R. Hill Turning the Corner ?

[abuck1220]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

[Warren Brusstar]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the personal attack. In kind, I take it as a compliment that one of Desipio's most oft-whipped NSBB posters doesn't like me.

 

Question: Does the Triple A coach also suck for not fixing Rich?

[abuck1220]

desipio...there's some good company for you.

[javy knows my name]

Well this thread is as good as locked

[TruffleShuffle]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the personal attack. In kind, I take it as a compliment that one of Desipio's most oft-whipped NSBB posters doesn't like me.

 

i wouldn't take that as a compliment.

[Tracer Bullet]

Well this thread is as good as locked

 

Why? Despite the claim, there's no personal attack is abuck's message (unless it was subsequently edited and I missed something good).

[twothousandfive]

Is Hill still on the 40-man roster? So long as he is, it wouldn't be too difficult to get him onto the post-season roster. I'm not sure seven weeks will be enough time to get the stamina and consistency that will be needed to be on the 25-man roster on Aug 31, not to mention winning the confidence of Piniella and others.

[javy knows my name]

Well this thread is as good as locked

 

Why? Despite the claim, there's no personal attack is abuck's message (unless it was subsequently edited and I missed something good).

I figured abuck's suggestion that the other guy go to Desipio would get it done

[abuck1220]

Well this thread is as good as locked

 

Why? Despite the claim, there's no personal attack is abuck's message (unless it was subsequently edited and I missed something good).

I figured abuck's suggestion that the other guy go to Desipio would get it done

 

except that's not what happened.

[jersey cubs fan]

Is Hill still on the 40-man roster? So long as he is, it wouldn't be too difficult to get him onto the post-season roster. I'm not sure seven weeks will be enough time to get the stamina and consistency that will be needed to be on the 25-man roster on Aug 31, not to mention winning the confidence of Piniella and others.

 

He is on the 40-man and I don't think building endurance would be all that much of an issue. It's not like he's been on the DL and not throwing. He's been throwing quite a bit, I believe.

[Soul]

Well this thread is as good as locked

 

Why? Despite the claim, there's no personal attack is abuck's message (unless it was subsequently edited and I missed something good).

I figured abuck's suggestion that the other guy go to Desipio would get it done

 

except that's not what happened.

 

We don't often get along, but if it means anything, IMO you were only pointing out that Rothschild couldn't help Hill and it appears that someone else "lower" in the organization has been able to. That's a valid point -- it doesn't mean Larry is always going to be horrible, but in Rich's case, it appears Larry didn't have the answers (and he probably should have).

[CubColtPacer]

Well this thread is as good as locked

 

Why? Despite the claim, there's no personal attack is abuck's message (unless it was subsequently edited and I missed something good).

I figured abuck's suggestion that the other guy go to Desipio would get it done

 

except that's not what happened.

 

We don't often get along, but if it means anything, IMO you were only pointing out that Rothschild couldn't help Hill and it appears that someone else "lower" in the organization has been able to. That's a valid point -- it doesn't mean Larry is always going to be horrible, but in Rich's case, it appears Larry didn't have the answers (and he probably should have).

 

The point is though that lower in the organization does not always mean inferior. While every level has to be worried about mechanics to some degree, at the major league level it can take a backseat and becomes more about how to make the pitcher be most effective to the team he's facing that day.

You'd be better served by keeping your best pitcher mechanics experts down in the minors where they can help a multitude of pitchers. To achieve the best results, you'd want that guy not tied down to any one team. In the Cubs case, they have hired an excellent minor league pitching coordinator.

 

Besides...they were always going to let Hill have a month or two of trying to get his old delivery back before they then tried to change him to something completely different. For some reason, Hill still could not find his old delivery, so they took the risk of teaching him something new and it has worked well so far.

[USSoccer]

Why does Rothschild get a free pass for the demolition of Mark Prior post-2003, as well as the regressions of Lilly and Marquis in 2008?

 

I don't see what's so special about him. They jacked around with a pitcher in Hill who didn't need tinkering, and now they've lost half the season's worth of Good Rich Hill just so they could make his delivery to home plate faster.

[Derwood]

what does this have to do with Chuck Knoblauch?

[Soul]

Well this thread is as good as locked

 

Why? Despite the claim, there's no personal attack is abuck's message (unless it was subsequently edited and I missed something good).

I figured abuck's suggestion that the other guy go to Desipio would get it done

 

except that's not what happened.

 

We don't often get along, but if it means anything, IMO you were only pointing out that Rothschild couldn't help Hill and it appears that someone else "lower" in the organization has been able to. That's a valid point -- it doesn't mean Larry is always going to be horrible, but in Rich's case, it appears Larry didn't have the answers (and he probably should have).

