How bad is Corey going to manhandle us this week?

[Brian]

You know it's coming. I'm going to go 10-12, 3HR, 7 SB.

 

 

 

 

Bako will have at least one game winning hit.

[sneakypower]

he's only had 2 strikeouts all year

[BigbadB]

You know it's coming. I'm going to go 10-12, 3HR, 7 SB.

 

 

 

 

Bako will have at least one game winning hit.

 

7 SB's? Geovany Soto disagrees.

[Post Count Padder]

Bako's been playing way over his head.

[reds44]

If Patterson puts up those numbers, the Cubs are in trouble because he'll only play in 2 games (and that's not even with knowing who goes for the Cubs Thursday, so it could be 1 game). Edited April 14, 2008 by reds44

[Roast]

Bako's been playing way over his head.

The fact that he's still playing is over his head.

[imb]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

[BigbadB]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

It's not fluky power. He's always had power. The ability to put bat to ball has been Corey's problem.

[rocket]

If Patterson puts up those numbers, the Cubs are in trouble because he'll only play in 2 games (and that's not even with knowing who goes for the Cubs Thursday, so it could be 1 game).

 

he's gotta sit corey against the tough lefty lilly

[imb]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

It's not fluky power. He's always had power. The ability to put bat to ball has been Corey's problem.

 

Thanks for the scouting report. You think he's going to hit 54 homeruns this year? It's a fluke, even with all the extra contact, he's hitting seven points less than last year and his OBP is the same.

[reds44]

If Patterson puts up those numbers, the Cubs are in trouble because he'll only play in 2 games (and that's not even with knowing who goes for the Cubs Thursday, so it could be 1 game).

 

he's gotta sit corey against the tough lefty lilly

Lilly is pitching Thursday? That means he's only going to play in 1 game.

 

If he gets 12 ABs in one games, hits 3 homers, and steals 7 bases, that will be impressive.

[TruffleShuffle]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (K in 24.5% of PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (K in 24.5% of PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (K in 18.9% of PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (K in 12.9% of PA)

[imb]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

[rocket]

If Patterson puts up those numbers, the Cubs are in trouble because he'll only play in 2 games (and that's not even with knowing who goes for the Cubs Thursday, so it could be 1 game).

 

he's gotta sit corey against the tough lefty lilly

Lilly is pitching Thursday? That means he's only going to play in 1 game.

 

If he gets 12 ABs in one games, hits 3 homers, and steals 7 bases, that will be impressive.

 

why won't he play against dempster or z?

[Andy]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (K in 24.5% of PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (K in 24.5% of PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (K in 18.9% of PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (K in 12.9% of PA)

Holy crap, 168. That's absolutely insane.

[reds44]

If Patterson puts up those numbers, the Cubs are in trouble because he'll only play in 2 games (and that's not even with knowing who goes for the Cubs Thursday, so it could be 1 game).

 

he's gotta sit corey against the tough lefty lilly

Lilly is pitching Thursday? That means he's only going to play in 1 game.

 

If he gets 12 ABs in one games, hits 3 homers, and steals 7 bases, that will be impressive.

 

why won't he play against dempster or z?

Oh I thought Hill was pitching Wed. and Lilly Thursday?

 

Okay nevermind. He'll play two games.

[TruffleShuffle]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

[Outshined_One]

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much I agree with the idea that a player with a high K rate has a lower chance of getting on base than a player with a low K rate. When you think of guys who K at monstrous rates like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, then compare them to the Juan Pierres of the world, that sort of data tends to run counter to the idea that strikeouts hinder your ability to get on base more than some other factor.

[TruffleShuffle]

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much I agree with the idea that a player with a high K rate has a lower chance of getting on base than a player with a low K rate. When you think of guys who K at monstrous rates like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, then compare them to the Juan Pierres of the world, that sort of data tends to run counter to the idea that strikeouts hinder your ability to get on base more than some other factor.

 

no, i was just saying that if a guy strikes out a certain number of times, then manages to halve that rate while keeping all other things the same, he'll get on base more. but, that requires that all other things are the same, and i don't know if that is necessarily the case.

[imb]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Not necessarily, see Juan Pierre. Sometimes you can sacrifice Ks for contact and you just end up hitting 4-3s all day, which is what it looks like has happened to Corey.

 

The Cubs always wanted to make him a slap hitter and it looks like that's what he's turned into. Not surprisingly, the end result is the same, if not worse.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think he'll strike out twice a game and refuse at least a half a dozen autograph requests. And the whole time it will be clear by the look on his face that he just doesn't care.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

he'll bite the head off a live baby

[SouthSideRyan]

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much I agree with the idea that a player with a high K rate has a lower chance of getting on base than a player with a low K rate. When you think of guys who K at monstrous rates like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, then compare them to the Juan Pierres of the world, that sort of data tends to run counter to the idea that strikeouts hinder your ability to get on base more than some other factor.

 

no, i was just saying that if a guy strikes out a certain number of times, then manages to halve that rate while keeping all other things the same, he'll get on base more. but, that requires that all other things are the same, and i don't know if that is necessarily the case.

 

When you dramatically lower your K rate, all other other things are never going to stay the same. Corey wasn't/isn't K-ing as much because he's slapping more.

[reds44]

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much I agree with the idea that a player with a high K rate has a lower chance of getting on base than a player with a low K rate. When you think of guys who K at monstrous rates like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, then compare them to the Juan Pierres of the world, that sort of data tends to run counter to the idea that strikeouts hinder your ability to get on base more than some other factor.

 

no, i was just saying that if a guy strikes out a certain number of times, then manages to halve that rate while keeping all other things the same, he'll get on base more. but, that requires that all other things are the same, and i don't know if that is necessarily the case.

 

When you dramatically lower your K rate, all other other things are never going to stay the same. Corey wasn't/isn't K-ing as much because he's slapping more.

Definatley haven't seen that. The thing I have noticed more now than his time with the Cubs is he has been getting ahead in the count a lot more.

[Yeti]

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much I agree with the idea that a player with a high K rate has a lower chance of getting on base than a player with a low K rate. When you think of guys who K at monstrous rates like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, then compare them to the Juan Pierres of the world, that sort of data tends to run counter to the idea that strikeouts hinder your ability to get on base more than some other factor.

 

no, i was just saying that if a guy strikes out a certain number of times, then manages to halve that rate while keeping all other things the same, he'll get on base more. but, that requires that all other things are the same, and i don't know if that is necessarily the case.

 

When you dramatically lower your K rate, all other other things are never going to stay the same. Corey wasn't/isn't K-ing as much because he's slapping more.

Definatley haven't seen that. The thing I have noticed more now than his time with the Cubs is he has been getting ahead in the count a lot more.

screams his .304 obp