Marmol replacing Wood in All Star Game

[nolanwood]

Just out of curiosity, when and who was the last reliever, other than a closer on the All Star Team?

 

Justin Duchscherer with Oakland in 2005.

 

What about Okajima - 2007.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think theres something wrong with his ankle. He went from lights out Carlos, to bad Carlos, to rebounding Carlos, and in the 1.1 innings since he tweaked that ankle, hes been Ridiculously God Awful Carlos.

[twothousandfive]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/anatomy-of-a-player-carlos-marmol/

 

This link, from the other Marmol thread, led to a suggestion that Marmol should be used in the highest-lev situations -- when he's bad, it's BBs, HBP, and HRs. That adds up to more than 1 run at a time. So, if he's brought into a one-run game, he blows it, just as maybe some of the less highly regarded guys would. But they are less likely to blow a three plus run lead. "Bad" Marmol can (as we have seen) blow a four-five run even more easily than those guys.

 

I think the appearance at Comiskey was a truly high-lev one. Other than that, he hasn't been used in a tight situation. I wonder if the right moves after the ASB are to bring him in during an inning, with one guy out and one or more on, in a one-run game. The only recent mid-inning appearances were Dempster's win versus Cin, and the debacle in SF after Ascanio fell apart. Even if he's warmed up, I'd say let someone else start the inning, then bring Marmol in.

[weis21]

From ESPN.com

Marmol (2-3, 4.13 ERA, 3 Sv, 52.1 IP, 29 H, 70 SO) was selected because he was the relief pitcher who received the next highest vote total on the Player Ballot.

 

I was coming here to post that this was probably the case. Hurdle has paid attention to the player voting very, very closely when replacing people in the starting lineup/roster. That's the same reason that was given for Holliday being given the starting nod, for example.

I don't even think this was really a choice. I was just listening to XM Home Plate and whoever the host was said that if a player cannot participate in the AS game due to an injury (Wood), the next highest vote getter at that position MUST be selected (Marmol). The host said that it wasn't a widely known rule, but was part of the arrangement in 2002 in order to get the PA to agree to the WS home field advantage.

 

Now it could be possible that this guy could has this whole thing screwed up, but he acted as if he knew what he was talking about and it didn't sound like speculation to me.

[SouthSideRyan]

From ESPN.com

Marmol (2-3, 4.13 ERA, 3 Sv, 52.1 IP, 29 H, 70 SO) was selected because he was the relief pitcher who received the next highest vote total on the Player Ballot.

 

I was coming here to post that this was probably the case. Hurdle has paid attention to the player voting very, very closely when replacing people in the starting lineup/roster. That's the same reason that was given for Holliday being given the starting nod, for example.

I don't even think this was really a choice. I was just listening to XM Home Plate and whoever the host was said that if a player cannot participate in the AS game due to an injury (Wood), the next highest vote getter at that position MUST be selected (Marmol). The host said that it wasn't a widely known rule, but was part of the arrangement in 2002 in order to get the PA to agree to the WS home field advantage.

 

Now it could be possible that this guy could has this whole thing screwed up, but he acted as if he knew what he was talking about and it didn't sound like speculation to me.

 

If that was the case Soriano wouldn't have been replaced by David Wright.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

From ESPN.com

Marmol (2-3, 4.13 ERA, 3 Sv, 52.1 IP, 29 H, 70 SO) was selected because he was the relief pitcher who received the next highest vote total on the Player Ballot.

 

I was coming here to post that this was probably the case. Hurdle has paid attention to the player voting very, very closely when replacing people in the starting lineup/roster. That's the same reason that was given for Holliday being given the starting nod, for example.

I don't even think this was really a choice. I was just listening to XM Home Plate and whoever the host was said that if a player cannot participate in the AS game due to an injury (Wood), the next highest vote getter at that position MUST be selected (Marmol). The host said that it wasn't a widely known rule, but was part of the arrangement in 2002 in order to get the PA to agree to the WS home field advantage.

 

Now it could be possible that this guy could has this whole thing screwed up, but he acted as if he knew what he was talking about and it didn't sound like speculation to me.

 

If that was the case Soriano wouldn't have been replaced by David Wright.

maybe it's from the players vote

[SouthSideRyan]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

[David]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

 

Maybe it just goes position player/pitcher...

