Will Carroll concerned with Z's arm

[Jon]

It's worth pointing out that his release point, while on average higher, remains pretty inconsistent. Significantly more so than what it was earlier this season.

[Jon]

It was back down again tonight:

 

http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/release.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2008/month_07/day_29/gid_2008_07_29_chnmlb_milmlb_1//pbp/pitchers/407296.xml&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1

[badger1679666666]

He was also disgustingly sick tonight.

[soapy]

118 pitches? i didn't see the game so maybe i'm missing something, but why send him out for the 8th? particularly after the high count last game (125?).

[jersey cubs fan]

118 pitches? i didn't see the game so maybe i'm missing something, but why send him out for the 8th? particularly after the high count last game (125?).

 

That was predictable following the amount of bullpen usage they've had.

[nolanwood]

118 pitches? i didn't see the game so maybe i'm missing something, but why send him out for the 8th? particularly after the high count last game (125?).

 

He went back out in the 8th cause he didn't have a single high-stress inning and was sailing along with little effort.

[soapy]

118 pitches? i didn't see the game so maybe i'm missing something, but why send him out for the 8th? particularly after the high count last game (125?).

 

He went back out in the 8th cause he didn't have a single high-stress inning and was sailing along with little effort.

ok. 118 wouldn't concern me if he hadn't already had problems this year. factor in that he had 125 last time and i thought it was concerning, though like i said, i didn't actually see the game.

 

as goony pointed out, it could be expected with the bullpen use lately, but i would think Eyre could have been used.

[Bull]

reminiscent of this game.

[Wilson A2000]

118 pitches? i didn't see the game so maybe i'm missing something, but why send him out for the 8th? particularly after the high count last game (125?).

 

That was predictable following the amount of bullpen MISusage they've had.

 

Corrected

[Jon]

Average fastball: 89.95 mph (down 2.64 mph from last time out)

Top fastball: 92.8 mph (down 3.0 mph from last time out)

 

Release point wasn't that low, though the pattern looks a little different:

 

http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/release.php?xml=http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2008/month_08/day_03/gid_2008_08_03_pitmlb_chnmlb_1//pbp/pitchers/407296.xml&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=1

 

But I'm sure Lou will have him throw 120+ pitches for no reason next time out.

[Guest]

At least he only threw 82 today.

[rynefan]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

125 and 118 pitches his 2 previous starts

[Amie]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

 

 

I think Brenly mentioned he was going short on account of his 2 previous games with high pitch counts. In any even he made sure to let the TV audience know that Z was fine.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Edited August 4, 2008 by vance_the_cubs_fan

[Mark_R]

reminiscent of this game.

 

Holy **** that makes me angry.

[David]

Give me the 95 rotation: Castillo, Navarro, Trachel, Foster, and Bullinger. Those were the days!

 

 

Hah, that was my first year watching the team. I actually liked that rotation for some reason. I was a fan of Kevin Foster and Castillo. Navarro was solid with us, too.

 

I don't remember much about Bullinger other than he had huge ears.

[Vinestal]

Give me the 95 rotation: Castillo, Navarro, Trachel, Foster, and Bullinger. Those were the days!

 

 

Hah, that was my first year watching the team. I actually liked that rotation for some reason. I was a fan of Kevin Foster and Castillo. Navarro was solid with us, too.

 

I don't remember much about Bullinger other than he had huge ears.

 

There was a time when Bullinger pitched well, but the thing I remember most about him was that he hit a homerun in his first at-bat against the Cardinals, I think he also pitched well that day to. This is going on my fuzzy bad memory though so I could be completely wrong.

[UMFan83]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

125 and 118 pitches his 2 previous starts

 

Again, there was no reason for Lou to make Z throw in the 8th last week in Milwaukee. We had a 7 run lead and a rested bullpen. I couldnt believe after 125 pitches in his last start, he made Z go out for another inning in a blowout after throwing like 103 through 7 innings. We almost lost yesterday partially because of it.

[Soul]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

125 and 118 pitches his 2 previous starts

 

Again, there was no reason for Lou to make Z throw in the 8th last week in Milwaukee. We had a 7 run lead and a rested bullpen. I couldnt believe after 125 pitches in his last start, he made Z go out for another inning in a blowout after throwing like 103 through 7 innings. We almost lost yesterday partially because of it.

 

I assume Gaudin would still have been in there for the 8th inning regardless, because Z's pitch count was getting pretty high early. So I don't think it had much to do with us giving up the lead.

 

By way of comparison, there's no doubt Dusty would just let Z pitch 120+ every time out for the rest of the season. So at least Lou keeps in mind the wear & tear and tries to take action to limit the damage. That's more than I can say for some other managers in this league.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

125 and 118 pitches his 2 previous starts

 

Again, there was no reason for Lou to make Z throw in the 8th last week in Milwaukee. We had a 7 run lead and a rested bullpen. I couldnt believe after 125 pitches in his last start, he made Z go out for another inning in a blowout after throwing like 103 through 7 innings. We almost lost yesterday partially because of it.

 

We did not have a rested bullpen when Z went 8 last week.

 

And we didn't almost lose because of it today. Z being able to go another inning still means that Cotts/Gaudin pitch the 8th.

[UMFan83]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

125 and 118 pitches his 2 previous starts

 

Again, there was no reason for Lou to make Z throw in the 8th last week in Milwaukee. We had a 7 run lead and a rested bullpen. I couldnt believe after 125 pitches in his last start, he made Z go out for another inning in a blowout after throwing like 103 through 7 innings. We almost lost yesterday partially because of it.

 

We did not have a rested bullpen when Z went 8 last week.

 

And we didn't almost lose because of it today. Z being able to go another inning still means that Cotts/Gaudin pitch the 8th.

 

The counterargument to both your points is Jeff Samardzija. He could have gone 2 in Milwaukee, and if Z went through 6 yesterday, its possibly likely Jeff pitches in the 7th and 8th. Not a given but a possibility.

[UMFan83]

Why did they keep him on such a low pitch count today?

125 and 118 pitches his 2 previous starts

 

Again, there was no reason for Lou to make Z throw in the 8th last week in Milwaukee. We had a 7 run lead and a rested bullpen. I couldnt believe after 125 pitches in his last start, he made Z go out for another inning in a blowout after throwing like 103 through 7 innings. We almost lost yesterday partially because of it.

 

I assume Gaudin would still have been in there for the 8th inning regardless, because Z's pitch count was getting pretty high early. So I don't think it had much to do with us giving up the lead.

 

By way of comparison, there's no doubt Dusty would just let Z pitch 120+ every time out for the rest of the season. So at least Lou keeps in mind the wear & tear and tries to take action to limit the damage. That's more than I can say for some other managers in this league.

 

I agree, I'm not complaining that Lou's burning out our arms at all. It's night and day from Dusty's reign. He just goes about a weird way of using his pitchers.

[twothousandfive]

there was no reason for Lou to make Z throw in the 8th last week in Milwaukee.

 

I think it is possible that, in order for Zambrano to be able to go 120 or so when it matters, he has to build up the stamina. That 118, after the 125, might be what enables him to almost always have it in him to go the distance. It's possible that building to 120+ in October or in a crucial Sep game requires a few back-to-back during the season.

[Brett]

Give me the 95 rotation: Castillo, Navarro, Trachel, Foster, and Bullinger. Those were the days!

 

 

Hah, that was my first year watching the team. I actually liked that rotation for some reason. I was a fan of Kevin Foster and Castillo. Navarro was solid with us, too.

 

I don't remember much about Bullinger other than he had huge ears.

 

Trachsel was dominant in 1996, if nothing else.