Manny Ramirez to LAD, Bay to BOS, Prospects to PITT

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Batting average matters, but it's probably not in the top 5 things I'd look at when evaluating and examining a player.

[Tracer Bullet]

would you trade Soriano for Manny?

 

I would because it would allow us out from Soriano's contract and Manny will be a FA at the end of the year. We'd have our bat for the stretch and then sign Dunn in the offseason. :D

 

Topping the worst OF defensively of Manny and Soriano....adding Dunn! Imagine that of, yikes!

 

I wonder what type of money Dunn is going to get.

 

Well, under my scenario Dunn would play LF, Fukudome in RF, and a yet to be determined player in CF.

 

I know vance but the thought of it made me want to buy season tickets just for the entertainment value in the OF alone!

 

Imagine how fun it would be to watch Dunn launch balls out of Wrigley that might land on the roof tops across the street.

 

It would be nice. So you'd basically trade Dunn for Soriano?

 

yes, because I think you could get Dunn for less dollars and less years than we committed to Soriano. I think while they are different types of hitters, they bring basically the same value as a hitter.

 

Really? I think Dunn brings much more value as a hitter. Not sure how much is offset by the defense, but I don't think it's enough. And Soriano seems to be breaking down quickly.

 

Manny is a career .312 hitter. He is a .320 hitter with runners in scoring position and scoring position with 2 outs. Dunn in no way bring much more value as a hitter. Dunn's best season isn't even as good as Manny's career avg's.

 

I meant Dunn is more value than Soriano. I guess it wasn't clear.

 

I was comparing Dunn & Soriano too. I'm not sure why Manny was brought in.

[Tracer Bullet]

I heard on xm that since they didn't get Texiera the Dodgers are interested in Manny. They definitely have pieces Boston would want.

 

I would have to think any Manny to the Dodgers deal would have to include LA parting with either Kemp or Ethier.

 

Perhaps Kemp and Hu for Manny?

 

I heard something about a Manny for Kemp rumor. Am I the only one that thinks the Dodgers would be idiots to do that deal? If the Dodgers are willing to part with Kemp for a rental, can we sell them on Edmonds? He's tearing it up and a heck of a lot cheaper than Manny. We'll even swap young SS.

 

Edmonds and Cedeno for Kemp and Hu. They can have Eyre too.

 

In what world are Edmonds and Manny interchangeable?

 

Who said they were interchangeable? But if Ned really wants Cedeno and really wants a big bat in the OF, I think we should try to convince him that Edmonds is the better fit for this year. I think the Cubs can address what the Dodgers perceive to be their needs (SS, OF, back-end SP - Edmonds, Cedeno, Marquis).

 

He can get Manny when Boston turns down the $20m option if he wants him.

[rchap24]

Batting average matters, but it's probably not in the top 5 things I'd look at when evaluating and examining a player.

 

Oh I wouldnt say its the most important, but to say its not at all important when comparing hitters makes no sense

[dew1679666265]

Batting average matters, but it's probably not in the top 5 things I'd look at when evaluating and examining a player.

 

Oh I wouldnt say its the most important, but to say its not at all important when comparing hitters makes no sense

 

The problem is, if you look at OBP and SLG, you get everything batting average tells you plus how often they get on via a walk and how often they hit for power.

 

Average is an ok stat for certain purposes, but it's terribly limited in what it tells you.

[rchap24]

That's fine, but regardless I still am keeping my point that Manny was better than Dunn at this age.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Batting average matters, but it's probably not in the top 5 things I'd look at when evaluating and examining a player.

 

Oh I wouldnt say its the most important, but to say its not at all important when comparing hitters makes no sense

 

The problem is, if you look at OBP and SLG, you get everything batting average tells you plus how often they get on via a walk and how often they hit for power.

 

Average is an ok stat for certain purposes, but it's terribly limited in what it tells you.

average is a really good number to look at when you want to know what someone's batting average is

[Ding Dong Johnson]

That's fine, but regardless I still am keeping my point that Manny was better than Dunn at this age.

I'm confused, are you saying Manny at age 28 was better than Adam Dunn today or in this age Manny is better than Dunn? because you probably shouldn't be finding too many people disagreeing either way. and saying this has nothing to do with their batting averages

[rchap24]

Wouldnt Dunn be about as good of a hitter as Manny at this point in their careers anyways?

 

This is what I was referring to. I meant the Manny at age 29 were better than Dunn's

[dew1679666265]

Batting average matters, but it's probably not in the top 5 things I'd look at when evaluating and examining a player.

 

Oh I wouldnt say its the most important, but to say its not at all important when comparing hitters makes no sense

 

The problem is, if you look at OBP and SLG, you get everything batting average tells you plus how often they get on via a walk and how often they hit for power.

 

Average is an ok stat for certain purposes, but it's terribly limited in what it tells you.

average is a really good number to look at when you want to know what someone's batting average is

 

You got me there. :D

[DiamondMind]

Marlins moving in for Manny

 

 

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports that the Marlins are interested in acquiring outfielder Manny Ramirez.