 

*shrug*

[Ding Dong Johnson]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

what I'm saying is, maybe it's in reference to the players chosen on the players ballot, not the fan ballot

[SouthSideRyan]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

what I'm saying is, maybe it's in reference to the players chosen on the players ballot, not the fan ballot

 

It obviously is(being referred to), since fans don't vote on pitchers, but the players vote by position as well.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

what I'm saying is, maybe it's in reference to the players chosen on the players ballot, not the fan ballot

 

It obviously is(being referred to), since fans don't vote on pitchers, but the players vote by position as well.

and Soriano was voted in by the fans, therefore this wouldn't come into play

[SouthSideRyan]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

what I'm saying is, maybe it's in reference to the players chosen on the players ballot, not the fan ballot

 

It obviously is(being referred to), since fans don't vote on pitchers, but the players vote by position as well.

and Soriano was voted in by the fans, therefore this wouldn't come into play

 

I was just listening to XM Home Plate and whoever the host was said that if a player cannot participate in the AS game due to an injury (Wood), the next highest vote getter at that position MUST be selected (Marmol).

 

The host was probably an idiot(he's a sports radio host), but the way this is phrased says nothing about how the player got there, just if one needs to be replaced they go to the next highest.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

According to weis, the next highest vote getter at that position takes over. If that were the case the next highest vote getter at OF would've taken over, not a 3B.

what I'm saying is, maybe it's in reference to the players chosen on the players ballot, not the fan ballot

 

It obviously is(being referred to), since fans don't vote on pitchers, but the players vote by position as well.

and Soriano was voted in by the fans, therefore this wouldn't come into play

 

I was just listening to XM Home Plate and whoever the host was said that if a player cannot participate in the AS game due to an injury (Wood), the next highest vote getter at that position MUST be selected (Marmol).

 

The host was probably an idiot(he's a sports radio host), but the way this is phrased says nothing about how the player got there, just if one needs to be replaced they go to the next highest.

I don't know, it's just a guess. if there's anything to do with the voting (and the implication that the PA agreed to it), my guess is the agreement was based solely on the player voting. chances are the host was probably an idiot though

[weis21]

Yeah, I kinda figured that I would open up a can of worms, but I'm just passing along what the guy said.

 

After looking up the programming from this morning, it was either Chuck Wilson or Joe Castellano. I have no idea if either guy is a credible source. If the guy was indeed correct, then I'm inclined to agree with Bob's guess that it's the player's votes that are used to determine injury subs and not the fan's votes. I couldn't possibly see why the Player's Association would take into account the fan's vote during any bargaining agreement.

[BigSlick]

please don't use marmol in this game

 

the boy needs rest

[NCCubFan]

please don't use marmol in this game

 

the boy needs rest

You should have e-mailed Hurdle with those instructions instead of posting it on a message board. :D

[BigSlick]

please don't use marmol in this game

 

the boy needs rest

You should have e-mailed Hurdle with those instructions instead of posting it on a message board. :D

I'm happy he went in and how he performed. And i'm double happy he didn't come out for a second inning, perhaps we can hire Hurdle to manage the Cubs?

 

He didn't look lights-out-beginning-of-the-year Carlos, but he certainly looked awesome

[CubbieBum]

please don't use marmol in this game

 

the boy needs rest

You should have e-mailed Hurdle with those instructions instead of posting it on a message board. :D

I'm happy he went in and how he performed. And i'm double happy he didn't come out for a second inning, perhaps we can hire Hurdle to manage the Cubs?

He didn't look lights-out-beginning-of-the-year Carlos, but he certainly looked awesome

 

Unwarranted jabs at Piniella are getting old. Marmol has pitched more than an inning in one outing six times in 49 appearances this season. Compare that to Heath Bell's 7 in 46 or gasp the Rockies setup man who has 7 in 40 appearances.

[C.C.]

I missed the later innings. How did Marmol and Dempster look? By the box scores they more then did their job.

[Andy]

I missed the later innings. How did Marmol and Dempster look? By the box scores they more then did their job.

Both looked absolutely awesome. Dempster had pinpoint command and Marmol's slider was nasty.

[nolanwood]

All of our pitcher's looked very nasty last night - Dempster K'd the side.

[ctcf]

Although I obviously dislike the ASG on general principle, I'm glad Marmol played in hindsight, but only because he did so well. Hopefully this and the days off will get him set straight.

[Jehrico]

Although I obviously dislike the ASG on general principle, I'm glad Marmol played in hindsight, but only because he did so well. Hopefully this and the days off will get him set straight.

Hopefully Lou won't think he needs to throw him out there in 3 of the first four games after the break to see.

[ctcf]

Although I obviously dislike the ASG on general principle, I'm glad Marmol played in hindsight, but only because he did so well. Hopefully this and the days off will get him set straight.

Hopefully Lou won't think he needs to throw him out there in 3 of the first four games after the break to see.

 

One can only hope.

[Tyrant]

Although I obviously dislike the ASG on general principle, I'm glad Marmol played in hindsight, but only because he did so well. Hopefully this and the days off will get him set straight.

 

I agree. I know there was a lot of hand-wringing here about him pitching, but I'm glad he got in the game. He may never make another All-Star team, and he'll always remember being able to pitch in the All-Star game, at Yankee Stadium, no less. Good for Marmol, I say.