Pie in, Hoff-P out for NLDS according to Sun times blog

[NomarSammy]

Not official until tomorrow, but blogger on Sun Times says that is the decision.

 

Man, I cant wait for 5:30 to get here.

[shnsajax]

really? Doesn't make much sense.

[OleMissCub]

Good god. Ward over Hoff? That sucks.

[Clem Fandango]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Good god. Ward over Hoff? That sucks.

 

They really serve the same purpose. So Hoffs had one big game. Wards come up with some big hits. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I really dont see it as a make or break. Hoff probably gets Wards job next year anyway.

[Twiggy]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

 

Yeah at this point Ward doesn't need to be on the roster in my opinion.

[OleMissCub]

Good god. Ward over Hoff? That sucks.

 

They really serve the same purpose. So Hoffs had one big game. Wards come up with some big hits. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I really dont see it as a make or break.

 

lol...OK, say they both serve the same purpose, do we want:

 

Player A, 73 AB's: .342/.400/.534, 139 OPS+

Player B, 102 AB's: .216/.319/.402, 85 OPS+

 

That is hardly a tough question.

 

Hoff has had more than just "one big game". He's obviously the better player at this point. Hoff also didn't sit his ass on the bench throughout an entire year, but played nearly every day in AAA where he also mashed the hell out of the ball, hitting .362/.393/.752 with 25 HR and 34 doubles in just 71 games.

 

Hoff probably gets Wards job next year anyway.

 

That's irrelevant.

[inari]

For as much as Lou loves players with versatility, I'm really surprised that he picked Ward over Hoff. Sure, he's no DeRo, but he can do a lot more than Daryle.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pie plays tremendous defense, and he finished the season strong with the bat(.300/.391/.450/.841 since his callup). Over the course of a short series, Pie is just as likely to come up with a hit or two, especially since he's got better history/tools than Hoffpauir.

[Rob]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

 

As far as the WS is concerned, we could probably get buy with one fewer pitcher thanks to the DH not forcing pitching changes when the bottom of the order comes up. At that point, we could definitely afford to drop Howry or Marquis for Hoffpauir.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Good god. Ward over Hoff? That sucks.

 

They really serve the same purpose. So Hoffs had one big game. Wards come up with some big hits. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I really dont see it as a make or break.

 

lol...OK, say they both serve the same purpose, do we want:

 

Player A, 73 AB's: .342/.400/.534, 139 OPS+

Player B, 102 AB's: .216/.319/.402, 85 OPS+

 

That is hardly a tough question.

 

Hoff has had more than just "one big game". He's obviously the better player at this point. Hoff also didn't sit his ass on the bench throughout an entire year, but played nearly every day in AAA where he also mashed the hell out of the ball, hitting .362/.393/.752 with 25 HR and 34 doubles in just 71 games.

.

 

And its not easy for a player, especially a rookie to go from playing everyday to being a bat off the bench. I wont argue that if we were talking a starting position that Hoff would be the much better choice, but again, hes used to playing everyday, and when a player gos from playing in the field everyday to sitting on the bench waiting to be called upon, its hard to fiend his stroke. All and all, Hoff would be the better choice, but in the end, as I said before, I dont see it being a make or break choice.

[inari]

Pie plays tremendous defense, and he finished the season strong with the bat(.300/.391/.450/.841 since his callup). Over the course of a short series, Pie is just as likely to come up with a hit or two, especially since he's got better history/tools than Hoffpauir.

 

I know that, at least in my case, I am arguing that Hoff should be in there over Ward. I can't imagine anyone has a problem with Pie on the roster.

[Sammys Boombox]

I was really hoping that Hoff would be on this team over Ward. I completely disagree with this decision.

[17 Seconds]

Good god. Ward over Hoff? That sucks.

 

They really serve the same purpose. So Hoffs had one big game. Wards come up with some big hits. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I really dont see it as a make or break. Hoff probably gets Wards job next year anyway.

 

I'm not a big Hoffpauir guy, but "one big game"? Really? He's raked wherever he has been this season, and that includes the majors. Meanwhile Ward has done nothing and has crappy career numbers to boot.

 

Really, Daryle Ward is not a good player. He had a good season last year so everybody keeps touting his "experience" when in reality his career numbers as a PH are terrible.

[17 Seconds]

Good god. Ward over Hoff? That sucks.

 

They really serve the same purpose. So Hoffs had one big game. Wards come up with some big hits. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I really dont see it as a make or break.

