Re: Gallardo (Brewers fan here)

[crewfanlurker]

*Puts on flame suit*

 

As my name indicates I am a brewer fan, and usually content myself to just lurking on your board. But the recent series and resulting message board shenanigans have convinced me its time to post. Not to stir things up further but just to attempt to have (semi) cordial conversations with a rival (most would consider brewers/cubs to be the likely 1-2 in the central). Nobody likes the cards...

 

As for Gallardo: consider this a replacement thread as there is plenty to discuss:

 

-How will this affect the cubs as Gallardo is arguably the most important part of the brewers rotation (depending on if you consider another sheets injury a forgone conclusion or not).

 

-Did Yost leaving him in there further the injury?

 

-Even if it did not, why leave him in?

 

-Will it require surgery? (I haven't heard)

 

Replacement options? (Dave Bush for now...potential trades?)

 

 

and a non-Gallardo question:

 

How should opposing teams fans handle themselves on the board?

 

I'd say opposing teams fans SHOULD walk on eggshells a bit...its a cubs forum and even as members we're guests. That probably requires a thick skin at times and an even keel. But I also think unprovoked hostility (if it occurs) is a bit ridiculous...a different perspective is a good thing.

[Laura]

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[vance_the_cubs_fan]

*Puts on flame suit*

 

As my name indicates I am a brewer fan, and usually content myself to just lurking on your board. But the recent series and resulting message board shenanigans have convinced me its time to post. Not to stir things up further but just to attempt to have (semi) cordial conversations with a rival (most would consider brewers/cubs to be the likely 1-2 in the central). Nobody likes the cards...

 

Let me take a stab at a few of these.

 

As for Gallardo: consider this a replacement thread as there is plenty to discuss:

 

-How will this affect the cubs as Gallardo is arguably the most important part of the brewers rotation (depending on if you consider another sheets injury a forgone conclusion or not).

 

I think the loss of Gallardo is a big blow to the Brewers. The step down to Bush will be huge. Does it wipe them out? No. But it might mean the Brewers will have to use some trading chips (Gamel, LaPorta) to go after a starter. They already need to add to the pen, so it just makes an additional need on the team.

 

-Did Yost leaving him in there further the injury?

 

-Even if it did not, why leave him in?

 

Yost is an idiot. I think that's clear. I don't know if the injury worsened or anything. I'm not a doctor, but I liken this situation to when Dusty left Prior in the game after the collision with Giles in 2003. It was stupid. When something like that happens, it's best to get the player out and assess the situation.

 

-Will it require surgery? (I haven't heard)

 

If it's a torn ACL as I've heard, surgery is the only way those things get fixed.

 

Replacement options? (Dave Bush for now...potential trades?)

 

Bush. I forsee a trade. Harden might be a possibility. Beane probably would want LaPorta or Gamel and then some. Millwood could be another if the Brewers can afford the contract.

 

and a non-Gallardo question:

 

How should opposing teams fans handle themselves on the board?

 

I'd say opposing teams fans SHOULD walk on eggshells a bit...its a cubs forum and even as members we're guests. That probably requires a thick skin at times and an even keel. But I also think unprovoked hostility (if it occurs) is a bit ridiculous...a different perspective is a good thing.

 

I think you have a good idea. Bumping an anti-Brewer thread after a loss though is probably pouring salt in the wound and will likely not win you over. Also, I think a lot depends on how long you've been here. We might allow a little more gloating from someone who has been here through thick and thin.

 

But if someone sticks a pick of Braun in their sig as soon as he wins the game and then makes some of the comments I've seen today, then he/she isn't going to be treated too kindly....at least not by me.

[cheapseats]

Torn ACL = out for the year.

[crewfanlurker]

Thanks Vance.

 

I agree it will be a huge blow. I don't think they'll make any moves right away just because I don't see anybody willing to deal this early in the season. Probably try to tread water until midseason and try to make a move. Or if everything falls apart and the brewers are pretty far out just forget about it. Although I try to remember that the Brewers did have a decent start without him (hovering a few over .500).

 

Regarding starting this thread after such a heartbreaking loss for the cubs...you lost the game we lost our #2 pitcher. I don't think anybody is thrilled.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Oh and the only reason I brought up the 'how long will he miss' question is this from the original report:

 

"No decision will be made on surgery until the swelling subsides in Gallardo's knee. But he in all likelihood will miss most if not all the rest of the season, a severe blow to the Brewers' chances in 2008."

