Re: Cuban's chances getting better than we thought?

[KingCubsFan]

Can anyone shed some light on the supposed Cuban/Reinsdorf imbroglio?

 

I know Reinsdorf voted against Cuban's purchase of the Mavs but is it totally a matter of Reinsdorf not wanting "meddlesome kids" screwing up his good ol' boy network?

 

I know this probably won't be a popular opinion around here but I never had a problem with Reinsdorf until the Cuban issue came up. I at least had a little bit of respect with how he dealt with Michael and Phil on non-Krause related issues.

 

And if Cuban offers a significant premium over the other potential buyers he should get the team. If they block him he should sue, sue, sue.

 

He can't sue over that, it's not an open auction. It's a private, non-regulated club, Zell can sell to whoever he wants.

1. Cuban's ability to sue in this situation has nothing to do with whether the Cubs are a "private, non-regulated" club

2. Doesn't MLB require approval before a club is sold?

[C.C.]

Can anyone shed some light on the supposed Cuban/Reinsdorf imbroglio?

 

I know Reinsdorf voted against Cuban's purchase of the Mavs but is it totally a matter of Reinsdorf not wanting "meddlesome kids" screwing up his good ol' boy network?

 

I know this probably won't be a popular opinion around here but I never had a problem with Reinsdorf until the Cuban issue came up. I at least had a little bit of respect with how he dealt with Michael and Phil on non-Krause related issues.

 

And if Cuban offers a significant premium over the other potential buyers he should get the team. If they block him he should sue, sue, sue.

 

He can't sue over that, it's not an open auction. It's a private, non-regulated club, Zell can sell to whoever he wants.

1. Cuban's ability to sue in this situation has nothing to do with whether the Cubs are a "private, non-regulated" club

2. Doesn't MLB require approval before a club is sold?

 

 

I'm almost positive he needs a majority approval from the other owners.

[Soul]

Can anyone shed some light on the supposed Cuban/Reinsdorf imbroglio?

 

I know Reinsdorf voted against Cuban's purchase of the Mavs but is it totally a matter of Reinsdorf not wanting "meddlesome kids" screwing up his good ol' boy network?

 

I know this probably won't be a popular opinion around here but I never had a problem with Reinsdorf until the Cuban issue came up. I at least had a little bit of respect with how he dealt with Michael and Phil on non-Krause related issues.

 

And if Cuban offers a significant premium over the other potential buyers he should get the team. If they block him he should sue, sue, sue.

 

He can't sue over that, it's not an open auction. It's a private, non-regulated club, Zell can sell to whoever he wants.

 

And you should hate Reinsdorf for lots of reasons, #1 being the '94 strike. He definitely has an interest in keeping a charismatic owner taking over the Cubs and making them even more popular in this city than they already are. Reinsdorf is pure evil.

 

Zell doesn't own the Tribune or the Cubs.

 

He's chariman and CEO. If we want to argue semantics of ownership that's fine, but Zell is the primary player like it or not.

[CubFanPhilly]

GreatBanc is the party that's like to sue if Cuban's bid is snubbed. They're the Trustee on behalf of the Trust that owns the Tribune. The Tribune's creditors are also potential parties to a suit.

 

I suspect that MLB's ant-trust exemption makes winning any lawsuit diffult, but if it turns out that Cuban's bid is substantially higher than Canning's, I'd be surprised if there wasn't litigation.

[CubFanPhilly]

He's chariman and CEO. If we want to argue semantics of ownership that's fine, but Zell is the primary player like it or not.

 

It's much more than semantics in this case. MLB hosing Zell is one thing. Hosing the 19,000 employees of the Tribune is quite another.

[Soul]

He's chariman and CEO. If we want to argue semantics of ownership that's fine, but Zell is the primary player like it or not.

 

It's much more than semantics in this case. MLB hosing Zell is one thing. Hosing the 19,000 employees of the Tribune is quite another.

 

I'm assuming what is good for Zell is good for the shareholders in this case. Both would want the best price for their stock, no?

[CubFanPhilly]

He's chariman and CEO. If we want to argue semantics of ownership that's fine, but Zell is the primary player like it or not.

 

It's much more than semantics in this case. MLB hosing Zell is one thing. Hosing the 19,000 employees of the Tribune is quite another.

 

I'm assuming what is good for Zell is good for the shareholders in this case. Both would want the best price for their stock, no?

 

I agree. Which is why I think MLB is in a tough spot if it denies a significantly higher bid from Cuban. The ownership complicates the situation for MLB in favor of Cuban's bid, particularly when many of those shareholders have a direct voice in the media.

