Re: The Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[Soul]

It's a lot of holes to fill on offense. Not sure if they can fill them all. But, because Grossman is back for another year, they need to fill the holes to Grossman's strengths and hides the Bears weaknesses, which will mostly be on the line. Shorter pass routes and possession receivers and a potential break away running back is what I think it will take to get this team back to the playoffs.

 

Waiting for the big play receivers to get open is Grossman's weakness. He's pathetic sitting in the pocket and he has tunnel vision. With Grossman at QB, you might as well take all the deep routes out of the play book. Heck, Hester might just be the Wesley Welker type receiver the Bears are looking for. He has the elusiveness to get a lot of yards after the catch off of short pass plays.

 

I couldn't disagree more. You can't take deep routes out of the play book and turn Grossman into and dinker and dunker. Grossman's biggest strength is the 15-20 yard pass. And he needs to throw the occasional deep ball as well. What they need is to do a better job blocking. I think the problem is the Bears idea of a passing game was often either throw a bomb or dump it off. They need to work on that intermediate game, but keep the deep game as a threat as well.

 

 

Yea, I was scratching my head on that one too. Take out the deep routes with Grossman in? Huh?

 

I love how when we can't protect the passer, somehow everyone decides it should reflect back on the QB in some way rather than just fixing the actual problem, which is........we can't protect the passer.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yeah, the line should be priority 1. Not saying Orton is going to be our next starting QB but I was pleased with his performance the last couple of games. He looked to have improved a bit from the time he started in his rookie year. I'm starting to think that drafting a QB this year being that it is a weak QB year isn't a great idea. Work on drafting a OTackle, Safety, WR and RB in this year's draft. We can draft a QB next year.

[Soul]

Orton might be better with an improved line too. He's been taught well to dump it off, but he also has a pretty darn strong arm and we really don't even see it anymore.

[BigbadB]

It's a lot of holes to fill on offense. Not sure if they can fill them all. But, because Grossman is back for another year, they need to fill the holes to Grossman's strengths and hides the Bears weaknesses, which will mostly be on the line. Shorter pass routes and possession receivers and a potential break away running back is what I think it will take to get this team back to the playoffs.

 

Waiting for the big play receivers to get open is Grossman's weakness. He's pathetic sitting in the pocket and he has tunnel vision. With Grossman at QB, you might as well take all the deep routes out of the play book. Heck, Hester might just be the Wesley Welker type receiver the Bears are looking for. He has the elusiveness to get a lot of yards after the catch off of short pass plays.

 

I couldn't disagree more. You can't take deep routes out of the play book and turn Grossman into and dinker and dunker. Grossman's biggest strength is the 15-20 yard pass. And he needs to throw the occasional deep ball as well. What they need is to do a better job blocking. I think the problem is the Bears idea of a passing game was often either throw a bomb or dump it off. They need to work on that intermediate game, but keep the deep game as a threat as well.

 

 

Yea, I was scratching my head on that one too. Take out the deep routes with Grossman in? Huh?

 

Scratch your head all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Grossman is horrible in the pocket. He hears footsteps when there aren't any footsteps around, and that's because the line has been very inadequate since the first time he stepped into a huddle in a Bears jersey. He telegraphs just about everything he does. Each play there is a set primary receiver and he rarely ever looks away from his primary receiver. That's where his tunnel vision comes from. Teams figured out how to stop the long pass by pressuring the QB more and and playing looser on Berrian and not letting him get behind the defense.

 

Taking the deep routes out of the playbook was only a figure of speech. Grossman just isn't very good dropping back into the pocket. He's clueless when it comes to stepping forward in the pocket. A lot of that is because of the weak offensive line. And when I said they need to work on the short game, I was referring to short and intermediate pass plays, which includes the 10-15 yard pass plays.

 

Anything to prevent him from standing there waiting for long pass routes to develop.

[BigbadB]

It's a lot of holes to fill on offense. Not sure if they can fill them all. But, because Grossman is back for another year, they need to fill the holes to Grossman's strengths and hides the Bears weaknesses, which will mostly be on the line. Shorter pass routes and possession receivers and a potential break away running back is what I think it will take to get this team back to the playoffs.

 

Waiting for the big play receivers to get open is Grossman's weakness. He's pathetic sitting in the pocket and he has tunnel vision. With Grossman at QB, you might as well take all the deep routes out of the play book. Heck, Hester might just be the Wesley Welker type receiver the Bears are looking for. He has the elusiveness to get a lot of yards after the catch off of short pass plays.

 

I couldn't disagree more. You can't take deep routes out of the play book and turn Grossman into and dinker and dunker. Grossman's biggest strength is the 15-20 yard pass. And he needs to throw the occasional deep ball as well. What they need is to do a better job blocking. I think the problem is the Bears idea of a passing game was often either throw a bomb or dump it off. They need to work on that intermediate game, but keep the deep game as a threat as well.

 

 

Yea, I was scratching my head on that one too. Take out the deep routes with Grossman in? Huh?

 

I love how when we can't protect the passer, somehow everyone decides it should reflect back on the QB in some way rather than just fixing the actual problem, which is........we can't protect the passer.

