Re: Time to accept Edmonds?

[TruffleShuffle]

i really don't get it, but the crow sure is tasty

[Magnetic Curses]

love me some jim edmonds.

 

If these trends continue, I'm never going to stop buying you beer next game you come to.

 

haha.

[Birdinal5]

I don't see why you guys wouldn't accept him. He was a really fun player to root for in STL and his outfield performance was always fantastic. Say what you want about him trying to make routine plays looks dazzling, he makes the catches and entertains the crowd, isn't that his job? Plus you guys seem to have accepted Marquis which is working out perfectly for the Birds. :D We'll see what happens when he makes his return to Busch in a Cubs uniform. My bet is he receives a standing ovation his first at-bat. As for this:

 

my goodness, don't you people remember last year when the cardinals hung around despite having a team full of scrubs, only to fall apart late in the season and finish below .500 and 7 games out? same thing's going to happen this year, except they'll probably finish 10+ games out.

 

We will see. Since when are the Cubs (or any other team for that matter) entitled to a division crown? They still have to play the games and prove they are significantly better than the Cardinals and Brewers. They are currently 1-2 in their efforts to beat this team composed of "luck" players and "scrubs".

 

I really don't understand where you get this "scrub" attitude anyway. Just because a player was not a highly-touted prospect doesn't mean he can't be good. Ankiel is obviously a gifted athlete so his success, while surprising, is not impossible. Ludwick was a very higly rated college star who had injuries early in his career which devalued him. The Cards picked him up and allowed him to develop and he has begun to reach his potential. Skip Schumaker and Brian Barton are relatively young talents, since when are player not allowed to develop and begin a career well. Even your Derek Lee had to start somewhere. The fact is that the Cardinals have a fantastic coaching staff from the minors through the majors. Our young players don't get over-exposed wince we have a very strong bench with Miles, Kennedy, Ryan, Barton and Duncan.

 

This team has "hung around" for over 1/2 the season now and can be in position to overcome the Cubs this weekend. I am still pleasantly surprised with their performance, but to claim it is luck and a fluke is just hubris. This will be a fun weekend with great baseball. I hope Edmonds hits 6 home runs in 3 Cubs losses.

[soapy]

I don't see why you guys wouldn't accept him. He was a really fun player to root for in STL and his outfield performance was always fantastic. Say what you want about him trying to make routine plays looks dazzling, he makes the catches and entertains the crowd, isn't that his job? Plus you guys seem to have accepted Marquis which is working out perfectly for the Birds. :D We'll see what happens when he makes his return to Busch in a Cubs uniform. My bet is he receives a standing ovation his first at-bat.

 

Umm....not really.

As for this:

my goodness, don't you people remember last year when the cardinals hung around despite having a team full of scrubs, only to fall apart late in the season and finish below .500 and 7 games out? same thing's going to happen this year, except they'll probably finish 10+ games out.

 

We will see. Since when are the Cubs (or any other team for that matter) entitled to a division crown? They still have to play the games and prove they are significantly better than the Cardinals and Brewers. They are currently 1-2 in their efforts to beat this team composed of "luck" players and "scrubs".

 

I really don't understand where you get this "scrub" attitude anyway. Just because a player was not a highly-touted prospect doesn't mean he can't be good. Ankiel is obviously a gifted athlete so his success, while surprising, is not impossible. Ludwick was a very higly rated college star who had injuries early in his career which devalued him. The Cards picked him up and allowed him to develop and he has begun to reach his potential. Skip Schumaker and Brian Barton are relatively young talents, since when are player not allowed to develop and begin a career well. Even your Derek Lee had to start somewhere. The fact is that the Cardinals have a fantastic coaching staff from the minors through the majors. Our young players don't get over-exposed wince we have a very strong bench with Miles, Kennedy, Ryan, Barton and Duncan.

 

This team has "hung around" for over 1/2 the season now and can be in position to overcome the Cubs this weekend. I am still pleasantly surprised with their performance, but to claim it is luck and a fluke is just hubris. This will be a fun weekend with great baseball. I hope Edmonds hits 6 home runs in 3 Cubs losses.

welcome to the forum.

[nolanwood]

I don't see why you guys wouldn't accept him. He was a really fun player to root for in STL and his outfield performance was always fantastic. Say what you want about him trying to make routine plays looks dazzling, he makes the catches and entertains the crowd, isn't that his job? Plus you guys seem to have accepted Marquis which is working out perfectly for the Birds. :D We'll see what happens when he makes his return to Busch in a Cubs uniform. My bet is he receives a standing ovation his first at-bat.

 

1. Who has accepted Marquis? Quite the contrary, actually. Personally, I'd prefer we ate the rest of his contract and dumped him.

