R. Hill Turning the Corner ?

[CuseCubFan69]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Lou has made his fair share of comments over the past two seasons indicating that Marquis was in danger of losing his spot. However, the fact that he has not lost his rotation spot after numerous strings of poor performances makes me think that Lou does not actually mean what he says about Marquis being on thin ice. He has given Hill a much shorter leash. While Hendry seems to support Hill, I'm not entirely confident that Lou would allow Hill to just step into Marquis' spot when Hill is ready to come up.

 

I think money and options have a bit to do with that though. Plus, once Lou says that Marquis seems to pitch a game out of his Kazoo and lives to pitch another day.

[Vanilla Ice]

So the question is, if Headcase comes back to last year's form, what is our playoff rotation?

 

Z

Harden

Dempster

Hill?

 

If that is the case and we go with a 12 man pitching staff and all our pitchers are healthy and not traded, what is the bullpen?

 

Wood

Marmol

Howry

Eyre

Marshall

Wuertz

Gaudin

 

Would we possibly keep Lilly off of the staff for the playoffs?

[SouthSideRyan]

Most teams use 11 man staffs for the playoffs.

[Vanilla Ice]

Most teams use 11 man staffs for the playoffs.

so then I would assume Marshall or Gaudin is dropped.

but my question (assuming Hill is back) was basically is it fairly likely Lilly is not on the playoff roster?

[David]

I highly doubt, barring some second half dominance from Hill and some horrific pitching from Lilly, that Lou would ever put Hill in the playoff rotation ahead of Lilly.

[soapy]

so what's the deal? any news on where/when he's pitching next?

[Guest]

so what's the deal? any news on where/when he's pitching next?

 

Still looking for news online but there's nothing in the Des Moines or Chicago media as of yet. Tomorrow would be his turn in Mesa, Friday would be his first chance in Iowa as the I-Cubs are on their all-star break till then. If we don't see his name in the box score for Mesa tomorrow, it would appear likely he'd come off Iowa's DL on Friday (we don't hear about Iowa Cubs transactions until the day off normally). It'd be great if the Chicago papers would pick up on Hill but I haven't see anything on Rich since his awful first start in the AZL.

[sporrer17]

so what's the deal? any news on where/when he's pitching next?

 

Still looking for news online but there's nothing in the Des Moines or Chicago media as of yet. Tomorrow would be his turn in Mesa, Friday would be his first chance in Iowa as the I-Cubs are on their all-star break till then. If we don't see his name in the box score for Mesa tomorrow, it would appear likely he'd come off Iowa's DL on Friday (we don't hear about Iowa Cubs transactions until the day off normally). It'd be great if the Chicago papers would pick up on Hill but I haven't see anything on Rich since his awful first start in the AZL.

 

I've seen a mention of each of his last two starts in Tribune articles. The first saying he threw 4 scoreless, then the next saying he threw 5 shutout innings.

 

Rich Hill threw five shutout innings against rookie leaguers Saturday with one walk. He's likely to go to Triple-A Iowa after the All-Star break.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Most teams use 11 man staffs for the playoffs.

so then I would assume Marshall or Gaudin is dropped.

but my question (assuming Hill is back) was basically is it fairly likely Lilly is not on the playoff roster?

 

I'd be shocked if Wuertz is taken over Gaudin. I could also see them going with just 1 lefty in the pen, not two.

[soapy]

so what's the deal? any news on where/when he's pitching next?

 

Still looking for news online but there's nothing in the Des Moines or Chicago media as of yet. Tomorrow would be his turn in Mesa, Friday would be his first chance in Iowa as the I-Cubs are on their all-star break till then. If we don't see his name in the box score for Mesa tomorrow, it would appear likely he'd come off Iowa's DL on Friday (we don't hear about Iowa Cubs transactions until the day off normally). It'd be great if the Chicago papers would pick up on Hill but I haven't see anything on Rich since his awful first start in the AZL.

 

yeah, i checked after i posted that and saw iowa doesn't play tomorrow either so Friday would be his first chance (if that's where he's headed). i guess we'll have a better idea tomorrow based on Mesa's game.

[BigbadB]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Lou has made his fair share of comments over the past two seasons indicating that Marquis was in danger of losing his spot. However, the fact that he has not lost his rotation spot after numerous strings of poor performances makes me think that Lou does not actually mean what he says about Marquis being on thin ice. He has given Hill a much shorter leash. While Hendry seems to support Hill, I'm not entirely confident that Lou would allow Hill to just step into Marquis' spot when Hill is ready to come up.

 

I think money and options have a bit to do with that though. Plus, once Lou says that Marquis seems to pitch a game out of his Kazoo and lives to pitch another day.

 

That and he loses all trade value is he's not in the rotation. Teams might trade for a 7m starter, but none would have any interest in a 7m long reliever.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

That and he loses all trade value is he's not in the rotation. Teams might trade for a 7m starter, but none would have any interest in a 7m long reliever.

just because he loses his role in the rotation here doesn't mean he wouldn't be welcome in rotations elsewhere. as "awful" as he's been, he's still better than the 4 or 5 starters most teams have

[Tracer Bullet]

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Lou has made his fair share of comments over the past two seasons indicating that Marquis was in danger of losing his spot. However, the fact that he has not lost his rotation spot after numerous strings of poor performances makes me think that Lou does not actually mean what he says about Marquis being on thin ice. He has given Hill a much shorter leash. While Hendry seems to support Hill, I'm not entirely confident that Lou would allow Hill to just step into Marquis' spot when Hill is ready to come up.

