Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[SouthSideRyan]

How's Lickliter's seat?

[bcl412]

How's Lickliter's seat?

 

At this point he's probably going to stick around. He still has lots of time left on his contract and I can't see the University wanting to pay him especially because I think we are still paying Alford. If we hire another coach we would be paying 3 guys for a garbage program.

 

I'm not to keen on the financial stuff though so I might be way off.

[SouthSideRyan]

How's Lickliter's seat?

 

At this point he's probably going to stick around. He still has lots of time left on his contract and I can't see the University wanting to pay him especially because I think we are still paying Alford. If we hire another coach we would be paying 3 guys for a garbage program.

 

I'm not to keen on the financial stuff though so I might be way off.

 

Oh, I'm sure he survives to coach next season, I just don't know if he can survive a last place finish next year(which looks really likely if all these transfers/bootings take place. And I'm way more down on IU than most.)

[hawkeyecub]

How's Lickliter's seat?

 

Prior to today everything was basically give him next year to be in the NIT maybe contend for the bubble and by Year 4 you've got to be in the tournament or else. Now that's not realistic and I'm not sure what the hell you do to sell tickets or raise money to get a practice facility.

 

The problem is we're left with a depleted roster in April. The only thing you can find at this point are JUCO's who usually come with some baggage. He's a long-term build guy, not a quick fix guy. The only thing he can do at this point is patch a few spots for this year and go insane for the '10 class. Except he's not going to be able to bring in top 100 players. He has to be wondering why the hell he left Butler.

 

We're completely effed. This sucks.

[bcl412]

How's Lickliter's seat?

 

At this point he's probably going to stick around. He still has lots of time left on his contract and I can't see the University wanting to pay him especially because I think we are still paying Alford. If we hire another coach we would be paying 3 guys for a garbage program.

 

I'm not to keen on the financial stuff though so I might be way off.

 

Oh, I'm sure he survives to coach next season, I just don't know if he can survive a last place finish next year(which looks really likely if all these transfers/bootings take place. And I'm way more down on IU than most.)

 

It takes awhile for Iowa to pull the trigger on a coach. Alford was here for a lot longer than most people thought he should have been although they haven't gone through a stretch like this and if the rumored events actually take place Iowa is going to struggle to win 5 games (total) next year and 5 may be too high of a mark.

[bcl412]

How's Lickliter's seat?

 

Prior to today everything was basically give him next year to be in the NIT maybe contend for the bubble and by Year 4 you've got to be in the tournament or else. Now that's not realistic and I'm not sure what the hell you do to sell tickets or raise money to get a practice facility.

 

The problem is we're left with a depleted roster in April. The only thing you can find at this point are JUCO's who usually come with some baggage. He's a long-term build guy, not a quick fix guy. The only thing he can do at this point is patch a few spots for this year and go insane for the '10 class. Except he's not going to be able to bring in top 100 players. He has to be wondering why the hell he left Butler.

 

We're completely effed. This sucks.

 

I kind of miss Alford right now.

[hawkeyecub]

How's Lickliter's seat?

 

Prior to today everything was basically give him next year to be in the NIT maybe contend for the bubble and by Year 4 you've got to be in the tournament or else. Now that's not realistic and I'm not sure what the hell you do to sell tickets or raise money to get a practice facility.

 

The problem is we're left with a depleted roster in April. The only thing you can find at this point are JUCO's who usually come with some baggage. He's a long-term build guy, not a quick fix guy. The only thing he can do at this point is patch a few spots for this year and go insane for the '10 class. Except he's not going to be able to bring in top 100 players. He has to be wondering why the hell he left Butler.

 

We're completely effed. This sucks.

 

I kind of miss Alford right now.

 

Sort of but the drama that he had in his first few years (well whole tenure) was crazy also.

 

No it was time for Alford to go and I defended him quite a bit. There was too much damage done and the fans were never going to warm up to him enough as a whole.

 

I thought Lickliter was an excellent hire. But now we're looking at year 4 before we can even think of the NCAA's.

[SouthSideRyan]

On one end, of the spectrum, you'll definitely win more than 5 games. Indiana was 5 D-1 games this year with absolutely nothing.

 

On the other end, there's no way you contend for an NCAA berth in '10-'11. The Big Ten is looking way too strong, and at best Iowa will have some good, not great freshmen to lead them.

[hawkeyecub]

On one end, of the spectrum, you'll definitely win more than 5 games. Indiana was 5 D-1 games this year with absolutely nothing.

 

On the other end, there's no way you contend for an NCAA berth in '10-'11. The Big Ten is looking way too strong, and at best Iowa will have some good, not great freshmen to lead them.

 

Stop. It's too painful.

