NFL Week 2

[OleMissCub]

 

Sounds like Meachem would be a good choice to start in fantasy for a while then.

 

Do you concur?

 

It depends on what Payton wants to do with him. Technically Patten, Henderson, and Terrance Copper are ahead of him on the depth chart. Patten is reliable but old, Henderson is fast as lightning but drops half the balls thrown to him, and Copper is just meh. So, I'd like to think that Payton will go to Meachem. Hell, the Saints spent a first round pick on the guy, so they should at least try.

 

I'd probably wait and see what he does (or if he is even used) in the game against the 'Skins this weekend. If he does well, then I'd scoop him up in a heartbeat, given how often Brees throws the ball.

[dew1679666265]

 

Sounds like Meachem would be a good choice to start in fantasy for a while then.

 

Do you concur?

 

It depends on what Payton wants to do with him. Technically Patten, Henderson, and Terrance Copper are ahead of him on the depth chart. Patten is reliable but old, Henderson is fast as lightning but drops half the balls thrown to him, and Copper is just meh. So, I'd like to think that Payton will go to Meachem. Hell, the Saints spent a first round pick on the guy, so they should at least try.

 

I'd probably wait and see what he does (or if he is even used) in the game against the 'Skins this weekend. If he does well, then I'd scoop him up in a heartbeat, given how often Brees throws the ball.

 

I actually drafted him late in one of my drafts - I was already stacked at receiver with Torry Holt, Santonio Holmes, Dwayne Bowe, Bernard Berrian and Javon Walker - because he was so impressive in the preseason and I felt like he could beat out those three.

 

It's just a matter of starting him over one of Holmes, Holt or one of my running backs at the RB/WR spot.

[ELCABALLO45]

The Typing Brewer fan would just like to say that the Maps have been updated.

[Vanilla Ice]

Vince Young might retire.

[dew1679666265]

Vince Young might retire.

 

I saw the speculation and am calling BS.

 

The only indication that he's thinking this is coming from his mom - who I'm sure is not in the best of moods after her son was booed at home Sunday - while Titans officials and friends of Vince are saying he's shown no indication.

 

The Titans' pbp radio guy, Mike Keith, was on the radio earlier today and was asked about this. He said he's spoken with Vince fairly often the past few days and Vince hasn't given him any indication whatsoever that he may be thinking about quitting - he even said he's been in good spirits.

 

Keith also said the Monday Vince-hunt was overblown, saying that Vince was at a buddy's house that he often goes to for refuge from the media and spectators. Keith said they got some food and were hanging out there watching the MNF games. Keith also talked to the friend Vince was with and he didn't give any indication that Vince was in a terrible mental state.

 

I'm sure Vince is struggling mentally right now - there are too many rumors to deny it - but I don't think it's that serious.

[Warpticon]

Merriman is done. I don't think the Chargers will be favorites for the AFC anymore. So, the Colts, Steelers, and Jaguars seem like the main contenders now.

 

Even with the "issues" with Vince, if the Jags are main contenders the Titans have to be too. They were similar heading into the year and the Titans just beat them.

 

I think the favorites in the AFC right now are the Colts, Steelers and Chargers. Merriman's injury hurts them, but San Diego still has fewer questions than the Jags or Titans. The biggest thing holding San Diego back is the head coach, Norv Turner.

 

That said, I don't completely rule out the Patriots yet. That defense is still strong and, if they can bring in a decent QB, they still have Moss and Welker at receiver and Maroney in the backfield.

I forgot about the Titans. #-o

 

Maybe this will help.

[dew1679666265]

Merriman is done. I don't think the Chargers will be favorites for the AFC anymore. So, the Colts, Steelers, and Jaguars seem like the main contenders now.

 

Even with the "issues" with Vince, if the Jags are main contenders the Titans have to be too. They were similar heading into the year and the Titans just beat them.

 

I think the favorites in the AFC right now are the Colts, Steelers and Chargers. Merriman's injury hurts them, but San Diego still has fewer questions than the Jags or Titans. The biggest thing holding San Diego back is the head coach, Norv Turner.

 

That said, I don't completely rule out the Patriots yet. That defense is still strong and, if they can bring in a decent QB, they still have Moss and Welker at receiver and Maroney in the backfield.

I forgot about the Titans. #-o

 

Maybe this will help.

 

=D> Solid.

[ELCABALLO45]

Merriman is done. I don't think the Chargers will be favorites for the AFC anymore. So, the Colts, Steelers, and Jaguars seem like the main contenders now.

 

Even with the "issues" with Vince, if the Jags are main contenders the Titans have to be too. They were similar heading into the year and the Titans just beat them.

 

I think the favorites in the AFC right now are the Colts, Steelers and Chargers. Merriman's injury hurts them, but San Diego still has fewer questions than the Jags or Titans. The biggest thing holding San Diego back is the head coach, Norv Turner.

