Cubs to have post-season ticket lottery

[nilodnayr]

I can understand the angst over this decision, but I can also see why the Cubs see this as the "fair" way. By limiting tickets to two per lottery winner, the Cubs believe that a wider sampling of people will get them. Now, we can debate who these people are and whether they are "true fans" or not, but with this method the Cubs are trying to make sure that the tickets end up in the hands of a larger number of people rather than someone having multiple tickets to multiple games.

 

A "fair" compromise would be to still use the VWR, but limit it to 1 game/2 tickets. People who really want to get tickets will at least get to see 1 game and more different people will be able to go. At least then you still have some control of your destiny. I don't need to get 20 tickets to every game, but I'd like to have a fighting chance to go to at least one, and with the lottery, no matter what I do, I really don't.

[David]

UPDATE: Sitting at a computer with 100 open VWR windows =/= "work"

 

 

The same could be said about just about any "work" that involves using a computer.

 

It takes complete focus & attention, some effort, and knowing what you're doing.

 

It's not exactly easy.

[nilodnayr]

If you can't discern the difference between taking a day off of work to do the VWR and shelling out well into 5 figures, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I can discern the convenience that the arbitrary line between "true fan" and "not a true fan" is between what the poster is willing and not willing to do.

 

no no no. True fan = anyone who can't get tickets, Not True Fan = anyone else.

 

ohh hahaha, snarky remarks about true fans and not true fans...

 

Listen, I'm not judging anyone about being a true fan or not a true fan. I am just saying that those who work harder to get something should have a better chance of getting it.

 

UPDATE: Sitting at a computer with 100 open VWR windows =/= "work"

 

UPDATE: You can't read.

 

I said "work harder". I'm not saying that the VWR is hard work. I'm saying its harder work than a lottery. People who are more devoted (whether that be to the cubs or selling on the secondary market or whatever, I'm not using the phrase "true fan" because it doesn't apply), have better odds of getting tickets with the vwr than with the lottery. Is that really such a hard concept to understand?

[Derwood]

won't tons of people who "win" the lottery simply not buy tickets? For all I know, my Cubs emails go straight to my Bulk folder

[Mizzou]

Wow, this thread took a turn towards stupidity since I last opened it.

 

I'll come out and say what others don't want to admit. This sucks for me because I was hoping to buy 4 tickets to a game, sell two, and essentially have a free trip to Chicago.

[Derwood]

Wow, this thread took a turn towards stupidity since I last opened it.

 

I'll come out and say what others don't want to admit. This sucks for me because I was hoping to buy 4 tickets to a game, sell two, and essentially have a free trip to Chicago.

 

refreshing honesty.....from the guy who planned to extort other Cubs fans ;)

[Mizzou]

Wow, this thread took a turn towards stupidity since I last opened it.

 

I'll come out and say what others don't want to admit. This sucks for me because I was hoping to buy 4 tickets to a game, sell two, and essentially have a free trip to Chicago.

 

refreshing honesty.....from the guy who planned to extort other Cubs fans ;)

If the Cubs didn't scalp tickets themselves, I might have second thoughts. Probably not, but I might. Either way, if I have the choice to A) buy 2 tickets and pay for airfare and hotel or B) buy 4 tickets, sell 2, and go to a Cubs playoff game for free... I'm going with choice B. So would any other human being that knows how to think rationally.

[nilodnayr]

Wow, this thread took a turn towards stupidity since I last opened it.

 

I'll come out and say what others don't want to admit. This sucks for me because I was hoping to buy 4 tickets to a game, sell two, and essentially have a free trip to Chicago.

 

I'll come out and admit that I wanted to buy tickets to as many games as possible and go to them with my friends. AND I'll come out and say that I don't think any less of Mizzou for trying to sell tickets.

[UMFan83]

I can understand the angst over this decision, but I can also see why the Cubs see this as the "fair" way. By limiting tickets to two per lottery winner, the Cubs believe that a wider sampling of people will get them. Now, we can debate who these people are and whether they are "true fans" or not, but with this method the Cubs are trying to make sure that the tickets end up in the hands of a larger number of people rather than someone having multiple tickets to multiple games.

 

A "fair" compromise would be to still use the VWR, but limit it to 1 game/2 tickets. People who really want to get tickets will at least get to see 1 game and more different people will be able to go. At least then you still have some control of your destiny. I don't need to get 20 tickets to every game, but I'd like to have a fighting chance to go to at least one, and with the lottery, no matter what I do, I really don't.

 

Beautiful. I don't want to get tickets to sell them, and I don't have to goto multiple games (although I surely would under the old setup. I had tickets to Games 3 and 4 as well as games 3 4 and 5 of the NLCS). I just want the opportunity to goto the game and not have to be weeded out by a some Elk Grove Sarah Palin clone

[David]

Wow, this thread took a turn towards stupidity since I last opened it.