 

2. I'm sure Edmonds will received a standing ovation this weekend because Cardinal fans are the best fans in the baseball!! =D> :scratch:

[wekse]

if edmonds hits 6 hr's this weekend there is no way the cubs lose all 3 games....hell, they probably win all 3 if that's the case.

[Birdinal5]

2. I'm sure Edmonds will received a standing ovation this weekend because Cardinal fans are the best fans in the baseball!!

Your words, not mine; but thanks for the compliment.

 

if edmonds hits 6 hr's this weekend there is no way the cubs lose all 3 games....hell, they probably win all 3 if that's the case.

Probably, but what I was trying to say that even though he is a Cub I still want to see personal success for Jimmy Ballgame, just so long as it doesn't help his team. :lol:

 

I wasn't sure whether you guys liked Marquis or not, ergo the uncertain word "seems." I didn't like him as a Cardinal, he often seemed emotionless even when he was getting torn apart which is something I can't tolerate as a fan. I don't necessarily want a guy to wear his emotions on his sleeve, but like Troy Glaus said, "If you don't get upset when you strike out whats the point? Why put all the work in?"

 

 

Thanks for the welcome to the forum.

[nolanwood]

2. I'm sure Edmonds will received a standing ovation this weekend because Cardinal fans are the best fans in the baseball!!

Your words, not mine; but thanks for the compliment.

 

That comment was soaked with sarcasm... :eek:

 

I live in STL, and I can tell you firsthand that there's very few Cardinal fans around that have anything nice to say about Edmonds - have you forgotten how your relationship ended on a sour note?

[Birdinal5]

2. I'm sure Edmonds will received a standing ovation this weekend because Cardinal fans are the best fans in the baseball!!

Your words, not mine; but thanks for the compliment.

 

That comment was soaked with sarcasm... :eek:

 

I live in STL, and I can tell you firsthand that there's very few Cardinal fans around that have anything nice to say about Edmonds - have you forgotten how your relationship ended on a sour note?

No, but I also haven't forgotten everything he did for the franchise. Including restructuring his contract multiple times to accomodate resigning Pujols and other FA's. It was sour, but I think ultimately the decision worked out for both parties. The Cardinals felt that it was Ankiel's time regardless of whether Jim could still play or not (and you have you admit his performance had declined in the last few years) and Jim still wanted to start. Overall his time is STL was much more good than bad and I think a lot of fans will remember that when they see 15 back at Busch. If they don't then they are a paying too much attention to the uniform and last 2 years.

[nolanwood]

2. I'm sure Edmonds will received a standing ovation this weekend because Cardinal fans are the best fans in the baseball!!

Your words, not mine; but thanks for the compliment.

 

That comment was soaked with sarcasm... :eek:

 

I live in STL, and I can tell you firsthand that there's very few Cardinal fans around that have anything nice to say about Edmonds - have you forgotten how your relationship ended on a sour note?

 

No, but I also haven't forgotten everything he did for the franchise. Including restructuring his contract multiple times to accomodate resigning Pujols and other FA's. It was sour, but I think ultimately the decision worked out for both parties. The Cardinals felt that it was Ankiel's time regardless of whether Jim could still play or not (and you have you admit his performance had declined in the last few years) and Jim still wanted to start. Overall his time is STL was much more good than bad and I think a lot of fans will remember that when they see 15 back at Busch. If they don't then they are a paying too much attention to the uniform and last 2 years.

 

He'll get a standing ovation because Cardinal fans "think" that's the right thing to do, especially 'cause they're such a classy organization.

 

The consensus here in STL was that they should've never signed him to that last contract - and his performance during that period further fueled their anger. They may remember for a quick applause what he brought them, but they'll quickly forget when he aids us in beating up on his old teamates!

[Birdinal5]

I've said why Cards fans should applaud him and I don't think that my reasons are just for show. You keep trying to bait me with the classy organization stereotype, I really don't understand it. Just because some Cards fans are quick to point out that our fans are indeed very observant and respectful doesn't mean that every display of "class" is done simply to keep the reputation in tact. I'm gonna put this little guy in here as my last point. :stickman:

[nolanwood]

I've said why Cards fans should applaud him and I don't think that my reasons are just for show. You keep trying to bait me with the classy organization stereotype, I really don't understand it. Just because some Cards fans are quick to point out that our fans are indeed very observant and respectful doesn't mean that every display of "class" is done simply to keep the reputation in tact. I'm gonna put this little guy in here as my last point. :stickman:

 

 

I've been to 19 MLB ballparks, and I've attended hundreds of games in STL in my lifetime. Your fans are no more respectful or observant than the majority of the other fans out there. It becomes obnoxious when they are quick to acknowledge how observant and respectful they think they are...

