Justify why Josh Hamilton should be in the Top 10 in AL MVP

[badnews]

His home/road splits are worse than Preston Wilson's 2003.

 

There's more but that's all I need. Game over. Worse than Preston Wilson's 2003, worse than Vinny Castilla's 2004, worse than Jeromy Burnitz's 2004, they're simply awful.

 

I don't like Hamilton because I think the media has brainwashed everyone on him. He's viewed as an elite player and he's not even remotely close.

 

In short, here's what happened - this board has turned into the John Carpenter version of "The Thing." "The Thing" is Josh Hamilton love, and I'm Kurt Russell and the rest of you are all infected with craziness.

 

So now, while we're sitting here in the snow waiting for the fire to go out, try and justify to me why a guy who has a worse OPS on the road than Cristian Guzman's overall OPS.

[Sammy Sofa]

In short, here's what happened - this board has turned into the John Carpenter version of "The Thing." "The Thing" is Josh Hamilton love, and I'm Kurt Russell and the rest of you are all infected with craziness.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Where is everyone fawning all over Hamilton?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He had a 139 OPS+ in Arlington, it's not like he was hitting the same as everyone else in that park. His overall OPS+ is nearly Top 5 in the AL. He's 4th in the AL in Runs Created, 5th in Win Shares and VORP, 8th in EqA, 2nd in Equivalent Runs, and had a 9.4 WARP3.

 

EDIT: I can only assume you're referring to the Awards voting thread, in which a whopping total of 8 people voted and placed Hamilton an average of 7th in AL MVP, and no higher than 4th.

[imb]

what is wrong with you

[SouthSideRyan]

He had a 139 OPS+ in Arlington, it's not like he was hitting the same as everyone else in that park. His overall OPS+ is nearly Top 5 in the AL. He's 4th in the AL in Runs Created, 5th in Win Shares and VORP, 8th in EqA, 2nd in Equivalent Runs, and had a 9.4 WARP3.

 

EDIT: I can only assume you're referring to the Awards voting thread, in which a whopping total of 8 people voted and placed Hamilton an average of 7th in AL MVP, and no higher than 4th.

 

Don't be silly, nobody read the awards voting thread.

 

SAD FACE.

 

(Didn't have Hamilton in my top 10.)

[Outshined_One]

In short, here's what happened - this board has turned into the John Carpenter version of "The Thing." "The Thing" is Josh Hamilton love, and I'm Kurt Russell and the rest of you are all infected with craziness.

 

This is the most hyperbolic thing ever said in the history of humanity.

[sneakypower]

i can buy your premise that Hamilton's a fraud whose myth is propped up by Arlington

 

well, until i take a quick perusal at last year's numbers and realize he had a friggin great year where he played not one game in Arlington

 

i feel like Kurt Russell and everyone else's infected with an unwavering slavery to home/away splits

[Clem Fandango]

I feel like I'm Gabriel Cash and you're all Raymond Tango

[17 Seconds]

 

well, until i take a quick perusal at last year's numbers and realize he had a friggin great year where he played not one game in Arlington

 

Not one game at Arlington....but a bunch at GAB which was the 7th best hitters park in 2007.

 

Home 2007- 312/.372/.617

Road 2007- .274/.365/.497

 

Seriously. If Josh Hamtiton played for the Angels this year he'd probably be an .850 OPS guy

 

Arlington turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 OPS guy this season. It turned Malron Byrdi nto an .842 OPS guy.

 

So yeah, when you consider that a .901 OPS isn't even that special to begin with, I don't think Hamilton should be anywhere near the top of the MVP voting.

 

He used to do drugs and stuff though....so let's just give it to him.

[NonProfitCow]

 

well, until i take a quick perusal at last year's numbers and realize he had a friggin great year where he played not one game in Arlington

 

Not one game at Arlington....but a bunch at GAB which was the 7th best hitters park in 2007.

 

Home 2007- 312/.372/.617

Road 2007- .274/.365/.497

 

Seriously. If Josh Hamtiton played for the Angels this year he'd probably be an .850 OPS guy

 

Arlington turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 OPS guy this season. It turned Malron Byrdi nto an .842 OPS guy.

 

So yeah, when you consider that a .901 OPS isn't even that special to begin with, I don't think Hamilton should be anywhere near the top of the MVP voting.