 

I'll come out and say what others don't want to admit. This sucks for me because I was hoping to buy 4 tickets to a game, sell two, and essentially have a free trip to Chicago.

 

I'll come out and admit that I wanted to buy tickets to as many games as possible and go to them with my friends. AND I'll come out and say that I don't think any less of Mizzou for trying to sell tickets.

 

 

This.

 

I didn't sell any of the 8 playoff tickets I got last year. But I have sold tickets to games and see absolutely NOTHING wrong with making a profit off an asset that is in GREAT demand.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Beautiful. I don't want to get tickets to sell them, and I don't have to goto multiple games (although I surely would under the old setup. I had tickets to Games 3 and 4 as well as games 3 4 and 5 of the NLCS). I just want the opportunity to goto the game and not have to be weeded out by a some Elk Grove Sarah Palin clone

 

So if we could get proof that there were 45k+ Cubs fans who were better fans than you, you'd willingly give up your seat if you had one?

[nilodnayr]

won't tons of people who "win" the lottery simply not buy tickets? For all I know, my Cubs emails go straight to my Bulk folder

 

Its definitely a possibility. And I think the other really really important point that either Navin or Jon brought up is that this all really depends on how the cubs conduct the lottery. If they do it like the premium seats where they probably allow one out of every two (possible hyperbole) people who enter the lottery to "win" the lottery, then it will not demonstratively hurt people who are willing to put forth more effort and sign up their entire family in the lottery. Basically, it would be pretty much the standard vwr where those who put forth more effort get rewarded and that would be fine by me.

[UMFan83]

Beautiful. I don't want to get tickets to sell them, and I don't have to goto multiple games (although I surely would under the old setup. I had tickets to Games 3 and 4 as well as games 3 4 and 5 of the NLCS). I just want the opportunity to goto the game and not have to be weeded out by a some Elk Grove Sarah Palin clone

 

So if we could get proof that there were 45k+ Cubs fans who were better fans than you, you'd willingly give up your seat if you had one?

 

Call the dogs off man, the true fan discussion dead. Dead. Over. No need to follow me around and create more ridiculous scenarios in your mind based off my most recent unrelated post.

[nilodnayr]

Beautiful. I don't want to get tickets to sell them, and I don't have to goto multiple games (although I surely would under the old setup. I had tickets to Games 3 and 4 as well as games 3 4 and 5 of the NLCS). I just want the opportunity to goto the game and not have to be weeded out by a some Elk Grove Sarah Palin clone

 

So if we could get proof that there were 45k+ Cubs fans who were better fans than you, you'd willingly give up your seat if you had one?

 

Call the dogs off man, the true fan discussion dead. Dead. Over. No need to follow me around and create more ridiculous scenarios in your mind based off my most recent unrelated post.

 

Also Elk Grove doesn't even have a hockey team so it was a ridiculous comparison to make in the first place. :D

[Laura]

Call the dogs off man, the true fan discussion dead. Dead. Over. No need to follow me around and create more ridiculous scenarios in your mind based off my most recent unrelated post.

 

When you set up scenarios that all end with you being the Ultimate Cubs Fan Who Deserves Tickets, you reap what you sow.

[UMFan83]

Call the dogs off man, the true fan discussion dead. Dead. Over. No need to follow me around and create more ridiculous scenarios in your mind based off my most recent unrelated post.

 

When you set up scenarios that all end with you being the Ultimate Cubs Fan Who Deserves Tickets, you reap what you sow.

 

Show me exactly where I said that?

 

Ah nevermind I'm not getting into this argument

[jersey cubs fan]

UPDATE: Sitting at a computer with 100 open VWR windows =/= "work"

 

 

The same could be said about just about any "work" that involves using a computer.

 

It takes complete focus & attention, some effort, and knowing what you're doing.

 

It's not exactly easy.

 

What? Complete focus & attention? No. Effort? No. Not easy? No.

[David]

UPDATE: Sitting at a computer with 100 open VWR windows =/= "work"

 

 

The same could be said about just about any "work" that involves using a computer.

 

It takes complete focus & attention, some effort, and knowing what you're doing.

 

It's not exactly easy.

 

What? Complete focus & attention? No. Effort? No. Not easy? No.

 

If you have like 200 tabs open, you have to pay extremely close attention to make sure you catch the one that "makes" it in. I can't sit there and watch TV while I'm doing it. It's also a pain in the ass and there are plenty of people who wouldn't bother making that much of an effort or dedicating that much time to it. To do it, you HAVE to dedicate that block of time to it because you really can't do anything else.

