Official Theriot appreciation thread

[CubbieBum]

And a lot of people would be making a really big mistake. RP are extremely important. If your bullpen stinks you will not be in the playoffs. We have a good but not great bullpen and to trade our best guy in that pen (and a lot of other guys who have good trade value) for an above average SS would be a big mistake. Green had an OBP below .300 last year :shock: . Sure he got 27 HR's but a lot of guys who can get away with swinging away every atbat without being benched could get 27 dingers. In the end what he is is a good fielding SS and a frustrating hitter for the team he plays for.

 

Trading Marmol wouldn't make this bullpen stink. The Cubs have the luxury of selling high on a player like Marmol and still having a competitive or better bullpen.

 

Greene's numbers are dragged down by playing half of his season in the cavern that is Petco. Look at his splits. His away OPS was .840 last year. .863 the year before that. Get him out of Petco and into a place like Wrigley and his numbers overall will soar. He's a serious power threat, especially for a SS, and he plays excellent defense at a position where we could use it. Plus, as opposed to Marmol's one inning every other game, he'll play almost every game. If you can use a reliever as a package to get a young, excellent everyday player like Greene, you do it.

 

If it's Marmol for Greene straight up then yes you probably do it but not with all the other guys you listed.

 

I'm embarrassed about this post. Anyone out there still think this would be a good trade?

[Sammy Sofa]

I actually still would like to get Greene, but nowhere near at what I was willing to give up at the time.

[sneakypower]

what a great thread

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The walks need to come back, and quickly. Theriot's not trending in a good direction.

[soapy]

last ten game have been rough for the riot. hopefully it's just a slump.

 

.233/.267/.279

 

ETA: unfortunately, cedeno has come back down to earth as well.

[Jon]

And he's batting just .275/.351/.304 over his last 25 games (114 PAs).

 

But hey, he's only been caught stealing once over that period.

[sneakypower]

so you're cherry picking his worst stretch for production, and he's still getting on base at a .350 clip?

[Sammy Sofa]

so you're cherry picking his worst stretch for production, and he's still getting on base at a .350 clip?

 

Which is fine, but a .650-ish OPS has no place at the top of the order. I'd much rather have Fukudome 1st and DeRosa 2nd while Soriano is out.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Let's try this nesting doll style:

 

Last 7 days: .150/.227/.150/.377

Last 14 days: .233/.267/.279/.546

In June: .288/.333/.322/.655

Last 28 days: .281/.366/.303/.670

Since April: .300/.382/.337/.719

2008 Total: .309/.387/.370/.757

 

Not a good trend to be found.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Theriot is the type of player that is going to wear down without rest. Now would be a good time to get him some, but unfortunately Cedeno is trending just as bad now.

[Tracer Bullet]

Theriot is the type of player that is going to wear down without rest. Now would be a good time to get him some, but unfortunately Cedeno is trending just as bad now.

 

How anyone can identify and analyze trends when a guy plays 2 games a week is beyond me. Cedeno wasn't likely to hit like he did in April where he had a stretch of 10 days or so playing almost every day. But I don't think you can analyze his numbers over the last 2 months where he has to pick splinters out of his butt before each AB and draw any real conclusions.

[Sammy Sofa]

Theriot is the type of player that is going to wear down without rest. Now would be a good time to get him some, but unfortunately Cedeno is trending just as bad now.

 

How anyone can identify and analyze trends when a guy plays 2 games a week is beyond me. Cedeno wasn't likely to hit like he did in April where he had a stretch of 10 days or so playing almost every day. But I don't think you can analyze his numbers over the last 2 months where he has to pick splinters out of his butt before each AB and draw any real conclusions.

 

Agreed. Cedeno was hitting way over his head, but hasn't gotten any consistent playing time since.

[soapy]

so you're cherry picking his worst stretch for production, and he's still getting on base at a .350 clip?

 

cherry picking? people are just pointing out that he's struggling lately and has been getting worse. how is that cherry picking?

 

like i said, hopefully its just a slump.

[sneakypower]

How anyone can identify and analyze trends when a guy plays 2 games a week is beyond me. Cedeno wasn't likely to hit like he did in April where he had a stretch of 10 days or so playing almost every day. But I don't think you can analyze his numbers over the last 2 months where he has to pick splinters out of his butt before each AB and draw any real conclusions.

make no mistake, people were doing that in April overreacting to his hot stretch of hitting

[SouthSideRyan]

How anyone can identify and analyze trends when a guy plays 2 games a week is beyond me. Cedeno wasn't likely to hit like he did in April where he had a stretch of 10 days or so playing almost every day. But I don't think you can analyze his numbers over the last 2 months where he has to pick splinters out of his butt before each AB and draw any real conclusions.

make no mistake, people were doing that in April overreacting to his hot stretch of hitting

 

People were doing that in conjunction with good minor league #s and a vastly improved approach at the plate.

[Tracer Bullet]

How anyone can identify and analyze trends when a guy plays 2 games a week is beyond me. Cedeno wasn't likely to hit like he did in April where he had a stretch of 10 days or so playing almost every day. But I don't think you can analyze his numbers over the last 2 months where he has to pick splinters out of his butt before each AB and draw any real conclusions.

make no mistake, people were doing that in April overreacting to his hot stretch of hitting

 

People saw a guy with an OPS over .900 in each of his last 2 seasons in AAA and were excited that he performed well at the majors (esp with the patience he showed).

 

I'd be surprised if anyone really thought Cedeno was going to OPS 1.000 for long. I know some people were excited that he was performing in the very narrow window he was given - I was one of them. But that's probably b/c some of us thought production in your few opportunities would lead to more opportunities. Didn't turn out that way.