 

Well here's the most optimistic viewpoint possible and most spin I can conjure up: Davis and Palmer were not likely to contribute much at all next year so no real loss there. I was never really high on Peterson and if they land the JC PG Armstead who they've been relentlessly going after for a long time, he was expected to have a very good shot at starting PG next year anyways. So he can effectively replace Peterson and has 3 years left instead of 2. Gatens, Tucker and Fuller look like a solid trio of sophomores and good core along with Cole.

Kelly is the major loss. He was our best player easily.

 

Ah who am I kidding. This sucks. We would have to get super-lucky with our next coaching hire. The job is no longer as desirable as it was 10 years ago when we were a middle of the pack Big Ten team and regular in the tournament.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ahh, I forgot Gatens. Still doesn't change much in terms of better than 5 wins, but worse than the tourney in 2 years, but it does give them some sort of quality experience.

[cubbinalltheway]

uconn and duke games tomorrow night for those in the chicago area.

[ISUCubsFan]

Iowa State's player retention problems seem to be contagious and moving eastward. Lickliter and McDermott are having eerily similar tenures at this point.

[manbearcub]

lick's a lame duck right now. it sucks, but oh well. last place next year is a near certainty.

 

Id almost rather get it over with now and not waste a whole year on the transition. But our AD wont have the balls to fire him after 2 years.

[illiniguy]

Didn't Alford leave on his own? How would you still be paying him?

 

Also I had it on good authority that Iowa would be competing for the Big Ten title in 2010.

 

 

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

[Butterscup1679666578]

uconn and duke games tomorrow night for those in the chicago area.

 

lol really? joke.

[manbearcub]

Didn't Alford leave on his own? How would you still be paying him?

he did and theyre not.

 

eta: the AD gave lickliter an inconcievably large deal too. thats the biggest problem.

[hawkeyecub]

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

 

Yeah except that has nothing to do with the current situation.

 

We haven't gotten good players from Chicago in decades anyways. And if Coach Ping is such a nut that he influences other coaches to freeze out Iowa because they were honest about one of his former player's role then he can go eff himself. Seriously.

 

I loved Tony as a player but he wanted it to be the Tony show. He wanted to do his own thing, not stay within the offense or help younger guys. They told him he needed to buy in and work within the system or his playing time would drop. He took his ball and went home.

 

If that gets you locked out of Chicago then Chicago basketball can go eff itself. You don't cater to the demands of a slightly above-average Big Ten player to the detriment of your own coaching staff just so some senile old man who wants to be powerful doesn't speak bad about your program.

 

And yeah I would rather suck than have a spineless coach who would sell his soul and let some clowns 4 hours away run his program because they MAY give us some recruits at some point.

Edited March 25, 2009 by hawkeyecub

[hawkeyecub]

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[illiniguy]

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

 

Yeah except that has nothing to do with the current situation.

 

We haven't gotten good players from Chicago in decades anyways. And if Coach Ping is such a nut that he influences other coaches to freeze out Iowa because they were honest about one of his former player's role then he can go eff himself. Seriously.

 

I loved Tony as a player but he wanted it to be the Tony show. He wanted to do his own thing, not stay within the offense or help younger guys. They told him he needed to buy in and work within the system or his playing time would drop. He took his ball and went home.

 

If that gets you locked out of Chicago then Chicago basketball can go eff itself. You don't cater to the demands of a slightly above-average Big Ten player to the detriment of your own coaching staff just so some senile old man who wants to be powerful doesn't speak bad about your program.

 

And yeah I would rather suck than have a spineless coach who would sell his soul and let some clowns 4 hours away run his program because they MAY give us some recruits at some point.

He didn't have to run him off. He's still the coach bench him if he doesn't see things your way. It would still behoove(sp?) Iowa to have an in with Chicago. It makes is much easier to win in the midwest when you can recruit that market.

[hawkeyecub]

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

 

Yeah except that has nothing to do with the current situation.

 

We haven't gotten good players from Chicago in decades anyways. And if Coach Ping is such a nut that he influences other coaches to freeze out Iowa because they were honest about one of his former player's role then he can go eff himself. Seriously.

 

I loved Tony as a player but he wanted it to be the Tony show. He wanted to do his own thing, not stay within the offense or help younger guys. They told him he needed to buy in and work within the system or his playing time would drop. He took his ball and went home.

 

If that gets you locked out of Chicago then Chicago basketball can go eff itself. You don't cater to the demands of a slightly above-average Big Ten player to the detriment of your own coaching staff just so some senile old man who wants to be powerful doesn't speak bad about your program.

 

And yeah I would rather suck than have a spineless coach who would sell his soul and let some clowns 4 hours away run his program because they MAY give us some recruits at some point.

He didn't have to run him off. He's still the coach bench him if he doesn't see things your way. It would still behoove(sp?) Iowa to have an in with Chicago. It makes is much easier to win in the midwest when you can recruit that market.