Rosenthal says the odds of a deal are unlikely, but cites a source who is convinced the Red Sox will "purge" Manny. Rosenthal says the Sox would pay the rest of his salary this season and trade him for Josh Willingham or Jeremy Hermida. Ramirez would waive his no-trade clause if the Marlins promised not exercise his option, and would decline arbitration.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8391628/Manny-to-the-Marlins?-Could-happen...?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

[Vanilla Ice]

Wouldnt Dunn be about as good of a hitter as Manny at this point in their careers anyways?

 

This is what I was referring to. I meant the Manny at age 29 were better than Dunn's

but that doesnt matter for the cubs.

 

Is Adam Dunn, at age 28 or whatever, a better hitter than Manny Ramirez, at age 36?

 

thats what matters in this discussion

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Is Adam Dunn, at age 28 or whatever, a better hitter than Manny Ramirez, at age 36?

no

[Vanilla Ice]

Is Adam Dunn, at age 28 or whatever, a better hitter than Manny Ramirez, at age 36?

no

This year

 

Dunn's OPS: .931

Manny's OPS: .932

 

It's pretty close

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Is Adam Dunn, at age 28 or whatever, a better hitter than Manny Ramirez, at age 36?

no

This year

 

Dunn's OPS: .931

Manny's OPS: .932

 

It's pretty close

now see if you can find a stat that adjusts for league and park factors and compare again. sure, it's close, but Manny's still better.

[Vanilla Ice]

Is Adam Dunn, at age 28 or whatever, a better hitter than Manny Ramirez, at age 36?

no

This year

 

Dunn's OPS: .931

Manny's OPS: .932

 

It's pretty close

now see if you can find a stat that adjusts for league and park factors and compare again. sure, it's close, but Manny's still better.

EQA adjusted for season

 

Manny .307

Dunn .314

 

Is that adjusted for league and park factors?

[Vanilla Ice]

Dunn OPS+ 138

Manny OPS+ 142

 

They have basically the same value at the plate

 

Dunn has the advantage in EQA and Manny has the OPS advantage

[rchap24]

Dunn OPS+ 138

Manny OPS+ 142

 

They have basically the same value at the plate

 

Dunn has the advantage in EQA and Manny has the OPS advantage

 

Oh yeah its very close this season. I agree with that, I was just saying when you said you thought Dunn was better than Manny at 29. Now though its much closer, but still Manny is dominant even at 36

[Vanilla Ice]

Dunn OPS+ 138

Manny OPS+ 142

 

They have basically the same value at the plate

 

Dunn has the advantage in EQA and Manny has the OPS advantage

 

Oh yeah its very close this season. I agree with that, I was just saying when you said you thought Dunn was better than Manny at 29. Now though its much closer, but still Manny is dominant even at 36

no i said at this point in their careers, who is a better hitter?

 

which means, who is a better hitter right now

[RammyFanny]

With less than 24 hours before the trade deadline, the Red Sox are engaged in serious conversations to trade Manny Ramirez to the Florida Marlins, as well as other teams. If the Red Sox make a deal with the Marlins, it is likely they would kick in money to offset Ramirez's salary, and they would look for three young players in return -- perhaps outfielder Jeremy Hermida or outfielder Josh Willingham, plus pitchers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3511674&name=mlb_trade_deadline

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

With less than 24 hours before the trade deadline, the Red Sox are engaged in serious conversations to trade Manny Ramirez to the Florida Marlins, as well as other teams. If the Red Sox make a deal with the Marlins, it is likely they would kick in money to offset Ramirez's salary, and they would look for three young players in return -- perhaps outfielder Jeremy Hermida or outfielder Josh Willingham, plus pitchers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3511674&name=mlb_trade_deadline

 

ESPN (Buster Olney) just reported how they are not happy about him loafing to 1st base. They clocked him at 6 seconds and 5.? (can't remember the exact number) seconds. Since they believe he isn't invested in playing for the Red Sox they would rather unload him.

[Rob]

John Perroto is reporting that the deal is on the verge of being completed between the Marlins and the Red Sox.

[killthegoat06]

I'm watching cards-braves (mlb.tv) and they are talking about the trade as being very likely.

 

Mlbtraderumors says hermida to pirates and bay to red sox. I know not to trust them though.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Gammons was clearly irritated with Steve Phillips on Baseball Tonight.

 

Gammons stance: Manny needs to go. End of his contract. He is disrespectful to everyone including the clubhouse kids.

 

Phillips stance: HOF'er blah blah blah

[CubsBears29]

Gammons was clearly irritated with Steve Phillips on Baseball Tonight.

 

Gammons stance: Manny needs to go. End of his contract. He is disrespectful to everyone including the clubhouse kids.

 

Phillips stance: HOF'er blah blah blah

 

I agree that Manny is a, well, whatever he is, but even if the Red Sox DO finally ship him out, Manny's not going to stop Being Manny.

 

He'll just become a clubhouse cancer with the new team. Not right away maybe, but it'll develop soon enough.