 

Imagine the political fallout if we find out that Cuban bid $1 bil. and MLB accepted Canning's bid for $700 mil.?

[RammyFanny]

Forgive me if this has already been covered, but do we know the timetable for when the bids come in and we find out who won? Please tell me it's within the next couple months.

[Soul]

He's chariman and CEO. If we want to argue semantics of ownership that's fine, but Zell is the primary player like it or not.

 

It's much more than semantics in this case. MLB hosing Zell is one thing. Hosing the 19,000 employees of the Tribune is quite another.

 

I'm assuming what is good for Zell is good for the shareholders in this case. Both would want the best price for their stock, no?

 

I agree. Which is why I think MLB is in a tough spot if it denies a significantly higher bid from Cuban. The ownership complicates the situation for MLB in favor of Cuban's bid, particularly when many of those shareholders have a direct voice in the media.

 

Imagine the political fallout if we find out that Cuban bid $1 bil. and MLB accepted Canning's bid for $700 mil.?

 

Significant fallout. Especially given the tone Zell is using when speaking with Tribune employees:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/sam-zell-chicago-tribune,1,6025237.column

 

He's talking about the very survival of the business. I would think both Zell & the shareholders would take the idea of a cut in price for their most prized asset very, very harshly. Especially since, let's face it, we're talking about satisfying the vanity & ego of other MLB owners here. If I'm in control, I'm going crazy over the idea of losing millions of dollars because some idiot owner of a MLB team doesn't want to deal with a person who isn't part of their little "boys club."

[Jehrico]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

[Outshined_One]

Forgive me if this has already been covered, but do we know the timetable for when the bids come in and we find out who won? Please tell me it's within the next couple months.

 

Right now, the Cubs are currently getting their books in order. In the near future, the prospective bidders will get access to those books. As simple as that sounds, that involves a ton of paperwork. Moreover, those bidders have to bring in their own experts (accountants, consultants, etc.) to go over those books in order to properly value the team. Once they get that done, the bidders can set a price on the team.

 

When Cuban was in the booth a few days ago, he mentioned the Cubs did not give him access to those yet. I'm guessing the Cubs are still going over everything with a fine-toothed comb before handing them off to the bidders. There are some particularly nasty potential lawsuits out there if the Cubs gave out bad information to the bidders.

 

Timetable-wise, this summer should be relatively quiet, since everyone's accountants, attorneys, and various other experts will be busy with rooms full of paperwork. Also, the bidders still have to pull together financing for this acquisition, which will take some time and effort given the recent credit crunch. The wild card is whether the Cubs have told bidders not to move on anything until the World Series is over, given that MLB is not all too happy with announcements and news that could trump anything coming out of that. If the bidders are free to offer bids at their leisure, I'm guessing we'll see the bids entered throughout September/October with a decision coming in November. MLB will probably approve the sale shortly thereafter. If not, I'm guessing we'll see something final come January.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Short of trading for A-Rod, is there enough talent available in an offseason for that sort of jump?

 

Apparently you haven't seen next offseason's free agent list. It's starting pitcher city.

 

Really? Who's available aside from Sabathia and Burnett? Sheets is, but I wouldn't want the Cubs getting involved with such an injury risk.

[nilodnayr]

Can anyone shed some light on the supposed Cuban/Reinsdorf imbroglio?

 

I know Reinsdorf voted against Cuban's purchase of the Mavs but is it totally a matter of Reinsdorf not wanting "meddlesome kids" screwing up his good ol' boy network?

 

I know this probably won't be a popular opinion around here but I never had a problem with Reinsdorf until the Cuban issue came up. I at least had a little bit of respect with how he dealt with Michael and Phil on non-Krause related issues.

 

And if Cuban offers a significant premium over the other potential buyers he should get the team. If they block him he should sue, sue, sue.

 

Isn't Sam Zell and Reinsdorf good friends? I'd think he'd have some kind of pull in convincing Reinsdorf...

 

It definitely is an interesting string of friends...Zell is part owner of the Sox with Reinsdorf, Reinsdorf is buddies with Selig and Selig is buddies with Canning.

 

Also, a 650M payment is due Dec 4th, so I'm guessing that is going to be a significant date.

[EhDubya]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

 

I don't see a problem with the original statement??

[Andy]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

 

I don't see a problem with the original statement??

Jehrico's a soldier. He can and should have a problem with that statement.

[nilodnayr]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

 

I don't see a problem with the original statement??

Jehrico's a soldier. He can and should have a problem with that statement.

 

So that means Jehrico shouldn't be angry at rapist soldiers?

[sethuel1]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

 

I don't see a problem with the original statement??

