Official Theriot appreciation thread

[wvcbxl]

This thread is a great example of why you should NEVER try to talk with Cubs fans after a loss.

 

This board would be extremely dull about half the time if that were the case.

[Tracer Bullet]

White Theriot = gritty, hard-working

 

Latino Neifi = lazy, makes stupid mistakes

 

You of all people on this board should not be making something I say into a racial argument.

 

And I know for a fact from your wishing bad things on him last year that you don't like Neifi one bit.

 

Que?

 

He's my roommate and I would hope by now he knows I'm not a racist. I would think he was joking but even joking on that topic I don't like. Also a large majority of you guys wouldn't know he's joking.

 

Ok.

 

Now can you explain what made Neifi lazy and stupid when he was here? He was bad at baseball, but I don't remember him being lazy or particularly stupid.

[CuseCubFan69]

As the great Dennis Green once proclaimed, "We know who Theriot was". Theriot is exactly the player he has always been and I can't blame him for the Cubs not improving the SS situation. Either bat him 8th, don't start him or send him down/trade him but I see no reason to dislike the guy because he's the starting SS. Imo, blame the people in charge.

[Wheelimus]

I'm really disappointed with the behavior in this thread.

 

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I completely agree with the original post -- I really appreciate Theriot as a ballplayer. I like him quite a bit. I'm glad he's on the roster.

 

That said...

 

I'd demote him, bring up EPatt, move DeRosa to SS and put EPatt at 2B and leadoff.

 

Glad I'm not the only one that wound up feeling sick to their stomach after reading this thread...

 

Neither of our options are any good. We're fighting over two players who both are likely to have an OPS between .600 and .700. It's like we're fighting over whether we should drive the Chevette or the Gremlin. Every way we're driving crap.

 

I'd do the same things you guys would. Theriot to bench, Fontenot to minors, Patterson up and playing 2nd, DeRosa to short. But it just isn't going to happen. Lou can't even figure out that no matter who is playing between Ronny and Ryan they should be hitting 8th.

 

If we're stuck with Ryan Theriot as our shortstop for the foreseeable future then we need to get behind him. The fact is we're all talking out our asses when we make predictions in regard to both Theriot and Cedeno. Mine as well get behind the guy who has the job.

[WilcoFan]

If we're stuck with Ryan Theriot as our shortstop for the foreseeable future then we need to get behind him. The fact is we're all talking out our asses when we make predictions in regard to both Theriot and Cedeno. Mine as well get behind the guy who has the job.

 

I guess you don't understand the rules for some people here. Its simple:

 

1. Ryan Theriot is the worst player to ever put on a Cubs uniform (since last year's scapegoat is no longer on the team)

2. Each loss will be, more than any other single player, blamed on him.

3. ANYTHING good he ever does is negated by the fact that he's the worst player on the team and therefore even those good moments cannot be appreciated or commented positively upon (even if the person appreciating those moments states that he knows, on the whole, Theriot isn't good-that's still not good enough. He must be hated at all times.).

4. If you dare attempt to state anything positive about said scapegoat, you are a racist and a Hawk Harrelson wannabe.

5. Therefore, it is okay to attack personally anyone who has even a modicum of sympathy for his position or his efforts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE: This description does NOT apply to everyone. Just the people who felt the need to personally attack the person who dared to have a contradictory opinion.

[WarningtrackPower]

If we're stuck with Ryan Theriot as our shortstop for the foreseeable future then we need to get behind him. The fact is we're all talking out our asses when we make predictions in regard to both Theriot and Cedeno. Mine as well get behind the guy who has the job.

 

I guess you don't understand the rules for some people here. Its simple:

 

1. Ryan Theriot is the worst player to ever put on a Cubs uniform (since last year's scapegoat is no longer on the team)

2. Each loss will be, more than any other single player, blamed on him.

3. ANYTHING good he ever does is negated by the fact that he's the worst player on the team and therefore even those good moments cannot be appreciated or commented positively upon (even if the person appreciating those moments states that he knows, on the whole, Theriot isn't good-that's still not good enough. He must be hated at all times.).