 

Once you actually do get in, it's a race against the clock to make the purchase and get it through before you lose that window, which is a pain in itself.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you have like 200 tabs open, you have to pay extremely close attention to make sure you catch the one that "makes" it in. I can't sit there and watch TV while I'm doing it. It's also a pain in the ass and there are plenty of people who wouldn't bother making that much of an effort or dedicating that much time to it. To do it, you HAVE to dedicate that block of time to it because you really can't do anything else.

 

Once you actually do get in, it's a race against the clock to make the purchase and get it through before you lose that window, which is a pain in itself.

 

You must be really bad at buying tickets. It ain't hard, it doesn't take that much focus, and it's quite easy to beat the clock.

[treebird]

UPDATE: Sitting at a computer with 100 open VWR windows =/= "work"

 

 

The same could be said about just about any "work" that involves using a computer.

 

It takes complete focus & attention, some effort, and knowing what you're doing.

 

It's not exactly easy.

 

What? Complete focus & attention? No. Effort? No. Not easy? No.

 

If you have like 200 tabs open, you have to pay extremely close attention to make sure you catch the one that "makes" it in. I can't sit there and watch TV while I'm doing it. It's also a pain in the ass and there are plenty of people who wouldn't bother making that much of an effort or dedicating that much time to it. To do it, you HAVE to dedicate that block of time to it because you really can't do anything else.

 

Once you actually do get in, it's a race against the clock to make the purchase and get it through before you lose that window, which is a pain in itself.

 

additionally, it's important to remember that what we're comparing this to is filling out a form (30 seconds) and checking your email (0 seconds, you do this anyway)

[David]

If you have like 200 tabs open, you have to pay extremely close attention to make sure you catch the one that "makes" it in. I can't sit there and watch TV while I'm doing it. It's also a pain in the ass and there are plenty of people who wouldn't bother making that much of an effort or dedicating that much time to it. To do it, you HAVE to dedicate that block of time to it because you really can't do anything else.

 

Once you actually do get in, it's a race against the clock to make the purchase and get it through before you lose that window, which is a pain in itself.

 

You must be really bad at buying tickets. It ain't hard, it doesn't take that much focus, and it's quite easy to beat the clock.

 

Yea, no.

 

 

Maybe you have super-vision that can look two places at once, or something, because otherwise there's no way to know when you finally do get through without looking at your screen and only your screen for however many minutes it takes for you to get lucky.

 

And beating the clock isn't as easy as you make it seem when the systems are all bogged down because a bunch of other people are trying to do the same thing and their systems can't handle the load.

Edited September 4, 2008 by David

[UMFan83]

UPDATE: Sitting at a computer with 100 open VWR windows =/= "work"

 

 

The same could be said about just about any "work" that involves using a computer.

 

It takes complete focus & attention, some effort, and knowing what you're doing.

 

It's not exactly easy.

 

What? Complete focus & attention? No. Effort? No. Not easy? No.

 

If you have like 200 tabs open, you have to pay extremely close attention to make sure you catch the one that "makes" it in. I can't sit there and watch TV while I'm doing it. It's also a pain in the ass and there are plenty of people who wouldn't bother making that much of an effort or dedicating that much time to it. To do it, you HAVE to dedicate that block of time to it because you really can't do anything else.

 

Once you actually do get in, it's a race against the clock to make the purchase and get it through before you lose that window, which is a pain in itself.

 

Wow you made purchasing tickets through a VWR seem really exciting.

 

But you're right. Especially with playoff tickets that maybe sell out within 15 minutes, you have to be on top of your game.

[David]

additionally, it's important to remember that what we're comparing this to is filling out a form (30 seconds) and checking your email (0 seconds, you do this anyway)

 

 

Seriously. We're talking about something that completely takes up your attention for sometimes 30-45 minutes at a set time vs. filling out a form whenever the hell you feel like and being alerted when/if you get a shot. Most people aren't willing to do this, believe that.

[Jon]

It does take effort, in my opinion. When I have 500 or more windows open, it has my undivided attention and I'm constantly scrolling through the different windows to check out each tab, open up new ones, refresh those that get stuck, etc.

 

This thread has certainly taken an odd turn since I last read it. I'll just repeat my only hope that the Cubs will treat this more like the luxury seating lotteries and not like the lotteries that other teams run for playoff and prime regular season games.

[David]

It does take effort, in my opinion. When I have 500 or more windows open, it has my undivided attention and I'm constantly scrolling through the different windows to check out each tab, open up new ones, refresh those that get stuck, etc.

 

This thread has certainly taken an odd turn since I last read it. I'll just repeat my only hope that the Cubs will treat this more like the luxury seating lotteries and not like the lotteries that other teams run for playoff and prime regular season games.

 

What's the diff?