 

lol...OK, say they both serve the same purpose, do we want:

 

Player A, 73 AB's: .342/.400/.534, 139 OPS+

Player B, 102 AB's: .216/.319/.402, 85 OPS+

 

That is hardly a tough question.

 

Hoff has had more than just "one big game". He's obviously the better player at this point. Hoff also didn't sit his ass on the bench throughout an entire year, but played nearly every day in AAA where he also mashed the hell out of the ball, hitting .362/.393/.752 with 25 HR and 34 doubles in just 71 games

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And its not easy for a player, especially a rookie to go from playing everyday to being a bat off the bench.

 

Daryle Ward career pinch hitting- .232/.328/.382 (.711)

[SouthSideRyan]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

 

As far as the WS is concerned, we could probably get buy with one fewer pitcher thanks to the DH not forcing pitching changes when the bottom of the order comes up. At that point, we could definitely afford to drop Howry or Marquis for Hoffpauir.

 

And you don't need as many position players on the bench for the same reason.

[Post Count Padder]

Pie I can see but no love for Hoff? Just ain't right.

[cubsfan26]

I understand people are upset that Ward is on the roster over Hoffpauir. But there was almost no way that Lou was gonna put Hoffpauir on the roster over Ward. The battle was always between Pie and Hoffpauir. Ward spot was almost a lock, because Lou likes his experience, and that he is use to pinch hitting, while Hoffpauir is use to playing everyday with very little amount of experience. I'm not saying it was the right move, and as others pointed out Ward is overrated as a pinch hitter in his career, but this is the kinda move Piniella is gonna make with his bench.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

just because he's not on the NLDS roster doesn't necessarily mean he won't be on the NLCS or WS roster

[Clem Fandango]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

just because he's not on the NLDS roster doesn't necessarily mean he won't be on the NLCS or WS roster

 

Ahh, didn't know you could change rosters in between series, I thought it was one set lineup for the entire postseason.

[dew1679666265]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

just because he's not on the NLDS roster doesn't necessarily mean he won't be on the NLCS or WS roster

 

Ahh, didn't know you could change rosters in between series, I thought it was one set lineup for the entire postseason.

 

I'm pretty certain it's fixed rosters for each series. Meaning, whatever the roster is for the NLDS is set, but it can be changed between the NLDS and NLCS and World Series.

[SouthSideRyan]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

just because he's not on the NLDS roster doesn't necessarily mean he won't be on the NLCS or WS roster

 

Ahh, didn't know you could change rosters in between series, I thought it was one set lineup for the entire postseason.

 

I'm pretty certain it's fixed rosters for each series. Meaning, whatever the roster is for the NLDS is set, but it can be changed between the NLDS and NLCS and World Series.

 

Only exception is injured players can be replaced within a series.

[dew1679666265]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

just because he's not on the NLDS roster doesn't necessarily mean he won't be on the NLCS or WS roster

 

Ahh, didn't know you could change rosters in between series, I thought it was one set lineup for the entire postseason.

 

I'm pretty certain it's fixed rosters for each series. Meaning, whatever the roster is for the NLDS is set, but it can be changed between the NLDS and NLCS and World Series.

 

Only exception is injured players can be replaced within a series.

 

Correct. I should have mentioned that.

[JeffH]

I understand Pie because of speed/defensive ability, but if we were to make it to the WS, I could see Hoffpauir being a fairly good DH for the series, and the fact that he's a better hitter than Ward confuses me why he isn't on the roster.

just because he's not on the NLDS roster doesn't necessarily mean he won't be on the NLCS or WS roster

 

Ahh, didn't know you could change rosters in between series, I thought it was one set lineup for the entire postseason.

 

I'm pretty certain it's fixed rosters for each series. Meaning, whatever the roster is for the NLDS is set, but it can be changed between the NLDS and NLCS and World Series.

 

Only exception is injured players can be replaced within a series.

 

Correct. I should have mentioned that.

 

Just to clarify...

 

If you replace a guy for injury, by rule he's finished for the remainder of the postseason.

[NewUserName]

I think that Lou has earned the benefit of the doubt, so I wont question him too much. He is hard to figure out though. In some cases production clearly is the bottom line without age/experience being a consideration. Than in other cases, he seems to bow to the vet. Ward over Hoff makes no sense at all. Wards biggest attribute is his clubhouse leadership, which if he was really a leader, he would understand he is not the best option and still be a positive force in the Clubhouse