy.

 

Oh come now, that rumor went around the last time Notre Dame had a vacancy.

There was an editorial in a Florida paper this week where the columnist believes Meyer would go to ND soon or perhaps now because the circumstances are different. Four years ago Meyer had a young family that he didn't want to uproot, and now that family is not so young. His biography still states that Notre Dame is his dream job - and it was updated after he took the Florida gig.

 

I'm not sure how much I believe any talk of Meyer (or whether ND would even try and pursue him a 2nd time), but GD it, would that be nice.

[Mephistopheles]

You are really all over the place, your valuation of how good teams are varies to make the SEC team in question look better, or non-SEC team in question look worse.

 

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina. They outplayed everyone else they played. 10 games is a small sample, but since they returned a LOT of players from the 2007 team, their success in that season probably has more predicative value than most teams previous years.

 

Texas Tech on the other hand. They were only outplayed once this season: against Oklahoma, which is comparable to Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Texas and Nebraska. Hey Texas is similar to Alabama and South Carolina is certainly no worse than Nebraska (probably a lot better). They also outplayed everyone else on their schedule.

 

Really, the body of work this season for the two teams is comparable. Seriously, if Michael Crabtree is pushed out of bounds against Texas, and then Texas Tech got creamed by Oklahoma, everybody would rank Georgia ahead of Texas Tech and this wouldn't even be a question.

[bcl412]

Minnesota must have forgot there was a game today.

[Mephistopheles]

Well the way Florida is playing just about everyone in the nation outside of USC and Oklahoma would get creamed by them. They didn't get creamed against Alabama. Really, we take from that game that Alabama was *slightly* better than Georgia on that day and I emphasize slightly for predicative power. Of course, I don't expect you realize this. You've always been a slave to wins and losses.

 

By this logic, Georgia is only slightly better than 5 loss Kentucky and Vandy, 6 loss Auburn, 4 loss South Carolina, and 7 loss Tennessee.

 

Except Georgia's win over Auburn in reality was more than four points on the scoreboard. Except that Georgia's win over Kentucky was A LOT more than the four points on the scoreboard. Let's put it this way, Stafford did more offense than Kentucky did....and Moreno went off in that game. Georgia kicked the crap out of Vandy. Georgia kicked the crap out of Tennessee. Georgia didn't kill the fighting Ball Coach's, but the '[expletive] aren't a bad football team. They're decent.

 

Are you really making this argument in comparison to a game where Alabama went up on Georgia by 31 points, then played out the clock in the second half? This is embarrassing.

 

As far as predicative value goes, it's the right argument to make. Alabama didn't pull their starters. In fact, in this little place I like to call reality, Georgia really wasn't getting their ass kicked in the first half despite the score. They had problems stopping Alabama, but they had no problem moving the ball. They had two turnovers deep in Alabama's territory.

 

You guys need to learn to look for these things if you want to properly evaluate how good teams truly are, not just how good their resume is.

[TruffleShuffle]

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina.

 

this is really mind boggling. alabama was ahead 31-0 at halftime, but because georgia spent all second half piling up yardage through the air and scored a bunch of points that were next to meaningless, while alabama was just chewing up time by running the ball. anyone with any sort of sense would say that alabama carried the play in that game, but according to you it was basically a coin toss. that is just a terrible understanding of everything.

[imb]

my mind is bottled

[dew1679666265]

Cincy was on the edge of giving up a 28-7 lead to Pitt, but recovered an onside kick with 1:22 left.

 

28-21 Cincy right now, 1:16 left and Pitt with one timeout. Prospective Tennessee head coaches not looking stellar tonight.

[Mephistopheles]

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina.

 

this is really mind boggling. alabama was ahead 31-0 at halftime, but because georgia spent all second half piling up yardage through the air and scored a bunch of points that were next to meaningless, while alabama was just chewing up time by running the ball. anyone with any sort of sense would say that alabama carried the play in that game, but according to you it was basically a coin toss. that is just a terrible understanding of everything.

 

I am not saying that Alabama barely won. I am saying that as far what we take away from the game is that Alabama wasn't all that better than Georgia. Alabama and Georgia each displayed similar abilities to prevent/move the ball. The difference in the game (and in all games) was decided by special teams and turnovers. Alabama didn't turn the ball over and Georgia did it twice. However, turnovers are pretty random events. They're not very stable and generally it's better to ignore fumbles all together unless you're an option team - even though they are THE most important thing when it comes to who actually wins the game.