4. If you dare attempt to state anything positive about said scapegoat, you are a racist and a Hawk Harrelson wannabe.

5. Therefore, it is okay to attack personally anyone who has even a modicum of sympathy for his position or his efforts.

 

6. Oh, and by the way, Brian Roberts is God

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE: This description does NOT apply to everyone. Just the people who felt the need to personally attack the person who dared to have a contradictory opinion.

 

 

Fixed.

[CubbieBum]

White Theriot = gritty, hard-working

 

Latino Neifi = lazy, makes stupid mistakes

 

You of all people on this board should not be making something I say into a racial argument.

 

And I know for a fact from your wishing bad things on him last year that you don't like Neifi one bit.

 

Que?

 

He's my roommate and I would hope by now he knows I'm not a racist. I would think he was joking but even joking on that topic I don't like. Also a large majority of you guys wouldn't know he's joking.

 

Ok.

 

Now can you explain what made Neifi lazy and stupid when he was here? He was bad at baseball, but I don't remember him being lazy or particularly stupid.

 

I remember him putting on weight in his last stint and complaining about crap. I don't remember specific examples, it's been too long. I don't think there is a clear cut obvious example I just remember when he was on the team complaining about him not giving full effort if he was pouting about playing time.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I guess you don't understand the rules for some people here. Its simple:

 

1. Ryan Theriot is the worst player to ever put on a Cubs uniform (since last year's scapegoat is no longer on the team)

2. Each loss will be, more than any other single player, blamed on him.

3. ANYTHING good he ever does is negated by the fact that he's the worst player on the team and therefore even those good moments cannot be appreciated or commented positively upon (even if the person appreciating those moments states that he knows, on the whole, Theriot isn't good-that's still not good enough. He must be hated at all times.).

4. If you dare attempt to state anything positive about said scapegoat, you are a racist and a Hawk Harrelson wannabe.

5. Therefore, it is okay to attack personally anyone who has even a modicum of sympathy for his position or his efforts.

Ryan Theriot is not good enough to be a starting SS for a contending MLB team. There really isn't much else that can be said about that -- he is who he is. I don't think anyone here dislikes him personally or thinks he's the worst player to ever don a Cubs jersey, and that assertion is just plain asinine. If he does happen to do something good, most rational people see it for what it is -- that even a broken watch is right twice a day. You're allowed to appreciate anyone you like, and as long as Ryan Theriot wears a Cubs jersey, I wish him nothing but great success. The reality is that those successes are likely to be few and far between, and I like to be grounded in reality. It's foolish to assert that he's our best option for the position, and it's even more foolish to make a numbered list with inaccuracies and hyperbole.

[jersey cubs fan]

White Theriot = gritty, hard-working

 

Latino Neifi = lazy, makes stupid mistakes

 

You of all people on this board should not be making something I say into a racial argument.

 

And I know for a fact from your wishing bad things on him last year that you don't like Neifi one bit.

 

Que?

 

He's my roommate and I would hope by now he knows I'm not a racist. I would think he was joking but even joking on that topic I don't like. Also a large majority of you guys wouldn't know he's joking.

 

Ok.

 

Now can you explain what made Neifi lazy and stupid when he was here? He was bad at baseball, but I don't remember him being lazy or particularly stupid.

 

I remember him putting on weight in his last stint and complaining about crap. I don't remember specific examples, it's been too long. I don't think there is a clear cut obvious example I just remember when he was on the team complaining about him not giving full effort if he was pouting about playing time.

 

I don't remember that. I do remember he sucked though. I'd take Theriot over him, but I Theriot isn't any good either and really needs to be replaced.

[ConstableRabbit]

Neifi also bunted with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth. It might have been runners on 2nd and 3rd. I'd remember, but I was at the game and was so infuriated I didn't know what to do with myself.