Edited July 3, 2008 by nolanwood

[jersey cubs fan]

I've said why Cards fans should applaud him and I don't think that my reasons are just for show. You keep trying to bait me with the classy organization stereotype, I really don't understand it. Just because some Cards fans are quick to point out that our fans are indeed very observant and respectful doesn't mean that every display of "class" is done simply to keep the reputation in tact. I'm gonna put this little guy in here as my last point. :stickman:

 

I love Cardinals fans.

[CubinNY]

I've said why Cards fans should applaud him and I don't think that my reasons are just for show. You keep trying to bait me with the classy organization stereotype, I really don't understand it. Just because some Cards fans are quick to point out that our fans are indeed very observant and respectful doesn't mean that every display of "class" is done simply to keep the reputation in tact. I'm gonna put this little guy in here as my last point. :stickman:

 

I love Cardinals fans.

They're ever so humble. I guess that's why they're TBFIB.

[inari]

I've said why Cards fans should applaud him and I don't think that my reasons are just for show. You keep trying to bait me with the classy organization stereotype, I really don't understand it. Just because some Cards fans are quick to point out that our fans are indeed very observant and respectful doesn't mean that every display of "class" is done simply to keep the reputation in tact. I'm gonna put this little guy in here as my last point. :stickman:

 

I love Cardinals fans.

They're ever so humble. I guess that's why they're TBFIB.

 

I know I've heard a joke somewhere about the best fan to get a Cardinals fan is one with an imprint of a hand on the backside.

[Faceman]

Can we get to the important part of the discussion?

 

How on earth did the Cubs get Edmonds to stop showboating, pausing to watch his homers, etc? Did Zambrano kick the crap out of him, whip him with his belt?

 

Or, did the Cubs fans who have long hated Edmonds, just realize that maybe, just maybe, he's not the primadonna they made him out to be?

 

I guess there is a third option - that they are hypocrites and have become Jimmy fans like they did Rodman in 1996.

[Bote McBoteface]

So...you want us to hate him so that we don't risk being hypocrites?

[Bull]

Can we get to the important part of the discussion?

 

How on earth did the Cubs get Edmonds to stop showboating, pausing to watch his homers, etc? Did Zambrano kick the crap out of him, whip him with his belt?

 

Or, did the Cubs fans who have long hated Edmonds, just realize that maybe, just maybe, he's not the primadonna they made him out to be?

 

I guess there is a third option - that they are hypocrites and have become Jimmy fans like they did Rodman in 1996.

 

Nope, there's a fourth option. He got a HUGE dose of humility in San Diego.

[CubinNY]

Can we get to the important part of the discussion?

 

How on earth did the Cubs get Edmonds to stop showboating, pausing to watch his homers, etc? Did Zambrano kick the crap out of him, whip him with his belt?

 

Or, did the Cubs fans who have long hated Edmonds, just realize that maybe, just maybe, he's not the primadonna they made him out to be?

 

I guess there is a third option - that they are hypocrites and have become Jimmy fans like they did Rodman in 1996.

A-Clown,

 

He still showboats, he still watches his home runs, and he's probably still a primadonna. The only difference is that Edmonds now plays for the Cubs.

 

BTW, Rodman never played for the Cubs.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Nah, Edmonds has probably just toned it down in his old age. (That could be option number 4.)

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Can we get to the important part of the discussion?

 

How on earth did the Cubs get Edmonds to stop showboating, pausing to watch his homers, etc? Did Zambrano kick the crap out of him, whip him with his belt?

 

Or, did the Cubs fans who have long hated Edmonds, just realize that maybe, just maybe, he's not the primadonna they made him out to be?

 

I guess there is a third option - that they are hypocrites and have become Jimmy fans like they did Rodman in 1996.

A-Clown,

 

He still showboats, he still watches his home runs, and he's probably still a primadonna. The only difference is that Edmonds now plays for the Cubs.

 

BTW, Rodman never played for the Cubs.

 

wait no i like this option because its the one that's true.

[Faceman]

So...you want us to hate him so that we don't risk being hypocrites?

 

I really don't know what I want. All I know is that it would be easier to stomach if he was sucking.

 

Personally, I still really like Jim, and don't hate the Cubs. If I had had my run with the Cards, I'd enjoy playing CF in Wrigley. I can't deny that.

 

But seeing him succeed against the Cards, after all those years the Cub fans hated him, well I'm disoriented I guess.

[rocket]

are you kidding? edmonds still stares at his homers. it just seemed like he stared longer as a cardinal because we all hated him then.

[Jon]

are you kidding? edmonds still stares at his homers. it just seemed like he stared longer as a cardinal because we all hated him then.

There have been some where he puts his head down right away, but overall, I'd say he does stare at them quite a bit.

[TruffleShuffle]

i still don't understand why he gets any pitches on the outer half of the plate.