Re: Where's Meph? (Khalil Greene)

[bcl412]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

[CoolHandLuke]

When you take the ballparks out of the equation, I would say that Michael Young and Khalil Greene offer pretty similar overall value as hitters. When you add in Greene's defense, and the fact that he is younger, I think he is more valuable than Young.

 

If anything, Greene is better when you consider ballpark. Young's never done anything away from Arlington.

 

I agree, I was just being nice. Michael Young, to me, is one of the most over-rated players in baseball.

[shnsajax]

Okay, I don't think this memo was sent to everyone: OPS >>>>>>>>>> AVG

who is arguing against that?

 

LLF was ignoring it.

 

Green has a career OPS of .747. Not so great. Would he do better in Wrigley. Certainly. Enough to make it worth while? Maybe. The point is, until it happens, this will remain speculation.

 

Thats every trade rumor in the history of sports.

[shnsajax]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

 

Junior in college going back for his senior season. Drafted in the 14th round by the Cubs. If I am not mistaken there were signability issues before the draft and slid down some cause of that. However he also destroyed all of his numbers his senior season and really shot up the draft.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Okay, I don't think this memo was sent to everyone: OPS >>>>>>>>>> AVG

who is arguing against that?

 

LLF was ignoring it.

 

Green has a career OPS of .747. Not so great. Would he do better in Wrigley. Certainly. Enough to make it worth while? Maybe. The point is, until it happens, this will remain speculation.

 

Thats every trade rumor in the history of sports.

 

Not exactly. Im debating whether Green would perform better in Wrigley than Petco. Not whether or not Green is going to be traded in genral.

[bcl412]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

 

Junior in college going back for his senior season. Drafted in the 14th round by the Cubs. If I am not mistaken there were signability issues before the draft and slid down some cause of that. However he also destroyed all of his numbers his senior season and really shot up the draft.

 

Thanks, I just remember a couple years ago I looked in an issue of Vineline from 2001 and it covered the draft and every player the Cubs picked and I saw Greene and immediately I shook my head and laughed.

[JimSorgi]

Okay, I don't think this memo was sent to everyone: OPS >>>>>>>>>> AVG

who is arguing against that?

 

LLF was ignoring it.

 

Green has a career OPS of .747. Not so great. Would he do better in Wrigley. Certainly. Enough to make it worth while? Maybe. The point is, until it happens, this will remain speculation.

 

Thats every trade rumor in the history of sports.

 

Not exactly. Im debating whether Green would perform better in Wrigley than Petco.

 

#-o

[shnsajax]

Okay, I don't think this memo was sent to everyone: OPS >>>>>>>>>> AVG

who is arguing against that?

 

LLF was ignoring it.

 

Green has a career OPS of .747. Not so great. Would he do better in Wrigley. Certainly. Enough to make it worth while? Maybe. The point is, until it happens, this will remain speculation.

 

Thats every trade rumor in the history of sports.

 

Not exactly. Im debating whether Green would perform better in Wrigley than Petco.

 

#-o

 

Gotcha :)

[RedFlash]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

 

The same reason why the Cubs didn't sign Tim Lincecum.

[bcl412]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

 

The same reason why the Cubs didn't sign Tim Lincecum.

 

They drafted him too? Why did you tell me that? I am now on suicide watch

[shnsajax]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

 

The same reason why the Cubs didn't sign Tim Lincecum.

 

They drafted him too? Why did you tell me that? I am now on suicide watch

 

The same reason the Yankees didn't sign Mark Prior. This list can go on and on, its not just the Cubs every team has lots of guys like this.

[bcl412]

Why didn't the Cubs sign Greene when he was drafted? Was he in high school and decided to play in college?

 

The same reason why the Cubs didn't sign Tim Lincecum.

 

They drafted him too? Why did you tell me that? I am now on suicide watch

 

The same reason the Yankees didn't sign Mark Prior. This list can go on and on, its not just the Cubs every team has lots of guys like this.

 

That's true. When you put things in perspective it really ruins my overreactions.

[Post Count Padder]

Do it

 

Now

 

Throw in Fontenot and convince the Pads he can play SS.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

When you take the ballparks out of the equation, I would say that Michael Young and Khalil Greene offer pretty similar overall value as hitters. When you add in Greene's defense, and the fact that he is younger, I think he is more valuable than Young.

 

If anything, Greene is better when you consider ballpark. Young's never done anything away from Arlington.

