Trade proposals anyone?

[RedFlash]

I know he has a no trade clause but right now, a Soriano for Lincecum trade would make me very happy.

 

I wonder if we can get the Astros to bite on a Carlos Lee for Soriano? :-k

[rchap24]

I'd love Penny, Lowe, Cain, or Linnecum or however you spell it, but Burnett is way to injury risky for me. I think we'd need to give up alot for any of them though espically the Giant young guys.

[CubmanPi]

IMO, Lincecum is among the most promising and fun to watch pitchers in the NL, and the Giants' lack of chance at legitimacy is the only reason he isn't a bigger story than he is. He will be making BIG BIG money when he is eligible, and will lead whatever rotation he's part of for the better chunk of his career.

 

EDIT - Forgot the trade proposal part of the post, which is to get fully behind the Sori for Lincecum trade, straight up. Cubs should even throw in a decent amount of cash. They could trade Marquis for Lincecum straight up too, but not even Hendry is dumb enough to make that one.

[CubmanPi]

On an only-slightly-more-serious note, as a result of my first time watching BBTN in a year or two, apparently Roy Oswalt is talking about waving his NTC if it meant playing for a competitive team ... ........

[Jehrico]

On an only-slightly-more-serious note, as a result of my first time watching BBTN in a year or two, apparently Roy Oswalt is talking about waving his NTC if it meant playing for a competitive team ... ........

Wow... :shock:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I agree that the one move I'd consider making is for another starting pitcher. An injury to someone in the line-up could change that, however.

 

Burnett is probably the top pitcher that could be had. I'd take a long look at Harden as well. Depending on what happens with the Dodgers, Penny and Lowe might find themselves on the block.

 

The only problem with acquiring a starter is that the Cubs would have to unload one to make room. Marquis is still owed a nice chunk of change, and he'd be the likely one bumped. That being said, if the club is close to the playoffs, I can see us making the move, even if it means eating 7-8 million of Marquis's money.

 

I really like the idea of Cain or Lincecum, but I think it would be a huge cost to get one of those players.

 

A big gun that might be just the ticket could be Sabathia if the Indians continue to underperform. I have no doubt that if Cleveland is out of the race in July, they will look to move him.

[DivineBovine]

I just can't understand why Lincecum is even mentioned in trade talks. Sabean is not so stupid as to part with a young pitcher with Cy Young potential. It's not like he's about to become a free agent. And it's not like the Giants=the Marlins. The Giants are rebuilding and he's the type of player you'd want to rebuild around, not the type of player you'd trade in order to rebuild. And if I were Sabean, I'd want more than Soriano for him.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

I'm in agreement with what's been said thus far, if I would try to upgrade at all-- I'd concentrate on pitching. Here's how I would rate my top five:

 

1) Lincecum

 

2) Sabathia

 

3) Oswalt

 

4) Penny

 

5) Burnett

[brinoch]

If we got Lincecum, I would die of happiness. That said, the Giants would be looking for sure bet hitting prospects, and unless Pie starts hitting in the bigs, the Cubs are lacking in that department.

 

The Giants are exactly the team who needs a quantity of decent position prospects over one quality prospect. Not that I think they would trade Lincecum or Cain, but you might think about offering something like Murton, Patterson, Hoffpauir and Colvin.

[Abe Frohman]

So do you trade Pie and Hill for Oswalt?

[brinoch]

I just can't understand why Lincecum is even mentioned in trade talks. Sabean is not so stupid as to part with a young pitcher with Cy Young potential. It's not like he's about to become a free agent. And it's not like the Giants=the Marlins. The Giants are rebuilding and he's the type of player you'd want to rebuild around, not the type of player you'd trade in order to rebuild. And if I were Sabean, I'd want more than Soriano for him.

 

Normally, you'd be absolutely right. The problem is that Giants are not a normal organization. In short, they have a terrible farm system -- ranked #23 among MLB by Baseball America, and I think that's being generous (the Astros are last and their system is true awful). Of BA's Top 100 prospects, the Giants have 2 on the list (one of whom is a pitcher; the other is 17). Throwing a number of decent prospects at Sabean might very well work. Right now, there are several Cubs minor league and bench players that could start for SF and would be better than the aged drek they are throwing out there right now.

 

A valid rebuilding strategy would be to use one of his chips to acquire decent, cheap talent, freeing them up to go after some free agents as well.

[SouthSideRyan]

So do you trade Pie and Hill for Oswalt?

 

Not if Pie and Hill are where I expect them to be in July.

[NCCubFan]

They could trade Marquis for Lincecum straight up too, but not even Hendry is dumb enough to make that one.

:shock:

You've got to be kidding. I'd trade Marquis straight up for Lincecum any day and twice on Sundays, and I'm sure Hendry would too.

[Outshined_One]

They could trade Marquis for Lincecum straight up too, but not even Hendry is dumb enough to make that one.

:shock:

You've got to be kidding. I'd trade Marquis straight up for Lincecum any day and twice on Sundays, and I'm sure Hendry would too.

 

I think he was suggesting that from the perspective of Hendry being the Giants' hypothetical GM.

[Dallas Green]

With the way this team has been hitting, I think pitching would be the way to go in a trade. Outside of Marmol and Wood, the bullpen is a little bit too streaky for my tastes. Moreover, while Zambrano has done an excellent job thus far this season, Dempster, Lilly, Hill, and Marquis have us all holding our collective breath. If Hill and Lilly can get back on track and Dempster can maintain his success, then we'll be fine. As for Marquis...well, yeah.

 

Maybe Joe Blanton?

 

Cubs like Blanton. Maybe near the deadline. I would also like a good loogy.

[Dallas Green]

Dodgers go deep in the tank.