[Sammy Sofa]

This thread makes me want to puke and poop my pants in anger and have a heart attack of shame and a stroke of disgust and other righteously disgusting condemnations and stuff and junk and drama.

[BigbadB]

I like Theriot and I also appreciate him. He also has a cool nickname. The blame for him being the regular at SS and batting lead of actually isn't his fault. That blame belongs to Lou and Jim.

 

I'm with Tim on this, except that I would send down Fontenot and keep Theriot as the back up utility guy. Patterson at 2b and DeRosa at SS is exactly what this team needs. And here is the line up I'd run out there:

 

Soriano

Fukudome

Lee

Ramirez

Pie

Soto

Patterson

DeRosa

[Guest]

I like Theriot and I also appreciate him. He also has a cool nickname. The blame for him being the regular at SS and batting lead of actually isn't his fault. That blame belongs to Lou and Jim.

 

I'm with Tim on this, except that I would send down Fontenot and keep Theriot as the back up utility guy. Patterson at 2b and DeRosa at SS is exactly what this team needs. And here is the line up I'd run out there:

 

Soriano

Fukudome

Lee

Ramirez

Pie

Soto

Patterson

DeRosa

Yeah, I forgot about Fontenot (maybe I'm still in denial that he's on the roster). He's the obvious choice to be sent down.

[Guest]

This thread makes me want to puke and poop my pants in anger and have a heart attack of shame and a stroke of disgust and other righteously disgusting condemnations and stuff and junk and drama.

ok - you might think of backing off on this crap and start acting civilized.

[bring stone back]

I like Theriot and I also appreciate him. He also has a cool nickname. The blame for him being the regular at SS and batting lead of actually isn't his fault. That blame belongs to Lou and Jim.

 

I'm with Tim on this, except that I would send down Fontenot and keep Theriot as the back up utility guy. Patterson at 2b and DeRosa at SS is exactly what this team needs. And here is the line up I'd run out there:

 

Soriano

Fukudome

Lee

Ramirez

Pie

Soto

Patterson

DeRosa

 

I would not be opposed to those moves but why Pie so high and DeRosa so low? If you were to flip them I'd be on board.

 

I would not want my #5 hitter to be an offensive liability like Pie who at times will be completely overwhelmed at this level and will struggle to just make contact.

[Sammy Sofa]

I like Theriot and I also appreciate him. He also has a cool nickname. The blame for him being the regular at SS and batting lead of actually isn't his fault. That blame belongs to Lou and Jim.

 

I'm with Tim on this, except that I would send down Fontenot and keep Theriot as the back up utility guy. Patterson at 2b and DeRosa at SS is exactly what this team needs. And here is the line up I'd run out there:

 

Soriano

Fukudome

Lee

Ramirez

Pie

Soto

Patterson

DeRosa

 

I would not be opposed to those moves but why Pie so high and DeRosa so low? If you were to flip them I'd be on board.

 

I would not want my #5 hitter to be an offensive liability like Pie who at times will be completely overwhelmed at this level and will struggle to just make contact.

 

The #5 hitter seems to be an unavoidable hole at this point. Sure, they can bat Fukudome there, but he's much better served at #2 or maybe even #1. DeRosa is in the same boat. Both are decent hitters who can take pitches, but they (likely) don't have the power threat to really shore up #5. Of course, Soriano is ideal hitting 5th, but personally, I'm not confident of him being as valuable as he can be anywhere besides #1.

 

I know it's a broken record and probbly no chance of happening, but man, picking up Greene from SD would so wonderfully solve both the SS and #5 issues. I wonder if a package of Marmol/Cedeno/Gallagher/Murton would have a chance of getting that done by the deadline.

[MustangMike]

For those of us who support The Riot.

 

He's not the best (or close to it) but he's the best we got and we support him because he gives everything he's got every second of every game.