 

When the line can't protect the quarterback, it's time to look for plays that give the QB shorter periods of time holding the ball. The line problems didn't just develop overnight. It's been a continuous problem. And Rex plays the QB position like a deer caught in the headlights.

 

I like Rex to a degree. He just needs time to throw and he needs to feel like he has time to throw, and until he has time to throw, he's just not going to be a good quarterback.

[RedFlash]

If both stud OT's are off the board(Clady, Williams) and Mendenhall is still on it, who should the Bears take besides Rashard?

 

Otah.

Or maybe Brohm?

 

No. I much rather consider either Chad Henne or Joe Flacco in the 2nd rd then take Brian Brohm in the 1st.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's a lot of holes to fill on offense. Not sure if they can fill them all. But, because Grossman is back for another year, they need to fill the holes to Grossman's strengths and hides the Bears weaknesses, which will mostly be on the line. Shorter pass routes and possession receivers and a potential break away running back is what I think it will take to get this team back to the playoffs.

 

Waiting for the big play receivers to get open is Grossman's weakness. He's pathetic sitting in the pocket and he has tunnel vision. With Grossman at QB, you might as well take all the deep routes out of the play book. Heck, Hester might just be the Wesley Welker type receiver the Bears are looking for. He has the elusiveness to get a lot of yards after the catch off of short pass plays.

 

I couldn't disagree more. You can't take deep routes out of the play book and turn Grossman into and dinker and dunker. Grossman's biggest strength is the 15-20 yard pass. And he needs to throw the occasional deep ball as well. What they need is to do a better job blocking. I think the problem is the Bears idea of a passing game was often either throw a bomb or dump it off. They need to work on that intermediate game, but keep the deep game as a threat as well.

 

 

Yea, I was scratching my head on that one too. Take out the deep routes with Grossman in? Huh?

 

I love how when we can't protect the passer, somehow everyone decides it should reflect back on the QB in some way rather than just fixing the actual problem, which is........we can't protect the passer.

 

When the line can't protect the quarterback, it's time to look for plays that give the QB shorter periods of time holding the ball. The line problems didn't just develop overnight. It's been a continuous problem. And Rex plays the QB position like a deer caught in the headlights.

 

I like Rex to a degree. He just needs time to throw and he needs to feel like he has time to throw, and until he has time to throw, he's just not going to be a good quarterback.

 

That's an adjustment you make mid-game, or maybe mid-season, not in the offseason. The goal should be to develop an offense that allows Rex to throw deep, intermediate and short routes, and to provide the necessary blocking. This is one potential benefit of more 2 TE sets. It allows you to keep in a 6th lineman at times, or set up situations where the TE chips and gets into the route a little late.

[RynoRules]

If both stud OT's are off the board(Clady, Williams) and Mendenhall is still on it, who should the Bears take besides Rashard?

 

Otah.

Or maybe Brohm?

 

No. I much rather consider either Chad Henne or Joe Flacco in the 2nd rd then take Brian Brohm in the 1st.

 

I am a Michigan fan, and I say:

 

Dear G-d not Henne. Please not Henne.

[Soul]

If both stud OT's are off the board(Clady, Williams) and Mendenhall is still on it, who should the Bears take besides Rashard?

 

Otah.

Or maybe Brohm?

 

No. I much rather consider either Chad Henne or Joe Flacco in the 2nd rd then take Brian Brohm in the 1st.

 

I am a Michigan fan, and I say:

 

Dear G-d not Henne. Please not Henne.

 

Huh? I think Henne's got a chance to be the best QB from Michigan in a long time. Sure as hell better than Navarre.

[Derwood]

If both stud OT's are off the board(Clady, Williams) and Mendenhall is still on it, who should the Bears take besides Rashard?

 

Otah.

Or maybe Brohm?

 

No. I much rather consider either Chad Henne or Joe Flacco in the 2nd rd then take Brian Brohm in the 1st.

 

I am a Michigan fan, and I say:

 

Dear G-d not Henne. Please not Henne.

 

Huh? I think Henne's got a chance to be the best QB from Michigan in a long time. Sure as hell better than Navarre.

 

best at Michigan or best michigan QB in the NFL?

[CubColtPacer]

If both stud OT's are off the board(Clady, Williams) and Mendenhall is still on it, who should the Bears take besides Rashard?

 

Otah.

Or maybe Brohm?

 

No. I much rather consider either Chad Henne or Joe Flacco in the 2nd rd then take Brian Brohm in the 1st.

 

I am a Michigan fan, and I say:

 

Dear G-d not Henne. Please not Henne.

 

Huh? I think Henne's got a chance to be the best QB from Michigan in a long time. Sure as hell better than Navarre.

 

I think he's going to have to be pretty good to be the best QB from Michigan in the last 10 years. There's 1 guy in the league who you know they say is all right :D

 

I personally wouldn't want Henne. Questionable decision maker, and has good but not great tools to back that up. Michigan fans know quite well about his 1 or 2 just horrific decisions per game that really cost the Wolverines the last couple of years.