[dew1679666265]

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina.

 

this is really mind boggling. alabama was ahead 31-0 at halftime, but because georgia spent all second half piling up yardage through the air and scored a bunch of points that were next to meaningless, while alabama was just chewing up time by running the ball. anyone with any sort of sense would say that alabama carried the play in that game, but according to you it was basically a coin toss. that is just a terrible understanding of everything.

 

I'll take Meph's side to an extent on this one.

 

Georgia was down big at halftime, no doubt. But, they did turn the ball over at least twice deep in Bama territory. Had they not turned it over and, instead, punched it in, you're looking at a potentially two score game at the break.

 

Bama legitimately won that game big, but didn't outplay UGA quite as much as the score would indicate. Hope that makes sense.

[RedFlash]

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina.

 

this is really mind boggling. alabama was ahead 31-0 at halftime, but because georgia spent all second half piling up yardage through the air and scored a bunch of points that were next to meaningless, while alabama was just chewing up time by running the ball. anyone with any sort of sense would say that alabama carried the play in that game, but according to you it was basically a coin toss. that is just a terrible understanding of everything.

 

Yes. While the score said 41-30, the game was not as close as the score may have indicated. There was a BADLY miss call on the punt return (there were two block in the back on the punt return that were not called, and the SEC admitted to the mistake) and the other two scores came withint 5 or so minutes left in the game. Anybody who saw the game knows Alabama whupped GA. So yeah, Meph doesn't have a leg to stand on in this case. GA was simply outplayed by Alabama regardless of the score.

[Mephistopheles]

Bama legitimately won that game big, but didn't outplay UGA quite as much as the score would indicate. Hope that makes sense.

 

Exactly. Which is more important when it comes to predicting the future? The latter of course. That being said, with each week we learn more and more about teams and adjust things accordingly. And really, after a game like this. Oklahoma is going to be in the class of Florida and USC. Really the concern with them was their defense. We knew they had enough offense and special teams to be mentioned in the same breath as Florida and of course USC. We didn't know if the defense was good enough, but a performance like this answers those questions. Last week I split up the top ten or so into tiers. We can put Oklahoma in the top tier after this game with SC and UF, unfortunately.

[TruffleShuffle]

lol @ the cincy fans charging the field after beating pitt

[Mephistopheles]

Edit: we don't know about OU's kicking game. Now they have what? five FGs all season?

[TruffleShuffle]

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina.

 

this is really mind boggling. alabama was ahead 31-0 at halftime, but because georgia spent all second half piling up yardage through the air and scored a bunch of points that were next to meaningless, while alabama was just chewing up time by running the ball. anyone with any sort of sense would say that alabama carried the play in that game, but according to you it was basically a coin toss. that is just a terrible understanding of everything.

 

Yes. While the score said 41-30, the game was not as close as the score may have indicated. There was a BADLY miss call on the punt return (there were two block in the back on the punt return that were not called, and the SEC admitted to the mistake) and the other two scores came withint 5 or so minutes left in the game. Anybody who saw the game knows Alabama whupped GA. So yeah, Meph doesn't have a leg to stand on in this case. GA was simply outplayed by Alabama regardless of the score.

 

only a homer like yourself could bitch about officiating in a game your team won by a country mile.

[dew1679666265]

Not really, my logic is pretty damn simple. My logic for Georgia is quite simple. They were only outplayed once this season: against Florida. They were equaled twice this season: Alabama and South Carolina.

 

this is really mind boggling. alabama was ahead 31-0 at halftime, but because georgia spent all second half piling up yardage through the air and scored a bunch of points that were next to meaningless, while alabama was just chewing up time by running the ball. anyone with any sort of sense would say that alabama carried the play in that game, but according to you it was basically a coin toss. that is just a terrible understanding of everything.

 

Yes. While the score said 41-30, the game was not as close as the score may have indicated. There was a BADLY miss call on the punt return (there were two block in the back on the punt return that were not called, and the SEC admitted to the mistake) and the other two scores came withint 5 or so minutes left in the game. Anybody who saw the game knows Alabama whupped GA. So yeah, Meph doesn't have a leg to stand on in this case. GA was simply outplayed by Alabama regardless of the score.

 

Bama was clearly the better team that day, but the Tide played nearly perfect football and Georgia made a couple of uncharacteristic mistakes in the first half that contributed to Bama's lead.

 

The main point is that UGA is a better team than they showed that day. How much better is the difficult question to answer.