 

 

I like Theriot as well, and if he hits 8th that's fine with me. I don't know why he's the scapegoat right now, I don't see Mr. 136 Million Dollar man with a single hit. I guess its cause he's not leading off? How about our "#2" pitcher giving up 5 runs? I'd like to think about why we lost, and it wasn't all on Theriot, not even close.

[jersey cubs fan]

For those of us who support The Riot.

 

He's not the best (or close to it) but he's the best we got and we support him because he gives everything he's got every second of every game.

 

 

I like Theriot as well, and if he hits 8th that's fine with me. I don't know why he's the scapegoat right now, I don't see Mr. 136 Million Dollar man with a single hit. I guess its cause he's not leading off? How about our "#2" pitcher giving up 5 runs? I'd like to think about why we lost, and it wasn't all on Theriot, not even close.

 

Theriot takes heat because he isn't good, but the GM and manager screwed up by giving him the role he's currently in. Is that fair? Maybe not, but if I went out there and pitched, I would expect people to be really pissed, because I've done nothing to deserve the job and shouldn't be there. It has nothing to do with an 0-2 start. Theriot isn't the scapegoat for the first two games. It's completely dishonest to pretend that's the motivation behind the so-called anti Theriot talk.

 

Most Cubs fans want the Cubs to field the best possible team, and they know Jim Hendry has done a poor job doing that. Ryan Theriot is currently the most glaring example of that failure, and is therefore going to take heat for it. How hard he tries is meaningless. This isn't little league, it's professional baseball with the expectations that come along with people paying to watch professionals.

[MustangMike]

For those of us who support The Riot.

 

He's not the best (or close to it) but he's the best we got and we support him because he gives everything he's got every second of every game.

 

 

I like Theriot as well, and if he hits 8th that's fine with me. I don't know why he's the scapegoat right now, I don't see Mr. 136 Million Dollar man with a single hit. I guess its cause he's not leading off? How about our "#2" pitcher giving up 5 runs? I'd like to think about why we lost, and it wasn't all on Theriot, not even close.

 

Theriot takes heat because he isn't good, but the GM and manager screwed up by giving him the role he's currently in. Is that fair? Maybe not, but if I went out there and pitched, I would expect people to be really pissed, because I've done nothing to deserve the job and shouldn't be there. It has nothing to do with an 0-2 start. Theriot isn't the scapegoat for the first two games. It's completely dishonest to pretend that's the motivation behind the so-called anti Theriot talk.

 

Most Cubs fans want the Cubs to field the best possible team, and they know Jim Hendry has done a poor job doing that. Ryan Theriot is currently the most glaring example of that failure, and is therefore going to take heat for it. How hard he tries is meaningless. This isn't little league, it's professional baseball with the expectations that come along with people paying to watch professionals.

 

So JH not getting another SS to replace Theriot is Theriot's fault? Does everyone believe that Theriot at SS is going to cause the cubs not to win? I don't have the stats in front of me play-off wise, but I remember the big hitters in the line-up were the culprits for our playoff loss.

I don't deem Theriot as equal to Macias or Perez, which it seems like a lot of people do think that. I guess i always like Theriot, so maybe that's why I'm having a hard time with all this hate. I thought people liked him on this board.

Would Cedeno be better, I'd be ok with seeing who does better.

[MustangMike]

For those of us who support The Riot.

 

He's not the best (or close to it) but he's the best we got and we support him because he gives everything he's got every second of every game.

 

 

I like Theriot as well, and if he hits 8th that's fine with me. I don't know why he's the scapegoat right now, I don't see Mr. 136 Million Dollar man with a single hit. I guess its cause he's not leading off? How about our "#2" pitcher giving up 5 runs? I'd like to think about why we lost, and it wasn't all on Theriot, not even close.

 

Theriot takes heat because he isn't good, but the GM and manager screwed up by giving him the role he's currently in. Is that fair? Maybe not, but if I went out there and pitched, I would expect people to be really pissed, because I've done nothing to deserve the job and shouldn't be there. It has nothing to do with an 0-2 start. Theriot isn't the scapegoat for the first two games. It's completely dishonest to pretend that's the motivation behind the so-called anti Theriot talk.