 

He didn't run him off. He told him he would have to adapt his attitude and approach or he would see reduced minutes and a reduced role. Tony didn't want to change and left.

 

I see nothing wrong with that from either side. And if that risks you losing players from Chicago that you never really got to begin with, so be it. I have a lot of questions about Lick but that's not one of them. Like I said I'd rather have a coach who is honest and at least trying to implement his system and vision than be held hostage by some clowns in Chicago who never really sent us players.

[illiniguy]

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

 

Yeah except that has nothing to do with the current situation.

 

We haven't gotten good players from Chicago in decades anyways. And if Coach Ping is such a nut that he influences other coaches to freeze out Iowa because they were honest about one of his former player's role then he can go eff himself. Seriously.

 

I loved Tony as a player but he wanted it to be the Tony show. He wanted to do his own thing, not stay within the offense or help younger guys. They told him he needed to buy in and work within the system or his playing time would drop. He took his ball and went home.

 

If that gets you locked out of Chicago then Chicago basketball can go eff itself. You don't cater to the demands of a slightly above-average Big Ten player to the detriment of your own coaching staff just so some senile old man who wants to be powerful doesn't speak bad about your program.

 

And yeah I would rather suck than have a spineless coach who would sell his soul and let some clowns 4 hours away run his program because they MAY give us some recruits at some point.

He didn't have to run him off. He's still the coach bench him if he doesn't see things your way. It would still behoove(sp?) Iowa to have an in with Chicago. It makes is much easier to win in the midwest when you can recruit that market.

 

He didn't run him off. He told him he would have to adapt his attitude and approach or he would see reduced minutes and a reduced role. Tony didn't want to change and left.

 

I see nothing wrong with that from either side. And if that risks you losing players from Chicago that you never really got to begin with, so be it. I have a lot of questions about Lick but that's not one of them. Like I said I'd rather have a coach who is honest and at least trying to implement his system and vision than be held hostage by some clowns in Chicago who never really sent us players.

Oh I agree with the dislike of Chicago. It is a very corrupt system they have in place there. I think Lick has also been hurt by the high school talent in Iowa being down. Besides Gatens and Barnes there just hasn't been the players that the state normally produces.

[Andy]

I hope Brey makes a play for Seth Curry. He tends to have good luck getting transfers if he wants them (Dan Miller, Dennis Latimore, Hansbrough, Martin).

[hawkeyecub]

Yeah at this point I think Iowa needs to go after Seth Curry and Marcus Jordan hard. Granted, neither are obviously great players or they would have/have had better options.

 

Curry played in a terrible conference but his numbers are still impressive and Jordan looked pretty good to me (at least offensively) in the state tournament. If nothing else we need something to get people a tiny bit excited.

[Flames24Rulz]

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

 

I loved Tony as a player but he wanted it to be the Tony show. He wanted to do his own thing, not stay within the offense or help younger guys. They told him he needed to buy in and work within the system or his playing time would drop. He took his ball and went home.

 

I like the first part of that statement. SIU's biggest problem this year was that no one wanted to step up and be 'the guy.' Sounds like Freeman has the attitude where he wants the ball in his hands, and that's actually what I like to hear. The helping of the younger guys concerns me, but it'll be two years since he last played a game at Iowa when he steps on the court next year for us. I'm hoping he's matured a little since then and from all accounts that I've seen and heard from him, he has.

[bcl412]

The main problem I think Lick had was running off Tony Freeman. You can't do that to a Chicago kid. Especially one from a program with a great coach like Ping. It probably ensured that Lick will never, ever get another recruit out of Chicago. The Jake Kelly thing I think is just awful luck. I mean really what could Lick do to stop that situation from happening. If he could prevent death the last thing he would be doing is coaching college basketball.

 

I loved Tony as a player but he wanted it to be the Tony show. He wanted to do his own thing, not stay within the offense or help younger guys. They told him he needed to buy in and work within the system or his playing time would drop. He took his ball and went home.

 

I like the first part of that statement. SIU's biggest problem this year was that no one wanted to step up and be 'the guy.' Sounds like Freeman has the attitude where he wants the ball in his hands, and that's actually what I like to hear. The helping of the younger guys concerns me, but it'll be two years since he last played a game at Iowa when he steps on the court next year for us. I'm hoping he's matured a little since then and from all accounts that I've seen and heard from him, he has.

 

He'll be a really good player for SIU. He's never been afraid to step up and take the big shot. Even as a freshman he would try to do it (unfortunately, at the time, he didn't make it.). I hope he succeeds there and SIU vs Indiana State games are going to be exciting for me as they will feature Freeman vs Jake Kelly.

 

I'll probably watch that game with ice cream and kleenex and it will involve a lot of crying.