[Soul]

If both stud OT's are off the board(Clady, Williams) and Mendenhall is still on it, who should the Bears take besides Rashard?

 

Otah.

Or maybe Brohm?

 

No. I much rather consider either Chad Henne or Joe Flacco in the 2nd rd then take Brian Brohm in the 1st.

 

I am a Michigan fan, and I say:

 

Dear G-d not Henne. Please not Henne.

 

Huh? I think Henne's got a chance to be the best QB from Michigan in a long time. Sure as hell better than Navarre.

 

I think he's going to have to be pretty good to be the best QB from Michigan in the last 10 years. There's 1 guy in the league who you know they say is all right :D

 

I personally wouldn't want Henne. Questionable decision maker, and has good but not great tools to back that up. Michigan fans know quite well about his 1 or 2 just horrific decisions per game that really cost the Wolverines the last couple of years.

 

He's got decent tools. Certainly has a good enough arm. Good height.

 

Questionable decision-maker? How do you quantify that? Every QB makes bad mistakes in college. I've also seen him bring the Wolverines back in games too.

 

Obviously I don't expect him to be as good as Brady. There happens to be quite a bit of latitude between Brady, being a pretty good NFL QB, and then being a bad one.

 

I'd pick up Henne in the 3rd, maybe late late 2nd. I'm not suggesting the Bears do this, but in general.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I've heard a few scouts say they think Henne could be the best QB to come from Michigan since Brady.

[bukie]

I've heard a few scouts say they think Henne could be the best QB to come from Michigan since Brady.

 

So...better than Drew Henson and John Navarre....

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Drew Henson should have been a stud..lol

[Soul]

He might have been better if he didn't have delusions of being a MLB star.

[CubColtPacer]

I've heard a few scouts say they think Henne could be the best QB to come from Michigan since Brady.

 

I would agree with that. Then again, that only means that Henne is better than Navarre or Henson. I would say Henne and Henson would have been comparable if Henson hadn't went and played baseball.

 

I think Henne could become a pretty good backup or a fringe starter, but that's about it. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, we'll see.

 

As for being a poor decision maker, I can't really quantify it without going through the tape. Henne became rather infamous for it throughout his 4 years at Michigan though. He never had much of a sense for game situation when he went back to pass, and he threw some horrible passes that let teams back in ballgames. And yes, every college QB did that, but Henne did it consistently and got quite the reputation for it. I'm not saying Henne is a poor decision maker all game (in fact I think he's pretty good for most of the game), but I believe those unnecessary turnovers will kill him at the next level.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Well as long as the Bears stay away from Woodson and Colt Brennan(pukes), that's all I care about.

[jersey cubs fan]

As for being a poor decision maker, I can't really quantify it without going through the tape. Henne became rather infamous for it throughout his 4 years at Michigan though. He never had much of a sense for game situation when he went back to pass, and he threw some horrible passes that let teams back in ballgames. And yes, every college QB did that, but Henne did it consistently and got quite the reputation for it. I'm not saying Henne is a poor decision maker all game (in fact I think he's pretty good for most of the game), but I believe those unnecessary turnovers will kill him at the next level.

 

I have the same opinion. Going into this past season I thought Henne had a chance to be a futrue Bear, and I watched him from time to time. He is such an idiot. Holding onto the ball and taking sacks that move his team out of scoring position. Not throwing the ball away. Forcing passes into coverage. It's hard to quantify, but I remember watching multiple games and thinking the guy is just a moron. I'm not opposed to getting him in the middle of the draft as a project, but all this hype that has him moving up draft boards makes me even less interested. If they take him in the 2nd I think I'll be upset.

[WrigleyField 22]

What is the rundown of all our picks this year?

 

We have an extra third rounder don't we?

 

I'd like to see something along the lines of:

1- OT/WR

2- WR/OT

3- S/QB

3- QB/S

4- OG/C

5-7- BPA

 

As far as RB, hopefully we can find a guy off the FA bargain bin, maybe someone who is an injury risk or is a cap casualty from another team. Then you just let him, Benson, and Peterson duke it out and compete. I'd really only want to draft a RB after round 1 if someone falls.

[bukie]

I'd like to see something along the lines of

 

1 - BPA

2 - BPA

3a/3b - OL/RB/DL/LB depending on what was addressed in earlier rounds

4 - WR

5-7 - BPA

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

1) BPA

2) BPA

3) BPA

3) BPA

4) BPA

5) BPA

6) BPA

7) BPA

[jersey cubs fan]

best player available is far too subjective a concept, and positional need is far too real a concept in football that it's impossible to simply take the best player available.

[bukie]

best player available is far too subjective a concept, and positional need is far too real a concept in football that it's impossible to simply take the best player available.

 

But, for the most part, the positional need for the Bears is varied enough that any position could be significantly upgraded with the #14 pick. Even in the second round. Essentially, the only positions where the Bears are set for the reasonable future is LB and special teams.

[Soul]

Who is deciding who the best player available is, and is his judgement good?

 

That's the problem I have with BPA.