 

And Young really is a secondbaseman playing SS. It's equivalent to us putting DeRosa there.

[wrigley23]

The Cub win streak this year all but proved that OBP & getting the starter run are the keys to offensive baseball. Now you want to plug soriano back at the top & bring in a similar strikeout artist in Greene just for good measure. Their joint OBP would dilute any patience Fuko & others provide.

[cubfan]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

 

Tulowitzki plays in Coors 81 times, he hit .256/.327/.393/.719 away from home.

home games don't count anymore? i guess i havent been keeping up with all these rule changes. damn that bud selig.

 

Garrett Atkins also had a .254/.327/.446 road line too, which seems to indicate this guy blows as well. until you look at his road OPS in 2006 and notice it's virtually the same as his home OPS. but Tulowitzki only has one season of data which to look at and we can all think he's an inferior player to Khalil Greene because of a split which is really often fluky. everything I've seen when watching both players suggests differently.

 

Just to be sure, you are using Greens numbers to start the season as proof he is not worth trading for and then saying that we can't read to much into Tulowitzki's first season splits due to small sample size?

[Sammy Sofa]

Okay, I don't think this memo was sent to everyone: OPS >>>>>>>>>> AVG

who is arguing against that?

 

LLF was ignoring it.

 

Green has a career OPS of .747. Not so great. Would he do better in Wrigley. Certainly. Enough to make it worth while? Maybe. The point is, until it happens, this will remain speculation.

 

His away OPS is .839.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cub win streak this year all but proved that OBP & getting the starter run are the keys to offensive baseball. Now you want to plug soriano back at the top & bring in a similar strikeout artist in Greene just for good measure. Their joint OBP would dilute any patience Fuko & others provide.

 

Stop harping on strikeouts as if they're somehow worse than other outs. It makes little difference how someone gets out unless they're always hitting into double plays...an out is an out.

 

Secondly, your final sentence makes absolutely no sense. How will Greene and Soriano "dilute" the OBP of other hitters? That makes absolutely no sense.

 

Let me ask you, since you have such a boner for OBP and hate strikeouts so much...what do you think of Adam Dunn? Does he make your head implode?

[mcgoobs]

Why Pie and not Murton?

 

If this is true, hopefully Hendry is doing his best to convince San Diego that Murton is the correct outfielder to trade for Greene instead of Pie. Given age and the Cubs general patience regarding each player's development it would be better for the team to keep Pie.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why Pie and not Murton?

 

Probably because the Padres aren't stupid.

[weis21]

Why Pie and not Murton?

 

If this is true, hopefully Hendry is doing his best to convince San Diego that Murton is the correct outfielder to trade for Greene instead of Pie. Given age and the Cubs general patience regarding each player's development it would be better for the team to keep Pie.

 

Contrary to popular belief, most GMs are not complete morons. You can't just "convince" them that someone is a great player if they are not. Pie has the potential to be a very good CF and Murton has the potential, at best, to be a slightly better than average corner OF. I will grant you that there have been some bonehead moves by GMs in the past history, but you can't really just count on convincing another GM most of the time. I cross my fingers that you are somehow right, but I have a feeling if Pie is excluded, it will be something like: Marmol, Cedeno, Gallagher, etc. to get it done.

[squally1313]

CAUTION: Small sample size alert

 

In 15 games last year in National League Central ballparks (66 PA):

 

300/318/583, for a nice little 901 OPS, with 4 HR.

 

I'm just saying....

[Hosak8]

CAUTION: Small sample size alert

 

In 15 games last year in National League Central ballparks (66 PA):

 

300/318/583, for a nice little 901 OPS, with 4 HR.

 

I'm just saying....

 

CAUTION: Small sample size alert...

 

Career at Wrigley Field:

 

.200/.259/.400 for an OPS of .659

 

I'm just saying...

Edited April 30, 2008 by Hosak8

[Hosak8]

April OPS last 4 years...

 

2007: .829

2006: .712

2005: .666

2004: .824

 

What does it all mean? Maybe nothing (without knowing the parks he played in during each April, it's pretty tough to truly compare), but he's off to his slowest start by far as a major leaguer.

[Sammy Sofa]

CAUTION: Small sample size alert

 

In 15 games last year in National League Central ballparks (66 PA):

 

300/318/583, for a nice little 901 OPS, with 4 HR.

 

I'm just saying....

 

CAUTION: Small (though not quite as small)

 

56 PA?