No Surprises:Hatteberg to Start Over Votto

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

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"(The starting first baseman) is whoever's playing that day. Joey Votto has a great upside," Baker said. "But Hatteberg had a great spring. We'll go with matchups. (The seven spot) is an important spot in the lineup. Adam Dunn had an OK spring. Edwin (Encarnacion) struggled."

[inari]

Haha, gotta love it.

[SouthSideRyan]

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"(The starting first baseman) is whoever's playing that day. Joey Votto has a great upside," Baker said. "But Hatteberg had a great spring. We'll go with matchups. (The seven spot) is an important spot in the lineup. Adam Dunn had an OK spring. Edwin (Encarnacion) struggled."

 

I like the start of Encarnacion being thrown under the bus as well.

[javy knows my name]

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"(The starting first baseman) is whoever's playing that day. Joey Votto has a great upside," Baker said. "But Hatteberg had a great spring. We'll go with matchups. (The seven spot) is an important spot in the lineup. Adam Dunn had an OK spring. Edwin (Encarnacion) struggled."

 

I like the start of Encarnacion being thrown under the bus as well.

God it's amazing how many good players the Reds have that Dusty is going to despise because he's Dusty.

[Jon]

When will the laughter turn into concern?

[Vanilla Ice]

I couldn't have seen this coming :grin:

[Bote McBoteface]

Awesome.

[Derwood]

if he benches encarnacion my HR Derby team is sca-rewed

[Vanilla Ice]

if he benches encarnacion my HR Derby team is sca-rewed

 

was he your wildcard? seems like a stretch for anything else. although I do not know too much about him.

[Derwood]

if he benches encarnacion my HR Derby team is sca-rewed

 

was he your wildcard? seems like a stretch for anything else. although I do not know too much about him.

 

yeah, my WC (because I forgot about Hamilton). If he gets the right PT, he could hit 20-25 HR

[Vanilla Ice]

if he benches encarnacion my HR Derby team is sca-rewed

 

was he your wildcard? seems like a stretch for anything else. although I do not know too much about him.

 

yeah, my WC (because I forgot about Hamilton). If he gets the right PT, he could hit 20-25 HR

 

I forgot about Hamilton too. I figured he was in one of the earlier groups

[JimSorgi]

I feel bad for Votto and Bruce.

[Post Count Padder]

Also. what a suprise, Hatteberg and his decent OBP will be at the bottom of the order while speedy Dusty guys Patterson and Keppinger will bat 1-2:

 

Reds manager Dusty Baker confirmed Saturday that Scott Hatteberg would be in the team's Opening Day lineup over Joey Votto.

 

Versus right-hander Brandon Webb, the Reds will use a lineup of: CF Corey Patterson, SS Jeff Keppinger, RF Ken Griffey Jr., 2B Brandon Phillips, LF Adam Dunn, 3B Edwin Encarnacion, 1B Hatteberg and C Javier Valentin.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

[Andy]

Also. what a suprise, Hatteberg and his decent OBP will be at the bottom of the order while speedy Dusty guys Patterson and Keppinger will bat 1-2:

 

Reds manager Dusty Baker confirmed Saturday that Scott Hatteberg would be in the team's Opening Day lineup over Joey Votto.

 

Versus right-hander Brandon Webb, the Reds will use a lineup of: CF Corey Patterson, SS Jeff Keppinger, RF Ken Griffey Jr., 2B Brandon Phillips, LF Adam Dunn, 3B Edwin Encarnacion, 1B Hatteberg and C Javier Valentin.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

Wow, that 2004 Cubs unofficial solo home run record is in jeopardy with that lineup.

 

I love how Dunn hits 5th, which is about as low as one could even remotely put him in a lineup. Dusty really is mentally disabled.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I feel bad for Votto and Bruce.

 

Dont forget Norris Hopper who will be grabbing some bench while C-Patt takes his job.

[javy knows my name]

It's Bruce's job. Who's Norris Hopper?

[Vanilla Ice]

I feel bad for Votto and Bruce.

 

Dont forget Norris Hopper who will be grabbing some bench while C-Patt takes his job.

 

I could be wrong but Hopper isn't very good with the bat

[inari]

I feel bad for Votto and Bruce.