 

-I agree that if its as bad as they think he's done for the year. But maybe the kid's got Reggie White like healing powers? Wishful thinking I know.

Edited May 3, 2008 by crewfanlurker

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Thanks Vance.

 

I agree it will be a huge blow. I don't think they'll make any moves right away just because I don't see anybody willing to deal this early in the season. Probably try to tread water until midseason and try to make a move. Or if everything falls apart and the brewers are pretty far out just forget about it. Although I try to remember that the Brewers did have a decent start without him (hovering a few over .500).

 

Regarding starting this thread after such a heartbreaking loss for the cubs...you lost the game we lost our #2 pitcher. I don't think anybody is thrilled.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I wasn't referring to your starting this thread right after a loss. There was some other posts earlier in the day that caused some angry responses that I was thinking of. So far, nothing wrong with your first post.

[crewfanlurker]

Thanks Vance.

 

I agree it will be a huge blow. I don't think they'll make any moves right away just because I don't see anybody willing to deal this early in the season. Probably try to tread water until midseason and try to make a move. Or if everything falls apart and the brewers are pretty far out just forget about it. Although I try to remember that the Brewers did have a decent start without him (hovering a few over .500).

 

Regarding starting this thread after such a heartbreaking loss for the cubs...you lost the game we lost our #2 pitcher. I don't think anybody is thrilled.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I wasn't referring to your starting this thread right after a loss. There was some other posts earlier in the day that caused some angry responses that I was thinking of. So far, nothing wrong with your first post.

 

Roger that. I actually tried to join when all that was starting...I don't know what I thought I could do but there was too much posting without thinking going on and I wanted to say so. But with it taking a day or so to register, I just got to watch both threads go up in flames.

 

I'm out for now. Consider my intrusion of your home turf over for the time being.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Thanks Vance.

 

I agree it will be a huge blow. I don't think they'll make any moves right away just because I don't see anybody willing to deal this early in the season. Probably try to tread water until midseason and try to make a move. Or if everything falls apart and the brewers are pretty far out just forget about it. Although I try to remember that the Brewers did have a decent start without him (hovering a few over .500).

 

Regarding starting this thread after such a heartbreaking loss for the cubs...you lost the game we lost our #2 pitcher. I don't think anybody is thrilled.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I wasn't referring to your starting this thread right after a loss. There was some other posts earlier in the day that caused some angry responses that I was thinking of. So far, nothing wrong with your first post.

 

Roger that. I actually tried to join when all that was starting...I don't know what I thought I could do but there was too much posting without thinking going on and I wanted to say so. But with it taking a day or so to register, I just got to watch both threads go up in flames.

 

I'm out for now. Consider my intrusion of your home turf over for the time being.

 

Feel free to stay and join the discussions.

[SouthSideRyan]

You'll see that we have no problems with other fans that act like yourself. Wolf Stansson is a Cards fan who's been around here forever. There were a few other Cards fans who used to hang around more often, not much anymore. Ender's a Brew fan who's been around for about a year. Jake's a Pirates fan, there's a Yankees fan, etc.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The doctors supposedly claim that keeping him in after the collision didnt hurt him, but after finally seeing the play with my own eyes, that man had no buisness staying in the game.

[UMFan83]

-How will this affect the cubs as Gallardo is arguably the most important part of the brewers rotation (depending on if you consider another sheets injury a forgone conclusion or not). Well the Cubs have their own pitching problems to worry about. Certainly helps to not have your best pitching in there. Could be bad for the Cubs in the long run if the Brewers stay in the race and mange to swing a trade for an AJ Burnett or a Rich Harden or someone.

 

-Did Yost leaving him in there further the injury? No, I think it's already been said it wasn't the cause

 

-Even if it did not, why leave him in? Ned Yost

 

-Will it require surgery? (I haven't heard) I think so, its a complete tear

 

Replacement options? (Dave Bush for now...potential trades?) Jeff Weaver? Also the names I said before.

 

 

and a non-Gallardo question:

 

How should opposing teams fans handle themselves on the board? Respectful, not steping on any toes or engaging in any sort of trolling activity. This is a Cubs board, and it is frequented by Cubs fans, to discuss Cubs baseball. I don't mind if you have a differing opinion on issues, but if you do stuff like openly root for your team here (i.e. during Cubs/Brewers game, saying "CMON BREWERZZZ!" in the game thread) you are not welcome.