 

He used to do drugs and stuff though....so let's just give it to him.

:shock:

 

Yeah, a .901 OPS is nothing special. Just an easy top 20-25 player in the league. And 16th best this year. Nothing special though.

[Sammys Boombox]

Does this even warrant a discussion?

[17 Seconds]

 

well, until i take a quick perusal at last year's numbers and realize he had a friggin great year where he played not one game in Arlington

 

Not one game at Arlington....but a bunch at GAB which was the 7th best hitters park in 2007.

 

Home 2007- 312/.372/.617

Road 2007- .274/.365/.497

 

Seriously. If Josh Hamtiton played for the Angels this year he'd probably be an .850 OPS guy

 

Arlington turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 OPS guy this season. It turned Malron Byrdi nto an .842 OPS guy.

 

So yeah, when you consider that a .901 OPS isn't even that special to begin with, I don't think Hamilton should be anywhere near the top of the MVP voting.

 

He used to do drugs and stuff though....so let's just give it to him.

:shock:

 

Yeah, a .901 OPS is nothing special. Just an easy top 20-25 player in the league. And 16th best this year. Nothing special though.

 

Yea? I don't get what you're saying. We're talking aobut MVP...the most valuable player in the league.....not a "top 20-25 player". I never said a .901 OPS isn't good. It's good and makes you one of the top hitters in the game....but producing at the level that is matched by SEVERAL players every year......so is that "special"? You'll have to explain to me how that is special. I guess I'm weird for thinking that the MVP should go to somebody who was better than "top 20-25 player" in the league.

 

Reading comprehension > you

[17 Seconds]

His home/road splits are worse than Preston Wilson's 2003.

 

There's more but that's all I need. Game over. Worse than Preston Wilson's 2003, worse than Vinny Castilla's 2004, worse than Jeromy Burnitz's 2004, they're simply awful.

 

I don't like Hamilton because I think the media has brainwashed everyone on him. He's viewed as an elite player and he's not even remotely close.

 

In short, here's what happened - this board has turned into the John Carpenter version of "The Thing." "The Thing" is Josh Hamilton love, and I'm Kurt Russell and the rest of you are all infected with craziness.

 

So now, while we're sitting here in the snow waiting for the fire to go out, try and justify to me why a guy who has a worse OPS on the road than Cristian Guzman's overall OPS.

 

By the way, you've just taken on a sacred cow and there's pretty much no way you're winning this one despite how correct you might be. Josh Hamilton deserves everything, period. They really should just change the team name to the Texas Fighting Hamiltons. Outstanding story.

 

16th best in OPS rankings, but number 1 in our hearts.

[imb]

 

well, until i take a quick perusal at last year's numbers and realize he had a friggin great year where he played not one game in Arlington

 

Not one game at Arlington....but a bunch at GAB which was the 7th best hitters park in 2007.

 

Home 2007- 312/.372/.617

Road 2007- .274/.365/.497

 

Seriously. If Josh Hamtiton played for the Angels this year he'd probably be an .850 OPS guy

 

Arlington turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 OPS guy this season. It turned Malron Byrdi nto an .842 OPS guy.

 

So yeah, when you consider that a .901 OPS isn't even that special to begin with, I don't think Hamilton should be anywhere near the top of the MVP voting.

 

He used to do drugs and stuff though....so let's just give it to him.

:shock:

 

Yeah, a .901 OPS is nothing special. Just an easy top 20-25 player in the league. And 16th best this year. Nothing special though.

 

Yea? I don't get what you're saying. We're talking aobut MVP...the most valuable player in the league.....not a "top 20-25 player". I never said a .901 OPS isn't good. It's good and makes you one of the top hitters in the game....but producing at the level that is matched by SEVERAL players every year......so is that "special"? You'll have to explain to me how that is special. I guess I'm weird for thinking that the MVP should go to somebody who was better than "top 20-25 player" in the league.

 

Reading comprehension > you

 

because he's a centerfielder and not a corner if/of?

[imb]

btw, josh hamilton was no. 5 in the AL in VORP

 

i can't even imagine how a guy who was top 5 in the entire league in VORP could sneak into a few MVP ballots.

 

suck it

[17 Seconds]

btw, josh hamilton was no. 5 in the AL in VORP

 

i can't even imagine how a guy who was top 5 in the entire league in VORP could sneak into a few MVP ballots.