 

Dodgers trade Brad Penny to the Cubs.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to either Penny or Lowe.

or Billingsley or Kershaw :D

 

WTF do people suggest young players back when this team will be playing add-on?

[NCCubFan]

They could trade Marquis for Lincecum straight up too, but not even Hendry is dumb enough to make that one.

:shock:

You've got to be kidding. I'd trade Marquis straight up for Lincecum any day and twice on Sundays, and I'm sure Hendry would too.

 

I think he was suggesting that from the perspective of Hendry being the Giants' hypothetical GM.

Ah. I was interpreting it as Hendry being the Cubs' actual GM. What you said makes more sense given the context of the post.

[RedFlash]

With the way this team has been hitting, I think pitching would be the way to go in a trade. Outside of Marmol and Wood, the bullpen is a little bit too streaky for my tastes. Moreover, while Zambrano has done an excellent job thus far this season, Dempster, Lilly, Hill, and Marquis have us all holding our collective breath. If Hill and Lilly can get back on track and Dempster can maintain his success, then we'll be fine. As for Marquis...well, yeah.

 

Maybe Joe Blanton?

 

Cubs like Blanton. Maybe near the deadline. I would also like a good loogy.

 

Marte of the Cubs AAA affiliate the Pittsburgh Pirates, should be available for call up. :D

[muntjack]

I think we're all in agreement this team needs a 1-b type pitcher. Someone good enough to start the 1st or 2nd game of a postseason series. .

 

 

Joe Blanton just isn't that guy for me. His career #s away form Oakland are scary, including but not limited to a .292 BAA and a 4.70 ERA.

 

 

If Lincecum WERE available (and he should be, really) the Cubs might have an angle to shoot. We're in the unusual position of having quite a few expendable assets that would be instant (& young/ cheap) upgrades in S.F.

 

Assume they are okay with their OF of Winn, Rowand and Lewis.

 

They have no need of a 3B with Villalona coming.

 

SS is a gaping black hole. Babcock and Burriss should not be ML starters. No one in the system in sight. They would probably start Simokaitis if we dealt him, lol, so Theriot would be a massive upgrade even after he cools off.

 

At 2B they have Ray Durham (who is OPSing <.700 again), with Nick Noonan still a few years away. EPatt would fit perfectly here. Starting occasionally until Durham proves that he is done.

 

Rich Aurilia is the worst hitter in the major leagues. How do you SLG .179? His backup is Dan Ortmeier. In AAA there is Die Hard. Here we can't help them as much, but Hoffpauir is certainly better than any option they have at the moment.

 

Molina is producing, and we really don't have anything to offer at C, anyhow.

 

The closer is Brian Wilson, who is not good. Marmol is top-flight closer material. That would be an enormous upgrade.

 

To "replace" Lincecum we could offer Gallagher, Marshall or perhaps Ceda.

 

Hmm so we've got EPatt, Theriot, Hoffpauir, Marmol, Gallagher and Marshall/Ceda. Looking at it, this would really all hinge on what Sabean thought of Gallagher. Is he capable of being the centerpiece of a package like this? The fairly big 2nd chip in Marmol and the quantity of upgrades help, I think.

 

Perhaps we could take back a contract like Dave Roberts?

 

In the end, what I think we'd have to do is grab a good SP prospect in a deal for Murton and swing him to S.F. in an augmented version of this deal.

[Tracer Bullet]

On an only-slightly-more-serious note, as a result of my first time watching BBTN in a year or two, apparently Roy Oswalt is talking about waving his NTC if it meant playing for a competitive team ... ........

Wow... :shock:

 

I heard this too. Not sure the Astros would ever deal him to Chicago, but the report was he's happy in Houston but above all wants to win. He'd waive his NTC for a trade to a contender. Of course, ESPN immediately said the Yankees would be happy to hear that news...

 

But what can we offer the Astros for Oswalt? Colvin and the Seans? Realistic trade proposals aren't really my thing, but I hope Hendry is inquiring after Roy.

[Backtobanks]

Burnett (if healthy) seems like the most obvious target since there's a good chance the Jays will be out of it by July. The question is whether they would take prospects.

Oswalt would be fantastic, but I can't see the Astros dealing him to the Cubs.

To get Lincecum, the Cubs would really have to overwhelm the Giants, but they do have the prospects to offer.

I don't think Penny or Lowe will be available because the Dodgers will be contending in the West.

To me Blanton isn't a sure solid #2 or #3 starter and the cost of dealing with Beane would be prohibitive.

 

Dan Plesac (Comcast sports) suggested that the Cubs might have the solid starter they need sitting in their bullpen........Jon Lieber. I certainly would turn to Lieber over getting fleeced by Beane for Blanton.

[CubmanPi]

They could trade Marquis for Lincecum straight up too, but not even Hendry is dumb enough to make that one.

:shock:

You've got to be kidding. I'd trade Marquis straight up for Lincecum any day and twice on Sundays, and I'm sure Hendry would too.

 

I think he was suggesting that from the perspective of Hendry being the Giants' hypothetical GM.

Ah. I was interpreting it as Hendry being the Cubs' actual GM. What you said makes more sense given the context of the post.

Nah, I just make it a point to say as few things seriously as possible. However you interpret it, I am well aware of the disparity in quality between the two pitchers.

[Dallas Green]

I would give the farm for Oswalt, no way Astros trade him within div though :(

[CubinNY]

I would give the farm for Oswalt, no way Astros trade him within div though :(

Oswalt is done. He can't break 90.

[Clem Fandango]

I would give the farm for Oswalt, no way Astros trade him within div though :(

Oswalt is done. He can't break 90.

 

He definitely seems like he's on the downswing of his career, not the power pitcher he once was. Still good? Yeah, but not as good as he used to be, and he's only getting worse as the years roll on, and with that contract I wouldn't give up top young players for him