 

Most Cubs fans want the Cubs to field the best possible team, and they know Jim Hendry has done a poor job doing that. Ryan Theriot is currently the most glaring example of that failure, and is therefore going to take heat for it. How hard he tries is meaningless. This isn't little league, it's professional baseball with the expectations that come along with people paying to watch professionals.

 

So JH not getting another SS to replace Theriot is Theriot's fault? Does everyone believe that Theriot at SS is going to cause the cubs not to win? I don't have the stats in front of me play-off wise, but I remember the big hitters in the line-up were the culprits for our playoff loss.

I don't deem Theriot as equal to Macias or Perez, which it seems like a lot of people do think that. I guess i always like Theriot, so maybe that's why I'm having a hard time with all this hate. I thought people liked him on this board.

Would Cedeno be better, I'd be ok with seeing who does better.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't deem Theriot as equal to Macias or Perez, which it seems like a lot of people do think that. I guess i always like Theriot, so maybe that's why I'm having a hard time with all this hate. I thought people liked him on this board.

 

That's the dividing line. I think a lot of us ultimately see him in the same area as guys like Macias or Neifi. From that perspective, it's baffling as to how anyone can "like him" as a baseball player, especially since there's little to seperate them from him, and the charges that they were "lazy" or that they were "stupid" seems nonsensical as if Theriot is some shining example of the opposite type of player. I don't think anyone here actually dislikes the guy as a person, but as a starting player there's mountains of tangible problems to dislike or be frustrated over. No, it's not his fault that he's starting, but that doesn't mean anyone has to appreciate him in that role or the negligble big league skills/talent he brings with him. Nobody is rooting for him to do poorly...it's just terribly unlikely he'll be anything but poor.

[MustangMike]

I don't deem Theriot as equal to Macias or Perez, which it seems like a lot of people do think that. I guess i always like Theriot, so maybe that's why I'm having a hard time with all this hate. I thought people liked him on this board.

 

That's the dividing line. I think a lot of us ultimately see him in the same area as guys like Macias or Neifi. From that perspective, it's baffling as to how anyone can "like him" as a baseball player, especially since there's little to seperate them from him, and the charges that they were "lazy" or that they were "stupid" seems nonsensical as if Theriot is some shining example of the opposite type of player. I don't think anyone here actually dislikes the guy as a person, but as a starting player there's mountains of tangible problems to dislike or be frustrated over. No, it's not his fault that he's starting, but that doesn't mean anyone has to appreciate him in that role or the negligble big league skills/talent he brings with him. Nobody is rooting for him to do poorly...it's just terribly unlikely he'll be anything but poor.

 

Yeah, that does seem to be the dividing line. I don't believe him to be a star, but if he can do the .280 average with some stolen bases and good defense, I'm fine with him on the team. I guess I dont' seem him as a liability like I did for Macias and Perez. I think Cendeno will get his cracks at it as well, but I dont' see other options right now. DeRosa can't play there.

 

I'm more worried about the team as a whole, why is no one hitting? I will agree with one complaint on this board, I'd rather have Riot hit 8th or even 9th. The lineup I'm confused with right now.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

DeRosa can't play there

why not?

[bcl412]

I root for him because he is in there, I want him to surprise us with a good season because Lou is insistent on playing him so I want him to produce. I just don't think he is good so I don't want him playing, but since he is I want him to help the Cubs win.

[WilcoFan]

It's foolish to assert that he's our best option for the position, and it's even more foolish to make a numbered list with inaccuracies and hyperbole.

 

Yet not quite as foolish as missing the point of the post, yet responding to it anyway. HINT: see the caveat at the end of the list. There was an intended audience, and "rational people" were not that intended audience. If people had responded rationally, the indignation would never have happened.