 

suck it

 

I guess you missed the original point of this thread...aka his massive home/road splits from playing in a stadium that turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 hitter.

 

Josh Hamilton- 3rd best hitter on his own team in 2008 and a living legend for it

[imb]

so what? he still produced enough to be counted as one of the 10 most valuable players in the league. doesn't matter if it was in arlington or some little league park.

[17 Seconds]

 

well, until i take a quick perusal at last year's numbers and realize he had a friggin great year where he played not one game in Arlington

 

Not one game at Arlington....but a bunch at GAB which was the 7th best hitters park in 2007.

 

Home 2007- 312/.372/.617

Road 2007- .274/.365/.497

 

Seriously. If Josh Hamtiton played for the Angels this year he'd probably be an .850 OPS guy

 

Arlington turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 OPS guy this season. It turned Malron Byrdi nto an .842 OPS guy.

 

So yeah, when you consider that a .901 OPS isn't even that special to begin with, I don't think Hamilton should be anywhere near the top of the MVP voting.

 

He used to do drugs and stuff though....so let's just give it to him.

:shock:

 

Yeah, a .901 OPS is nothing special. Just an easy top 20-25 player in the league. And 16th best this year. Nothing special though.

 

Yea? I don't get what you're saying. We're talking aobut MVP...the most valuable player in the league.....not a "top 20-25 player". I never said a .901 OPS isn't good. It's good and makes you one of the top hitters in the game....but producing at the level that is matched by SEVERAL players every year......so is that "special"? You'll have to explain to me how that is special. I guess I'm weird for thinking that the MVP should go to somebody who was better than "top 20-25 player" in the league.

 

Reading comprehension > you

 

because he's a centerfielder and not a corner if/of?

 

But the media doesn't say "great hitter for a center fielder." It's always "historic season for the cinderella story Josh Hamilton."

 

Again, I'm not saying he wasn't good this year. I like Josh hamilton, I really do, I'm just sick of the ball licking over his good-but-nothing-special season. I mean come on, he had the 16th best OPS in the league while playing in the best hitters park in all of baseball, then I get blasted for saying that's "good but not special".

 

I mean, if 16th best in your league while being helped tremendously by the park isn't special, then I don't know what is!

[imb]

i think you're going over the top in how you imagine other people perceive josh hamilton.

 

i expect it from badnews because that's all he does.

[17 Seconds]

so what? he still produced enough to be counted as one of the 10 most valuable players in the league. doesn't matter if it was in arlington or some little league park.

 

Wait, it doesn't matter if he was helped greatly by his own park? Seriously? It really seems like you're reaching now. Of course it matters, because if any other player was put in Hamilton's position this season, he would have recieved the same beneifits. So because Hamilton gets that benefit, he is more valuable than those other guys? No, the stadium is just more valuable. This is relevant because every visiting player that steps into that staidum gets the same advantage, putting Hamilton less in front of the curve.

 

Put it this way. Let's say the Rangers trade for Mark DeRosa, who then goes .300/.385/.525 with 26 home runs next season Meanwhile, Adrian Gonzalez goes .285/.365/.525 while playing in Petco. Pretend for a minute that they both played the same position... so who was more valuable? By your logic, DeRosa would be, although Gonzalez would have put up better numbers if they both played in the same park. That makes sense to you? If position is factored into MVP voting, then ballparks should be as well.

[imb]

vorp is park adjusted and he still finished no. 5 in the al

[17 Seconds]

i think you're going over the top in how you imagine other people perceive josh hamilton.

 

I really don't think I am. It's not that bad on this board, but the way most baseball people talk about what he did this season is way over the top and I think that will be reflected in the MVP voting.

[17 Seconds]

vorp is park adjusted and he still finished no. 5 in the al

 

Obviously not park adjusted enough.

[imb]

lol well i guess that settles it

 

the numbers didn't add up to your preconceptions, so it's the numbers fault!

[17 Seconds]

lol well i guess that settles it

 

the numbers didn't add up to your preconceptions, so it's the numbers fault!

 

At least I'm not hand picking a single stat and then acting like it shows you're 100% correct. Look at his home/road splits and what Arlington did for other hitters in 2008 and then try to tell me with a straight face that he was the 5th most valuable player in the league. If you do you're just lying to yourself and are biased. Pretty simple.

 

3rd best hitter on his own team.