 

I think money and options have a bit to do with that though. Plus, once Lou says that Marquis seems to pitch a game out of his Kazoo and lives to pitch another day.

 

That and he loses all trade value is he's not in the rotation. Teams might trade for a 7m starter, but none would have any interest in a 7m long reliever.

 

No one's going to decide whether or not to trade for Marquis based on whether he's a starter or reliever over the next 2 weeks.

[Guest]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

That's good, I guess. At least it will be against more advanced hitters than Mesa and there will be people in the stands.

[Rob]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

 

baby steps, baby steps...

[CubColtPacer]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

The extra day almost certainly helped. He's going to pitch tomorrow for Daytona, but would have had to wait until at least Friday for Iowa. Every extra day is important at this point because he still has a certain number of starts (probably around 4 I would say) where he has to show good control in order to be brought up, and it doesn't honestly really matter if the last 2 of those are with Iowa or the last 4 are. But giving him extra rest at this point does hurt, because it lengthens the timeframe.

Edited July 17, 2008 by CubColtPacer

[Joe_Cub]

rich hill is on a quest to start at every level of pro ball at least once a season.

[Brett]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

The extra day almost certainly helped. He's going to pitch tomorrow for Daytona, but would have had to wait until at least Friday for Iowa. Every extra day is important at this point because he still has a certain number of starters (probably around 4 I would say) where he has to show good control in order to be brought up, and it doesn't honestly really matter if the last 2 of those are with Iowa or the last 4 are. But giving him extra rest at this point does hurt, because it lengthens the timeframe.

 

Not surprising that level doesn't matter much for Hill's situation.

[NCCubFan]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

The extra day almost certainly helped. He's going to pitch tomorrow for Daytona, but would have had to wait until at least Friday for Iowa. Every extra day is important at this point because he still has a certain number of starters (probably around 4 I would say) where he has to show good control in order to be brought up, and it doesn't honestly really matter if the last 2 of those are with Iowa or the last 4 are. But giving him extra rest at this point does hurt, because it lengthens the timeframe.

 

Not surprising that level doesn't matter much for Hill's situation.

If his problem was that he was being hit hard, as opposed to wild, then level would matter because of the quality of competition. But since the issue is finding the strike zone it doesn't matter, since the strike zone is the same regardless of the level of competition.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

The extra day almost certainly helped. He's going to pitch tomorrow for Daytona, but would have had to wait until at least Friday for Iowa. Every extra day is important at this point because he still has a certain number of starters (probably around 4 I would say) where he has to show good control in order to be brought up, and it doesn't honestly really matter if the last 2 of those are with Iowa or the last 4 are. But giving him extra rest at this point does hurt, because it lengthens the timeframe.

 

Not surprising that level doesn't matter much for Hill's situation.

If his problem was that he was being hit hard, as opposed to wild, then level would matter because of the quality of competition. But since the issue is finding the strike zone it doesn't matter, since the strike zone is the same regardless of the level of competition.

 

if you've watched enough minor league baseball, you realize this is not always the case.

[NCCubFan]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

The extra day almost certainly helped. He's going to pitch tomorrow for Daytona, but would have had to wait until at least Friday for Iowa. Every extra day is important at this point because he still has a certain number of starters (probably around 4 I would say) where he has to show good control in order to be brought up, and it doesn't honestly really matter if the last 2 of those are with Iowa or the last 4 are. But giving him extra rest at this point does hurt, because it lengthens the timeframe.

 

Not surprising that level doesn't matter much for Hill's situation.

If his problem was that he was being hit hard, as opposed to wild, then level would matter because of the quality of competition. But since the issue is finding the strike zone it doesn't matter, since the strike zone is the same regardless of the level of competition.

 

if you've watched enough minor league baseball, you realize this is not always the case.

OK, the THEORETICAL strike zone is the same.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rich Hill to Daytona. Will start tomorrow.

 

http://www.daytonacubs.com/cgi-bin/dist/news.cgi?id=1

 

Any idea why they chose Daytona over Iowa?

 

The extra day almost certainly helped. He's going to pitch tomorrow for Daytona, but would have had to wait until at least Friday for Iowa. Every extra day is important at this point because he still has a certain number of starters (probably around 4 I would say) where he has to show good control in order to be brought up, and it doesn't honestly really matter if the last 2 of those are with Iowa or the last 4 are. But giving him extra rest at this point does hurt, because it lengthens the timeframe.

 

Not surprising that level doesn't matter much for Hill's situation.

If his problem was that he was being hit hard, as opposed to wild, then level would matter because of the quality of competition. But since the issue is finding the strike zone it doesn't matter, since the strike zone is the same regardless of the level of competition.

 

if you've watched enough minor league baseball, you realize this is not always the case.

OK, the THEORETICAL strike zone is the same.

 

Fair enough.

[treebird]

as many have stated, if rich hill is good, no one can hit him anywhere, so the location of the start is meaningless.

 

go throw strikes.