 

That said, I don't completely rule out the Patriots yet. That defense is still strong and, if they can bring in a decent QB, they still have Moss and Welker at receiver and Maroney in the backfield.

I forgot about the Titans. #-o

 

Maybe this will help.

 

:lol: =D>

[TruffleShuffle]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

[OleMissCub]

Skip Bayliss said today that he'd rather have Vince Young than Eli Manning this year. #-o

[Banedon]

Vince Young might retire.

 

I saw the speculation and am calling BS.

 

The only indication that he's thinking this is coming from his mom - who I'm sure is not in the best of moods after her son was booed at home Sunday - while Titans officials and friends of Vince are saying he's shown no indication.

 

The Titans' pbp radio guy, Mike Keith, was on the radio earlier today and was asked about this. He said he's spoken with Vince fairly often the past few days and Vince hasn't given him any indication whatsoever that he may be thinking about quitting - he even said he's been in good spirits.

 

Keith also said the Monday Vince-hunt was overblown, saying that Vince was at a buddy's house that he often goes to for refuge from the media and spectators. Keith said they got some food and were hanging out there watching the MNF games. Keith also talked to the friend Vince was with and he didn't give any indication that Vince was in a terrible mental state.

 

I'm sure Vince is struggling mentally right now - there are too many rumors to deny it - but I don't think it's that serious.

 

"What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?" Felicia Young said. "He may not want to deal with it [all], but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

 

"But we're not talking about football right now. We're talking about what would make him happy, and that is the most important thing."

 

Rex Grossman is unimpressed.

[dew1679666265]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

 

That's something a lot of people ignore - Vince has never had a good (or even decent) crop of receivers. Of course a QBs numbers will be mediocre if he has nobody to throw the football to. Scaife has been his best option since he came into the league, that's not good.

 

As I said earlier in either this thread or the Week 1 thread, Vince's numbers compare favorably to Steve McNair's after two seasons starting. And McNair had the luxury of sitting on the bench for two seasons that Vince never did.

[dew1679666265]

Skip Bayliss said today that he'd rather have Vince Young than Eli Manning this year. #-o

 

That's normal ridiculousness from Bayless. I like Vince's potential, but no way he's in the same ballpark as Eli Manning this season.

[dew1679666265]

Vince Young might retire.

 

I saw the speculation and am calling BS.

 

The only indication that he's thinking this is coming from his mom - who I'm sure is not in the best of moods after her son was booed at home Sunday - while Titans officials and friends of Vince are saying he's shown no indication.

 

The Titans' pbp radio guy, Mike Keith, was on the radio earlier today and was asked about this. He said he's spoken with Vince fairly often the past few days and Vince hasn't given him any indication whatsoever that he may be thinking about quitting - he even said he's been in good spirits.

 

Keith also said the Monday Vince-hunt was overblown, saying that Vince was at a buddy's house that he often goes to for refuge from the media and spectators. Keith said they got some food and were hanging out there watching the MNF games. Keith also talked to the friend Vince was with and he didn't give any indication that Vince was in a terrible mental state.

 

I'm sure Vince is struggling mentally right now - there are too many rumors to deny it - but I don't think it's that serious.

 

"What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?" Felicia Young said. "He may not want to deal with it [all], but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

 

"But we're not talking about football right now. We're talking about what would make him happy, and that is the most important thing."

 

Rex Grossman is unimpressed.

 

She's the only one who's saying this stuff about Vince. He and everyone else close to him are saying the retirement talk is silly. I think it's a mother's overreaction to her son's struggles.

[CuseCubFan69]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

 

That's something a lot of people ignore - Vince has never had a good (or even decent) crop of receivers. Of course a QBs numbers will be mediocre if he has nobody to throw the football to. Scaife has been his best option since he came into the league, that's not good.

 

As I said earlier in either this thread or the Week 1 thread, Vince's numbers compare favorably to Steve McNair's after two seasons starting. And McNair had the luxury of sitting on the bench for two seasons that Vince never did.

 

When you receivers that can't separate you have problems. How well does Collins do with them?

[dew1679666265]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

 

That's something a lot of people ignore - Vince has never had a good (or even decent) crop of receivers. Of course a QBs numbers will be mediocre if he has nobody to throw the football to. Scaife has been his best option since he came into the league, that's not good.

 

As I said earlier in either this thread or the Week 1 thread, Vince's numbers compare favorably to Steve McNair's after two seasons starting. And McNair had the luxury of sitting on the bench for two seasons that Vince never did.

 

When you receivers that can't separate you have problems. How well does Collins do with them?

 

The receivers can separate decently well - they just have problems catching the ball when they do.