Jehrico's a soldier. He can and should have a problem with that statement.

 

So that means Jehrico shouldn't be angry at rapist soldiers?

He should be angrier that there are people who point out that there are rapist soldiers, apparently.

[inari]

Are we seriously getting mad at Mark Cuban for exposing that not everyone in the US military is an angel?

[SouthSideRyan]

Can anyone shed some light on the supposed Cuban/Reinsdorf imbroglio?

 

I know Reinsdorf voted against Cuban's purchase of the Mavs but is it totally a matter of Reinsdorf not wanting "meddlesome kids" screwing up his good ol' boy network?

 

I know this probably won't be a popular opinion around here but I never had a problem with Reinsdorf until the Cuban issue came up. I at least had a little bit of respect with how he dealt with Michael and Phil on non-Krause related issues.

 

And if Cuban offers a significant premium over the other potential buyers he should get the team. If they block him he should sue, sue, sue.

 

He can't sue over that, it's not an open auction. It's a private, non-regulated club, Zell can sell to whoever he wants.

1. Cuban's ability to sue in this situation has nothing to do with whether the Cubs are a "private, non-regulated" club

2. Doesn't MLB require approval before a club is sold?

 

I was talking about MLB when I said "private, non-regulated club"

[Careless]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

 

I don't see a problem with the original statement??

Jehrico's a soldier. He can and should have a problem with that statement.

 

So that means Jehrico shouldn't be angry at rapist soldiers?

Jehrico wasn't a victim of the rape. He is a victim of the movie. Most people don't have enough energy to be angry at every bad thing everyone on earth does, so we stick to things that affect us and those close to us most of the time.

 

But tell me, nilodnayr, just how angry are you at Robert Garrison? Feel free to vent. Of course, since you've never heard of this particular rapist until now, the answer is that you probably didn't feel any anger towards him at all.

 

Since your statement was a Non sequitur to begin with (it's about degrees of anger/caring, not absolute existence of them), I'm not sure why I bothered.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Are we seriously getting mad at Mark Cuban for exposing that not everyone in the US military is an angel?

 

Apparently... I guess "my country, right or wrong" still lives strongly... I support our troops as much as anyone, but..... And it has nothing to do w/ Cuban being the owner of the Cubs

[nilodnayr]

Maybe you should be angrier at the rapist soldiers than the men who made a movie about the rapist soldiers. Maybe you are, I don't know.

You're a pathetic idiot.

 

I don't see a problem with the original statement??

Jehrico's a soldier. He can and should have a problem with that statement.

 

So that means Jehrico shouldn't be angry at rapist soldiers?

Jehrico wasn't a victim of the rape. He is a victim of the movie. Most people don't have enough energy to be angry at every bad thing everyone on earth does, so we stick to things that affect us and those close to us most of the time.

 

But tell me, nilodnayr, just how angry are you at Robert Garrison? Feel free to vent. Of course, since you've never heard of this particular rapist until now, the answer is that you probably didn't feel any anger towards him at all.

 

Since your statement was a Non sequitur to begin with (it's about degrees of anger/caring, not absolute existence of them), I'm not sure why I bothered.

 

I'm glad Jericho isn't a victim of rape, thanks for clarifying that. How exactly is he a victim of the movie? Is he wrongly accused of committing a crime in the movie?

 

I'm not angry at anyone at all. I'm not sure where you gleaned that from this thread. So, I guess this dude was a rapist. La dee freakin da, hes a terrible person. That doesn't mean that I think all soldiers are terrible people. Anyone who does take that away from the movie...well, my advice would be to not give a crap what those people think because they are obviously idiots.

 

I'm not sure why you bothered either especially when there isn't a cogent argument made, but whatever. This started with Jericho not wanting Cuban to own the cubs because he doesn't have respect for him because he financed a movie about a soldier who raped someone. My point is that I don't care what political beliefs Cuban holds as long as it has nothing to do with him owning the Cubs.

 

Then that evolved into who is to be angry at for Redacted...Cuban or Robert Garrison. Evidently, there is a debate there. :roll: I must be missing something.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've decided to be angry at anyone who makes a movie that shows an educator preying on children. See, even though those are despicable people, we teachers have to stick together. We can't let anyone think that a teacher would cause a student harm.

[Derwood]

does Jehrico know someone in the film or something? this seems to be hitting close to home for him

[Andy]

I've decided to be angry at anyone who makes a movie that shows an educator preying on children. See, even though those are despicable people, we teachers have to stick together. We can't let anyone think that a teacher would cause a student harm.

That is a hideous comparison. I don't remember anyone ever painting educators with a broad brush like some people do the military.