 

The point is though that lower in the organization does not always mean inferior. While every level has to be worried about mechanics to some degree, at the major league level it can take a backseat and becomes more about how to make the pitcher be most effective to the team he's facing that day.

You'd be better served by keeping your best pitcher mechanics experts down in the minors where they can help a multitude of pitchers. To achieve the best results, you'd want that guy not tied down to any one team. In the Cubs case, they have hired an excellent minor league pitching coordinator.

 

Besides...they were always going to let Hill have a month or two of trying to get his old delivery back before they then tried to change him to something completely different. For some reason, Hill still could not find his old delivery, so they took the risk of teaching him something new and it has worked well so far.

 

Well for the record I'm not saying crucify Larry, but it does seem weird that they would tinker around with Hill that much. I pretty much agree it's probably best to have your best mechanics guy in the minors. But if that's the case, then why did Larry insist on tinkering with Hill's delivery in the first place?

[Tyrant]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the personal attack. In kind, I take it as a compliment that one of Desipio's most oft-whipped NSBB posters doesn't like me.

 

i wouldn't take that as a compliment.

 

What's Desipio? Did a google search and it looks like it's just a blog to me, which is pretty different than a message board.

[Derwood]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the personal attack. In kind, I take it as a compliment that one of Desipio's most oft-whipped NSBB posters doesn't like me.

 

i wouldn't take that as a compliment.

 

What's Desipio? Did a google search and it looks like it's just a blog to me, which is pretty different than a message board.

 

it has a message board. it's just as self-loathing as Dodger Blues, but about 1% as funny

[Tyrant]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the personal attack. In kind, I take it as a compliment that one of Desipio's most oft-whipped NSBB posters doesn't like me.

 

i wouldn't take that as a compliment.

 

What's Desipio? Did a google search and it looks like it's just a blog to me, which is pretty different than a message board.

 

it has a message board. it's just as self-loathing as Dodger Blues, but about 1% as funny

 

Oh, I found it now. Looks like you need an account to view posts though, so I can't judge anything.

[Soul]

 

I'm sorry that you don't like the answer, but it's a meaningful analogy and shows how absurd your argument is. Should Larry Rothschild share some of the blame? Of course. But the notion that poor Rich Hill would be mowing down majoe league hitters right now if Rothschild hadn't forced him to become bad is laughable.

 

and i never said that. and it's not a meaningful analogy for the reasons i pointed out above.

 

i've argued with lots of people about rich hill over the years, and, i have to say, you are one of the worst. and that's saying something.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the personal attack. In kind, I take it as a compliment that one of Desipio's most oft-whipped NSBB posters doesn't like me.

 

i wouldn't take that as a compliment.

 

What's Desipio? Did a google search and it looks like it's just a blog to me, which is pretty different than a message board.

 

They have a message board. Do a search for NSBB if you want to see.

[Derwood]

you don't need to be a member to see posts, at least you didn't used to. i've read some of their stuff and i'm not a member

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

you don't need to be a member to see posts, at least you didn't used to. i've read some of their stuff and i'm not a member

 

 

Member? Hell you don't even need to be educated to read their posts. In fact, if all you have a middle school grasp of scatological humor, you'll do fine over there.

[Soul]

I agree: if you really want to laugh at posts, Dodger Blues is the place to go, not desipio.

[Andy]

It would seem to fit this 2008 Cubs team to see Hill get a September call-up and own the league, bumping Marquis from the rotation for the playoffs.

Cardinal fans would probably try and use that as a counter to anything we said about Ludwick/Ankiel/etc and ignore the fact that Hill should never have disappeared to begin with.

[Andy]

Why does Rothschild get a free pass for the demolition of Mark Prior post-2003, as well as the regressions of Lilly and Marquis in 2008?

 

I don't see what's so special about him. They jacked around with a pitcher in Hill who didn't need tinkering, and now they've lost half the season's worth of Good Rich Hill just so they could make his delivery to home plate faster.

I'm not saying Larry is good, because I dislike him and wish we'd get somebody else. But Lilly and Marquis both overperformed in 2007 and Lilly is on the wrong side of 30, and I'm not even remotely surprised that they aren't doing as well this year.

[rawaction]

Is Hill still on the 40-man roster? So long as he is, it wouldn't be too difficult to get him onto the post-season roster. I'm not sure seven weeks will be enough time to get the stamina and consistency that will be needed to be on the 25-man roster on Aug 31, not to mention winning the confidence of Piniella and others.

 

He is on the 40-man and I don't think building endurance would be all that much of an issue. It's not like he's been on the DL and not throwing. He's been throwing quite a bit, I believe.

 

He hasn't been able to last more than 50-65 pitches though in a long while though, because he can't find the plate. He does need to build his endurance back up, but it shouldn't take too long.