 

Kerry makes better throws than Vince, so he tends to do a little better. Still, though, he has to rely on the short dumpoffs and running game to have any success. Given his better accuracy, though, he'll tend to hit one or two more deep balls than Vince will. Again, that's when the receivers actually catch the ball, though.

 

Last year in six games played, Kerry had a 61% comp %, 6.5 yards per attempt and no TDs or picks (82 attempts).

 

Vince had a 62.3% and 6.7 y/a with a 9:17 TD:INT (382 attempts).

[CuseCubFan69]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

 

That's something a lot of people ignore - Vince has never had a good (or even decent) crop of receivers. Of course a QBs numbers will be mediocre if he has nobody to throw the football to. Scaife has been his best option since he came into the league, that's not good.

 

As I said earlier in either this thread or the Week 1 thread, Vince's numbers compare favorably to Steve McNair's after two seasons starting. And McNair had the luxury of sitting on the bench for two seasons that Vince never did.

 

When you receivers that can't separate you have problems. How well does Collins do with them?

 

The receivers can separate decently well - they just have problems catching the ball when they do.

 

Kerry makes better throws than Vince, so he tends to do a little better. Still, though, he has to rely on the short dumpoffs and running game to have any success. Given his better accuracy, though, he'll tend to hit one or two more deep balls than Vince will. Again, that's when the receivers actually catch the ball, though.

 

Last year in six games played, Kerry had a 61% comp %, 6.5 yards per attempt and no TDs or picks (82 attempts).

 

Vince had a 62.3% and 6.7 y/a with a 9:17 TD:INT (382 attempts).

 

Ah, the drops. I would imagine that Vice throws the ball a heck of a lot harder than Kerry does and imo that makes a bad receiver even worse, unless it gets caught in his facemask.

[dew1679666265]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

 

That's something a lot of people ignore - Vince has never had a good (or even decent) crop of receivers. Of course a QBs numbers will be mediocre if he has nobody to throw the football to. Scaife has been his best option since he came into the league, that's not good.

 

As I said earlier in either this thread or the Week 1 thread, Vince's numbers compare favorably to Steve McNair's after two seasons starting. And McNair had the luxury of sitting on the bench for two seasons that Vince never did.

 

When you receivers that can't separate you have problems. How well does Collins do with them?

 

The receivers can separate decently well - they just have problems catching the ball when they do.

 

Kerry makes better throws than Vince, so he tends to do a little better. Still, though, he has to rely on the short dumpoffs and running game to have any success. Given his better accuracy, though, he'll tend to hit one or two more deep balls than Vince will. Again, that's when the receivers actually catch the ball, though.

 

Last year in six games played, Kerry had a 61% comp %, 6.5 yards per attempt and no TDs or picks (82 attempts).

 

Vince had a 62.3% and 6.7 y/a with a 9:17 TD:INT (382 attempts).

 

Ah, the drops. I would imagine that Vice throws the ball a heck of a lot harder than Kerry does and imo that makes a bad receiver even worse, unless it gets caught in his facemask.

 

I'm actually not sure on the speed of the QBs passes, but I'd have to assume you're right. Kerry might have a stronger arm than Vince, though.

 

The biggest difference between the two is that Kerry throws a more accurate ball. Vince is generally a little high, or a little behind, etc. whereas Kerry is usually fairly spot on with his throws. The receivers still find ways to drop his passes too, though.

 

Vince had at least three to four well-thrown balls against Jacksonville dropped by the receivers. And it's like that every game for him. It's one reason I didn't like the Chris Johnson pick at the time - I knew he was a great player, but we needed somebody who could catch the ball consistently. Chris runs lots of plays from the RB position.

[CuseCubFan69]

everyone is burying vince young already? he's played ONE game this year, and they won. his completion % went up from 51.5 to 62.3 last year, which was a big jump. his TD/INT ratio was bad, but he had to have possibly the worst group of receiving options in the league. lendale white and chris brown are not exactly brian westbrook; last year's TE was bo scaife, and the top 3 receivers were justin gage, roydell williams and eric moulds. i'm not even sure if any of those guys should be STARTING wr's, let alone vying for the #1 spot.

 

That's something a lot of people ignore - Vince has never had a good (or even decent) crop of receivers. Of course a QBs numbers will be mediocre if he has nobody to throw the football to. Scaife has been his best option since he came into the league, that's not good.

 

As I said earlier in either this thread or the Week 1 thread, Vince's numbers compare favorably to Steve McNair's after two seasons starting. And McNair had the luxury of sitting on the bench for two seasons that Vince never did.

 

When you receivers that can't separate you have problems. How well does Collins do with them?

 

The receivers can separate decently well - they just have problems catching the ball when they do.

 

Kerry makes better throws than Vince, so he tends to do a little better. Still, though, he has to rely on the short dumpoffs and running game to have any success. Given his better accuracy, though, he'll tend to hit one or two more deep balls than Vince will. Again, that's when the receivers actually catch the ball, though.