[imb]

we (by we I mean the human race) lost kanye's mom in a tragic surgery accident months ago, just have to hope the same sort of thing doesnt happen here

[UK1679666180]

*Puts on flame suit*

 

-Did Yost leaving him in there further the injury?

 

-Even if it did not, why leave him in?

 

-Will it require surgery? (I haven't heard)

 

Replacement options? (Dave Bush for now...potential trades?)

 

 

and a non-Gallardo question:

 

How should opposing teams fans handle themselves on the board?

 

 

1)No, it was torn and couldn't tear anymore.

 

2)Gallardo prob. said he was ok, as much blame as Yost is getting, how about the trainer?

 

3)Wait till the swelling goes down to be 100% sure, but it'll prob. require surgury.

 

4)Not sure of replacement options, too early in the year to say who is in and who is out.

 

5)Act in a respectful manner and if someone acts like a jackass towards you, turn the other cheek and let the mods handle it.

[SouthSideRyan]

He couldn't tear it any further but playing full speed on it coulda done damage to his knee, his quad, lots of stuff.

[XZero771679666304]

He couldn't tear it any further but playing full speed on it coulda done damage to his knee, his quad, lots of stuff.

 

I could hardly believe Gallardo was left in the game. Knowing what I know now, I don't think it made much of a difference, but since they didn't know anything at the time, it was still really, really stupid.

 

The replays looked ugly, he was obviously in pain, and it's still early in the season. You can't let a player's tough guy act override your common sense.

[Vanilla Ice]

I think it would be kind of funny, if Sheets gets hurt. Then the Brewers trade LaPorta to the A's for Harden who pitches amazing for tour starts then also hurts himself.

[C.C.]

I think it would be kind of funny, if Sheets gets hurt. Then the Brewers trade LaPorta to the A's for Harden who pitches amazing for tour starts then also hurts himself.

 

It's only a matter of time...

[javy knows my name]

I think it would be kind of funny, if Sheets gets hurt. Then the Brewers trade LaPorta to the A's for Harden who pitches amazing for tour starts then also hurts himself.

I was thinking this as well. I'm still kind of incredulous that Brewers fans still consider Sheets their #1. Accidents waiting to happen should be re-evaluated a bit and the best starter with at least a chance of staying healthy should be considered as such.

[C.C.]

I think it would be kind of funny, if Sheets gets hurt. Then the Brewers trade LaPorta to the A's for Harden who pitches amazing for tour starts then also hurts himself.

I was thinking this as well. I'm still kind of incredulous that Brewers fans still consider Sheets their #1. Accidents waiting to happen should be re-evaluated a bit and the best starter with at least a chance of staying healthy should be considered as such.

 

 

We did the same with Prior/Wood. We just prayed that one of them would hold up for a year. I don't miss that feeling.

[anabiono]

i was personally hoping we could swing a deal for burnett at the deadline, i would be absolutely pissed off if the brewers got him

[razzzorsharp]

I am not a rash guy. I am also a guy that gives people the benefit of the doubt 99% of the time. This is the exception though as I think the trainer (Roger Capplinger I believe) should be reprimanded or fired for how this all went down. His job is to prevent injuries and he failed, plain and simple. There is not excuse for having him give the green light for him to go back out there.

[nilodnayr]

Is he officially out for the season? Everything I've seen is that hes "likely" out for the season.

[TruffleShuffle]

just kinda thinking/asking out loud here, but doesn't the ACL most impact lateral movement? a pitcher doesn't have a lot of side-to-side motion. would it be possible for gallardo to pitch with a torn ACL while wearing a knee brace?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

just kinda thinking/asking out loud here, but doesn't the ACL most impact lateral movement? a pitcher doesn't have a lot of side-to-side motion. would it be possible for gallardo to pitch with a torn ACL while wearing a knee brace?

 

 

If he did that, it would be inviting hitters to bunt and force him to go off the mound. I doubt his knee could take much of that if the ACL is completely torn, even with a brace.

[dew1679666265]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this, since there are only so many Brewer threads we can take here.

 

Anyway, I wonder how Ned Yost makes such dumb decisions after coaching under Bobby Cox for years. Seems like some kind of intelligent baseball knowledge would have leaked off Cox and onto Yost.