 

Dont forget Norris Hopper who will be grabbing some bench while C-Patt takes his job.

 

I could be wrong but Hopper isn't very good with the bat

 

You're not wrong.

[Kosuke1]

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"(The starting first baseman) is whoever's playing that day. Joey Votto has a great upside," Baker said. "But Hatteberg had a great spring. We'll go with matchups. (The seven spot) is an important spot in the lineup. Adam Dunn had an OK spring. Edwin (Encarnacion) struggled."

 

Dusty Baker's making a plausible decision with Scott Hatteberg, of the Moneyball fame. He hit .310/.394/.474 last season and had a very nice season the year before. Sure he's getting up there in age, but at this point he's not much different than Votto.

[Derwood]

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"(The starting first baseman) is whoever's playing that day. Joey Votto has a great upside," Baker said. "But Hatteberg had a great spring. We'll go with matchups. (The seven spot) is an important spot in the lineup. Adam Dunn had an OK spring. Edwin (Encarnacion) struggled."

 

Dusty Baker's making a plausible decision with Scott Hatteberg, of the Moneyball fame. He hit .310/.394/.474 last season and had a very nice season the year before. Sure he's getting up there in age, but at this point he's not much different than Votto.

 

Hatteberg having a good OBP (ie: Moneyball reference) and Dusty putting him in the lineup are 100% coincidental

[Kosuke1]

Dusty is not that dumb or ignorant. You can play armchair manager and GM all day, but he's not that dumb. He's using his head. Votto and Hatteberg had similar numbers statistics last season, except Votto's were in Triple A. Hatteberg still has some value left in him and Votto's ceiling is Hatteberg.

[Bote McBoteface]

Dusty is not that dumb or ignorant. You can play armchair manager and GM all day, but he's not that dumb. He's using his head. Votto and Hatteberg had similar numbers statistics last season, except Votto's were in Triple A. Hatteberg still has some value left in him and Votto's ceiling is Hatteberg.

 

Votto and Hatteberg would put up similar numbers this year, you're right. The thing is that Hatteberg has no future with the Reds and Votto should be starting over him.

[Keener98]

Dusty is not that dumb or ignorant. You can play armchair manager and GM all day, but he's not that dumb. He's using his head. Votto and Hatteberg had similar numbers statistics last season, except Votto's were in Triple A. Hatteberg still has some value left in him and Votto's ceiling is Hatteberg.

 

 

How can you say hes not that dumb or ignorant? The guy hit Neifi Perez, Jose Macias, Rey Sanchez, and Corey Patterson at leadoff or 2nd during his stint as Cubs manager. He then gets a new job and bats Corey Patterson leadoff again. He most certainly is that dumb and ignorant.

[radarluv1]

do we have to bring up lees 2005 stats again? dominate everywhere except RBIs. even the dumbest broadcasters were bringing up the low obp in front of lee on the air. it was obvious to almost everyone.

[Kosuke1]

Dusty is not that dumb or ignorant. You can play armchair manager and GM all day, but he's not that dumb. He's using his head. Votto and Hatteberg had similar numbers statistics last season, except Votto's were in Triple A. Hatteberg still has some value left in him and Votto's ceiling is Hatteberg.

 

Votto and Hatteberg would put up similar numbers this year, you're right. The thing is that Hatteberg has no future with the Reds and Votto should be starting over him.

 

The Reds are contending mode and they two guys are similar. You can argue either decision. They're both right.

 

Dusty is not that dumb or ignorant. You can play armchair manager and GM all day, but he's not that dumb. He's using his head. Votto and Hatteberg had similar numbers statistics last season, except Votto's were in Triple A. Hatteberg still has some value left in him and Votto's ceiling is Hatteberg.

 

 

How can you say hes not that dumb or ignorant? The guy hit Neifi Perez, Jose Macias, Rey Sanchez, and Corey Patterson at leadoff or 2nd during his stint as Cubs manager. He then gets a new job and bats Corey Patterson leadoff again. He most certainly is that dumb and ignorant.

 

He keeps getting jobs for a reason, and it's not because the people who are hiring him are dumb. Dumb guys don't become GMs. They may not make moves that "statheads" agree with but they make moves based on reasoning that's logically based. They're not dumb.