 

Last year in six games played, Kerry had a 61% comp %, 6.5 yards per attempt and no TDs or picks (82 attempts).

 

Vince had a 62.3% and 6.7 y/a with a 9:17 TD:INT (382 attempts).

 

Ah, the drops. I would imagine that Vice throws the ball a heck of a lot harder than Kerry does and imo that makes a bad receiver even worse, unless it gets caught in his facemask.

 

I'm actually not sure on the speed of the QBs passes, but I'd have to assume you're right. Kerry might have a stronger arm than Vince, though.

 

The biggest difference between the two is that Kerry throws a more accurate ball. Vince is generally a little high, or a little behind, etc. whereas Kerry is usually fairly spot on with his throws. The receivers still find ways to drop his passes too, though.

 

I forgot that Collins has a good arm. It's funny, people used to say he was braindead but had talent and now he's the other guy (seasoned vet) and Vince is the new Collins. I remember when Donovan had the same problem with his receivers only they couldn't separate as well as not catch the ball. It seems to be a very tough thing to go through but Vince has a coach that will defend him instead of ripping him apart in the press which is a very good thing.

[dew1679666265]

I forgot that Collins has a good arm. It's funny, people used to say he was braindead but had talent and now he's the other guy (seasoned vet) and Vince is the new Collins. I remember when Donovan had the same problem with his receivers only they couldn't separate as well as not catch the ball. It seems to be a very tough thing to go through but Vince has a coach that will defend him instead of ripping him apart in the press which is a very good thing.

 

Yeah, Kerry has definitely gotten things together since he's been the backup in Tennessee. I didn't like it when we signed him (he was nothing like Vince and didn't have a good record of being stable), but he's been one of the better backups in the league for us and apparently has had a big impact on Vince both on the field and off it.

 

I compare his signing very favorably to Fisher bringing in Neil O'Donnell to back up McNair in the 90s. If the starter goes down, we're not up a creek and the backup is more than willing to aid the progression of the young starter.

[dew1679666265]

Just for anybody still curious, here's more evidence that the Vince-hunt Monday night was exaggerated - from his college head coach.

 

I have been in communication with Vince. Anybody that knows Vince here knows how competitive he is. He set a very, very high standard for himself, and when he doesn't feel like he reached that standard at that moment, he does get disappointed. He's fine, he's moving forward, he's been booed before, he's been criticized before and his worst moment here was his best moment because after he played so poorly against Missouri, he never lost another game. Anybody that thinks Vince Young's not competitive and he won't be back and he won't step up and he's not going to compete and get that thing turned around doesn't know Vince Young. He'll be fine and we're pulling for him, can't wait to get him well and get him back out on the field.

I text Vince a lot. I text all those guys, every time they do something good or have something bad happen to them. Our staff stays really close to our pro players, and it's really important to us. I actually texted him whenever the report came out, probably Monday night. I texted him immediately and Cleve (Bryant) and Greg Davis had already texted him by the time I got to it. We wear him out with texts, and he texted me a few minutes ago as I was walking off the field and said, 'I'm doing fine, everything's ok, things got a little exaggerated and let's move forward,' so I'll try to call him tonight.

[jersey cubs fan]

Just for anybody still curious, here's more evidence that the Vince-hunt Monday night was exaggerated - from his college head coach.

 

and he texted me a few minutes ago as I was walking off the field and said, 'I'm doing fine, everything's ok, things got a little exaggerated and let's move forward,' so I'll try to call him tonight.

 

That's a long text.

[dew1679666265]

Just for anybody still curious, here's more evidence that the Vince-hunt Monday night was exaggerated - from his college head coach.

 

and he texted me a few minutes ago as I was walking off the field and said, 'I'm doing fine, everything's ok, things got a little exaggerated and let's move forward,' so I'll try to call him tonight.

 

That's a long text.

 

No kidding. Personally, I hate texting.

[CubColtPacer]

The Colts DT's got even lighter today. Ed Johnson was caught speeding and was charged with possessing a small amount of marijuana yesterday morning. He has started all 17 games that he has been with the Colts. In response, the Colts cut him.

 

Last year, the Colts had 3 somewhat average size DT's. Those 3 have now been hurt (McFarland), retired unexpectedly in only his 2nd year in the league (Pitcock) and now cut (Johnson). Their 2 likely starting DT's this weekend are 274 and 254 pounds.

[TruffleShuffle]

The Colts DT's got even lighter today. Ed Johnson was caught speeding and was charged with possessing a small amount of marijuana yesterday morning. He has started all 17 games that he has been with the Colts. In response, the Colts cut him.

 

lol, penn state defensive linemen are getting arrested even after they leave here.